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@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!


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#21 Jalaguy

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 03:13 PM

Of what I've played, I enjoyed FOC and ROTF the most. I always see people saying FOC is worse than WFC, and that confuses me a lot. WFC was... longer, I guess?

 
For me, one of my favorite parts of WFC was the three-man team setup, which gave you a little more flexibility with who you got to play and how the level unfolded, but much more importantly gave the whole game a much more interesting, character-driven, cooperative feel, and one which FOC only really replicated on that great Cliffjumper/Jazz level.


Yeah, that's fair. What pushed FOC ahead for me was the fact that the fixed characters meant they could work the special abilities into the level design, so that you got a bit more gameplay variety in each stage.

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:22 PM

WfC felt like the end of peace.

A war, perhaps?

FoC felt like the end of a world.

Its fall, perhaps?

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:54 PM

... Yeeeess... one might say that.

 

Well at least no one can say they're not well named.



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:38 PM

 

 

 

Still the worst designs ever.

There was an Animated game?
Actually there was for the DS
You should tell Blot then, because thats the game hes thinking of :p

 

I may not like the aesthetic of Animated, but the designs are solid.  One day we will have a toy that properly captures the bulk that is Lugnut's perfect design.

 

The nicest thing I can say about High Moon's style is it looks like Dreamwave Transformers mixed with Tron.



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 06:16 PM

I don't really separate WfC and FoC in my head, they're just kind of One Thing, being followed around by Bollocks of the Dark Spark or whatever, which wishes it was part of the gang but REALLY ISN'T


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:35 PM

I don't really separate WfC and FoC in my head, they're just kind of One Thing, being followed around by Bollocks of the Dark Spark or whatever, which wishes it was part of the gang but REALLY ISN'T

 
Dark Spark, eh? More like, Bad Spark.

Actually, nah, that's still too good of a title. How about "Lackadaisical Spark"?


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#27 unluckiness

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 03:17 AM

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 03:36 AM

I didn't remember Rise of the Dark Spark being all that bad the first time, but I went back to it recently immediately after replaying War for Cybertron and

oh no

oh noooooooo

 


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 07:45 AM

I enjoyed Dark Spark, but that was because i was craving more WFC/FOC games. 


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 09:04 AM

Agreed. The The Last Knight sections weren't too bad, but I didn't have as much interest in those.



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 10:06 AM

I haven't replayed Dark Spark since I was messing around with wiki pages for the record log characters, but I remember liking it just fine and not knowing what everyone was complaining about. The AOE parts felt a little less polished, especially levelwise, but otherwise I enjoyed myself. Plus: more Insecticons!



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:04 PM

It was just a rehash made literally almost exclusively from pre-existing assets with far less sophisticated game design than any of previous games. Also, the changes they made to Escalation made it a barely-playable mess. And... I think they took out the PVP multiplayer entirely? Am I misremembering that?


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#33 LV!

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:46 PM

I didn't find Escalation unplayable at all. I believe they did remove PVP, but I can't be sure, because PVP is bullshit and I never care about it.



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:53 PM

FoC you could use it to build your own characters. Or pre-existing ones.

 

Which was fun.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 03:08 PM

It got even funner if you had it on PC and hacked the ini. Unfortunately, that also enabled awful, game-destroying cheating.


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 06:11 AM

Yeah, Dark Spark was... okay. It wasn't RotF good - still my high mark for TF games - but it wasn't the 2007 movie bad. It's below the Cybertron games for sure, but I'd put it about even with DotM - competent, but missing something at every step.



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Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:45 PM

Really loved these games (much more than Devastation) and I have a hankering to play them again, but I already owned them on Xbox 360 so I never bought the Steam versions  (They never went on sale for cheap enough) and then the rights expired and they're lost to the either.  I hope the rights can be figured out one day so they can show up on Xbox One Backwards Compatibility and I can play them again, because I can't be bothered to haul out my 360.


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 09:00 PM

I managed to get them on Steam some time ago, but have barely played them. (Aside: The one time I really did, I was playing Thundercracker in one level, and had a moment saying to myself, "I wonder if Thundercracker will remember he turns into a jet and can fly? 8^)

 

Anyway, question for people who have played them: Would you recommend playing with keyboard/mouse, or gamepad?


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Posted 03 July 2018 - 04:32 PM

Absolutely gamepad. That's what the control scheme was designed for.


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Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:02 AM

Happy 10 years to Transformers: War for Cybertron!

 

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