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@  Bass X0 : (24 June 2018 - 03:10 AM)

I just realised that Unsolved Mysteries has the same initials as Ultra Magnus.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (22 June 2018 - 05:18 AM)

Yeah, really... what a shitshow.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2018 - 04:53 AM)

This week has been an almost unmitigated damn nightmare. It can go die in some metaphorical trash fire where it belongs.

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2018 - 04:48 AM)

I feel your pain.

@  Whirl Maximus : (22 June 2018 - 04:47 AM)

This time ten years ago I was looking forward to Transformers 2.

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2018 - 01:41 AM)

There's room enough for five more cabinets.

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2018 - 01:41 AM)

Once I've settled in and earned money again, I can start with the third wall.

@  Plokatron : (21 June 2018 - 10:05 PM)

I'm still working on my comic just been trying to start up a Custom Lego shop. Won't be too long but I'm still here.

@  Dracula : (21 June 2018 - 10:02 PM)

(really though, great display)

@  Dracula : (21 June 2018 - 10:02 PM)

you're gonna have a buildup of dinosaur electrons.

@  Dracula : (21 June 2018 - 10:01 PM)

he needs his dino-breathing room! :D

@  Dracula : (21 June 2018 - 10:01 PM)

Trypticon looks a bit cramped in there, nevermore!

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2018 - 05:54 PM)

Sad thing is we've thought more about the foam than the show writers ever did. :D

@  Nevermore : (21 June 2018 - 05:47 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (21 June 2018 - 05:47 PM)

Current status of my collection room in my new, still-under-construction apartment:

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Depends on whether or not the motive engines for the vehicle mode are the same as the robot mode. Cause we know they use energon for everything.

@  Bass X0 : (21 June 2018 - 05:17 PM)

I was thinking today if Transformers would carry the fuel for their alternate mode in their robot mode? They'd have to, right?

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 June 2018 - 01:28 PM)

I mean, the clear meta reason is so non-Transformers don't die horribly on their ships, but that's not as fun to speculate about.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2018 - 10:43 AM)

There's also lots of chemical reactions which only precipite with oxygen.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2018 - 09:27 AM)

Oxygen is obviously a native gas on cybertron and also let’s the equipment “breath” so to speak.

@  Cybersnark : (21 June 2018 - 08:47 AM)

@Wonko; Yeah, but why oxygen? There are a lot of non-flammable gasses they could've used. And we've seen TFs using radio to communicate in vacuum.

@  Robowang : (21 June 2018 - 08:29 AM)

As the Cream of Wheat glugged forth from his meatus, his mind focused on only one thing: Mommy loved him so.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2018 - 08:17 AM)

there's lots you can't do in vaccuum. The least of which is audio communication.

@  Cybersnark : (21 June 2018 - 08:04 AM)

Though that begs the question of why a robotic species would keep their ships pressurized with oxygen in the first place.

@  Pennpenn : (21 June 2018 - 07:29 AM)

Guess it's just me playing FTL recently. Opening a few doors out to the void is a good way to deal with fires and rude visitors.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2018 - 07:14 AM)

Plus it depends on what part of the ship, can’t easily vent an interior area.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 June 2018 - 06:34 AM)

depends on what's wrong. If you need to get something out and away, would also need to have started in a pressurised space to begin with. If you just want to vent extra heat: it wouldn't work as well as vaccuum is an insulator.

@  Pennpenn : (21 June 2018 - 03:12 AM)

If they're in space wouldn't it make more sense just to vent the area affected to vacuum?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2018 - 07:16 PM)

I mean the foam was dangerous, but in space they probably put out the fires, then wore the equivalent of a hazmat suit to clean up.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 04:38 PM)

Only on special occassions.

@  Paladin : (20 June 2018 - 03:50 PM)

you don't?

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 02:17 PM)

I mean, we don't usually use asbestos on our souls.....

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2018 - 10:11 AM)

*looks at asbestos" Yep... Cause we've never used something harmful as a fire retardant. x.x;

@  unluckiness : (20 June 2018 - 06:32 AM)

fire retardant foam is so powerful it can extinguish even sparks

@  Pennpenn : (20 June 2018 - 05:23 AM)

I mean, this is a species that can be disabled (possibly fatally after a while?) by flame retardant foam, so yeah.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2018 - 01:28 AM)

Transformers are exactly as resilient as the plot needs them to be, so who knows, it could be lethal today.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 June 2018 - 08:50 PM)

Which is why Marvel Megatron was interested in Dr. Biggles-Jones' railgun design and had it grafted onto his G2 tank mode.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 08:43 PM)

Doesn't really matter what transformers are made of. If you send a 10 pound ball of metal flying at a good enough velocity, you will do damage.

@  Soft Snow : (19 June 2018 - 05:53 PM)

A regular cannon that shoots cannon balls and does nothing to other transformers because they are robots but would put a mean whole in the side of your wooden boat...

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

wtf did the shoutbox do to my emoji

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

also @ patchy its whatever your heart desires 😘

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM)

shes not a drill but she is a grill

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 June 2018 - 05:40 PM)

POTP CINDERSAUR IS A GIRL THIS IS NOT A DRILL

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 June 2018 - 05:18 PM)

A fusion cannon, or just a regular cannon?

@  Shiny Chariot : (19 June 2018 - 05:04 PM)

megatron but he turns into a ford fusion with a cannon badly welded onto the roof

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 June 2018 - 02:22 PM)

My Little Fusion Cannon: Friendship Through Tyranny.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 June 2018 - 02:01 PM)

was that supposed to sound sexual

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 01:55 PM)

I'm pretty sure that megatrons cannon is his best friend, so that friendship is magic stuff won't work.

@  MEDdMI : (19 June 2018 - 01:16 PM)

And then the magic ponies force everyone to be friends FOREVERRRRRRR

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2018 - 12:06 PM)

Or... megatron just goes to war against skynet cause he can't stand the competition.


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#1 Jalaguy

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 12:34 AM

Discuss the issue here!

#2 Master Fwiffo

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:58 AM

Welp quest over. Yay?

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:00 AM

And then Hound was a zombie.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:01 AM

So Nightbeat just straight up died, I guess.


 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:05 AM

Chris McFeely said on Twitter that this issue was very Red Dwarf like, and he's correct. Red Dwarf often liked something to turn out to be a fairly innocuous thing from the past gone horribly wrong through abandonment. That things could be more and in some ways less than they seem.

 

And we shouldn't be surprised really, this is the writer of Eugenesis, and it goes down a very similar ideological path - that your religion is probably just something mundane that has been horribly misunderstood. That some of the trappings of it are quite simple and have been deified by time and myth. MTMTE has always borrowed quite a bit from Eugenesis. Maybe we shouldn't have assumed it would always take more. And I like that.

 

There's a lot to like here. There's some movement, and some resolution. Some worldbuilding. And lots still to do. While a key mystery is resolved there's still lots going on, and important stuff to tie up. There's some nice character moments too.

 

On a neutral level I expect some people to hate the Tailgate piece. And if it's not explained later on, I'd hate it too. But I trust it will get a better explanation than "power of love, don't look too hard". Some people will probably compare this to Starbuck in Battlestar, but this isn't really compatible (and Starbuck IS explained, people just don't like the explanation. It's also bittersweet, and not a happy ending out of nowhere).

 

I name drop for Tyrest means he's probably coming back in the next few issues, which is great. But not mentioning him for yonks and then bringing him up all of a sudden just before his reappearance does feel a bit off pacing wise. All these things we've lost since the page count reduction. Sigh.

 

The minus side, for what is essentially the closure off of the key plot of the book it's *very* tell don't show. It's a pile of exposition, without even a villain or anything to drive the reveal. And it all comes at once. It's obvious that Roberts got sick of people guessing the twists on message boards in Season 1, but he retreated to giving less hints as a result and that's just no damned fun to actually read because it feels like resolutions come out of nowhere. This would have all felt a bit more natural if a few bits had been dropped previously. Some of this is no doubt because the series is being wrapped up a season early (using Roberts' oft cited "shortcut"), but even then it's another piece where this run of books has been hurt over last few years by IDW's editorial meddling with the renaming mess and the early cancellation. Which seems in part to have been caused by the dropping sales from the renaming mess.

 

And I'm afraid I've got to say that again the art lets this issue down. I feel like the plunge from space towards Mederi should be this grand vista. This is a hugely important moment. Instead it looks like they're floating towards a beach ball with a supermarket logo on it :-/



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:03 AM

Well that was interesting. I spent most of the issue thinking "okay this isn't one of the baaad issues, the flirty banter is fun and there's nothing too obnoxious happening" and then bam! We suddenly found the thing by accident and achieved the whole purpose of the original journey?

If it's not another classic Roberts fakeout bullshit, then... I think I'm okay with it. It's a cool low-key resolution to the Knights story and it makes more sense than a lot of other possible conclusions.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:10 AM

Turns out the real Cybertopia was the friends we made along the way.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:13 AM

So, about the last page...

Spoiler



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:18 AM

I think maybe the idea is that Getaway and company also flew to Mederi?

 

 

....... and maybe their secret dream was to become sparkeaters?


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:20 AM

This issue was... I dunno. It wasn't at all bad, definitely not disappointing in the way that lots of Lost Light's story endings have been for me, but it didn't really have a huge impact on me either.

The big revelation only really got a "huh, interesting" out of me. It's a cool sci-fi concept, no doubt, but the lack of connection to anything that's come before and the fact that it was delivered with a Remain-in-Light-tier "everyone sits in a room explaining the plot to each other" sequence kinda took the oomph out of it for me?

Like a bunch of stuff that's happened since the LL relaunch, I guess I have to say "well, he's probably going somewhere with this" and put my initial reaction to one side for the time being.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:32 AM

So, about the last page...

Spoiler

 

To be honest...

 

Spoiler



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:44 AM

My first thought on the ending, especially given the matching pair of Roche covers for next issue, is that we're seeing a "both sides are tricked into seeing the other side as something scary" scenario.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:46 AM

I think maybe the idea is that Getaway and company also flew to Mederi?
 
 
....... and maybe their secret dream was to become sparkeaters?

Maybe Getaway started twirling his mustache even harder and turned everyone he didn't like into sparkeaters.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:52 AM

I feel a bit underwhelmed by the reveal, such as it is. But looking back, I'm not sure how I expected to feel. I think I wanted the buildup of 6 years' worth of stories to combine into some kind of mega-epiphany. I mean, I was looking for an Enigma-of-Combination-style epiphany.

 

What I got was an explanation that basically makes sense. As I read it, I was doing a tentative nod, thinking "ehhh yeah okay sure." But it was a far cry from "whoa that senator was Shockwave!?" and "whoa Rodimus helped secretly stash Overlord in the Lost Light!?" It was more like "Okay we know Tarn is Roller. Oh wait he's that guy instead? Ah k."

 

Also, with the degree of exposition to explain the reveal, I'm less convinced that the remaining outstanding questions (including: Ratchet fading out? Ten could speak? Tailgate is actually here somehow? Did Scorponok, Getaway, and Rodimus all converge onto the same Mederi?) are going to be "show don't tell".

 

I am looking forward to Pharma being in charge of a murderous medical facility though. And the banter was funny.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:53 AM

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure that this is going to be the real truth behind Cyberutopia; it all seems a little TOO neatly tied up...
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:05 AM

So, about the last page...

Spoiler

 
To be honest...
 
Spoiler

All plausible! It's just the line "anything but them" that made me think otherwise - Rodimus is outright stating that this is the Worst Possible Scenario.

#17 Chris McFeely

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:17 AM

I'd swear that line, "Not them, please, anything but them!" is a direct quote from something (with the pronouns changed) but I can't place it.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:24 AM

I really liked Whirl's small character bit of defending Cyclonus, but god willing there had better be an actual explanation for why Tailgate came back. I like the guy (no duh) but that doesn't mean I want the story to  break its spine to give him a happy ending.

 

Otherwise I'm guessing a lot of the reveals in this issue are predicated on having read the other IDW Transformers comics because I was lost.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:29 AM

Well, in any case, we still don't know who Scorponok's boss is.

 

Or what grabbed Pharma's body.

 

I do suspect this end of the quest is the "break in case of emergency" Roberts has been holding onto for years though. Not that this is rushed, but that it's an ending he worked out ages ago and is easy to slot in to end the story if need be.


I really liked Whirl's small character bit of defending Cyclonus, but god willing there had better be an actual explanation for why Tailgate came back. I like the guy (no duh) but that doesn't mean I want the story to  break its spine to give him a happy ending.

 

Otherwise I'm guessing a lot of the reveals in this issue are predicated on having read the other IDW Transformers comics because I was lost.

Not so much? Optimus Prime is doing its own thing with the Primes and setting up Unicron right now.

 

Roberts actually tweeted last night too that LL isn't tying in with that story, but is its own finale.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:46 AM

Some of this is no doubt because the series is being wrapped up a season early (using Roberts' oft cited "shortcut")

 

I have to say I think any notion that this is happening "early" or via the cited "shortcut" is blowing things greatly out of proportion. The "shortcut" was for if the hammer dropped suddenly with little time to go, whereas it seems very unlikely either Barber or Roberts entered their third seasons with the belief they would be getting a fourth. Season three/Lost Light essentially set itself on course for this ending as soon as it went out of its way to introduce characters tied to the Grand Architect on the first page of its first issue and everything it's been doing since then has been building to this point.


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