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@  Waspinator : (17 December 2018 - 12:29 AM)

I'd say it's more of a crushing sensation than a sucking one.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 December 2018 - 09:57 PM)

Whole heartedly agree.

@  Paladin : (16 December 2018 - 07:22 PM)

migraines suck.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2018 - 04:39 PM)

They may have had it earlier than that; Risa uses weather control tech to maintain its resort-style climate, and it was shown to already be established in the late 22nd century

@  wonko the sane? : (16 December 2018 - 03:13 PM)

By next gen they had weather control on earth, and were even in the process of upgrading the geologic stability network. So yeah: habitat maintenance on the next level.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 December 2018 - 02:51 PM)

Something something invert polarity something technobabble something.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2018 - 02:38 PM)

I imagine World War III managed to decimate enough of the industrial economies that they inadvertently managed to exceed their carbon reduction targets from the Paris Accords, and then by the time Earth got back on its feet after the development of warp drive and first contact with the Vulcans, electricity was able to be generated cleanly and much more efficiently

@  The Doctor Who : (16 December 2018 - 01:48 PM)

I mean, they have futuristic weather control satellites and everything, I would imagine that global warming is a thing of the past in Trek.

@  unluckiness : (16 December 2018 - 09:39 AM)

How's that unrealistic? Not even the ocean wants it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 December 2018 - 01:35 AM)

The most unrealistic thing (from a U.S. perspective) is that Florida isn't underwater!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 December 2018 - 01:35 AM)

I was reminded today of a funny thing about Star Trek:

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 09:58 PM)

Whatever they can sell it for?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 December 2018 - 09:48 PM)

Geez, WTF do those China sellers on eBay need my phone number for?

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 09:44 PM)

Does the PotP voyager Starscream's chest stick out so far in combiner torso mode? It's kinda weird how much Elita Infinite's back seems so empty up top but very... protruding lower down.

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 01:26 AM)

Trying to fit Elita One's combiner head back into her torso is a pain in the arse (and not just because her torso becomes her arse in combiner torso mode)

@  RichardT1977 : (14 December 2018 - 10:04 PM)

Power corrupts and corruption empowers.

@  Echowarrior : (14 December 2018 - 07:10 PM)

Welcome to real life...at least until enough people get fed up and they break out the guillotines.

@  Pennpenn : (14 December 2018 - 06:58 PM)

It's almost as if the people with the most money have funneled money into making the systems of government and law serve their purposes in retaining their wealth, no matter how harmful, counterintuitive, or just flat out evil they have to be. Huh.

@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:49 PM)


@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:45 PM)

Some states have laws against that, but they're in a tiny minority. There are plenty of cases where rich people have gone after journalists and their employers for accurate reporting, lost, but still left their targets saddled with hundreds of thousands ofdollars in legal fees and no hope of recovering anyof the money because a partisan judge has decreed that while they're innocent, they're not innocent enough.

@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:43 PM)

The american system is as bad, there are plenty of cases of billionaires or corporations filing libel suits purely to kill reporting or activisim against their activities. SLAPP suits. Strategic Lawsuits against public participation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 December 2018 - 12:48 PM)

e.g. British libel laws place the burden of proof on the accuser, which is how we wind up with Emirati billionaires suing Western journalists in British courts

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 December 2018 - 12:46 PM)

Never visited the UK in my life, but reading about British laws in the news gives me the vibe that British culture inherently protects the wealthy and established.

@  Anonymous X : (14 December 2018 - 12:39 PM)

Sounds a lot better than labour law in the UK. It's bare minimum standards here, you don't get any employment rights as such in the first two years of employment (and the employer can arbitrarily reset the clock). Unions are limited to a few public sector professions as well; in the private sector, there basically aren't any unions.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:25 PM)

Bonus points if your company has a works council. The employer is required by law to hear the works council prior to giving you your termination. The works council cannot prevent your termination if the employer really insists on going through with it, but if the employer failed to hear the works council, didn't wait for the works council to respond, or failed to tell the works council *all* the relevant details, the termination is legally invalid due to a technicality.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:23 PM)

The employer has to tell you the reason for your termination if you explicitly ask for it, and if you can prove the reason is factually incorrect, the employer may lose the case.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:21 PM)

For all its flaws, I really like a lot about our German labor law. Here, if you're under a permanent contract and have been continually employed for over six months, employers can only fire you for reasons that fall into one of three categories defined by law, and the burden of proof is on the employer's side in a potential court case.

@  Paladin : (13 December 2018 - 05:38 PM)

in brightest day or blackest night?

@  Bass X0 : (13 December 2018 - 05:25 PM)

Finally we get a Greenlight toy.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 December 2018 - 04:58 PM)

See.. In America they would just fire you for having the wrong color shoes on or some BS reason.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:13 AM)

And hey, in addition to the clocked extra hours, I earned an additional 50% overtime bonus.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:12 AM)

This past Saturday, in full expectance of a strike this week, I worked a full extra shift. They assigned me and some of the other volunteers to a totally pointless task, while some ladies were seriously sweeping the floor. When asked how long I was planning to stay, I smiled and said "a full shift!"

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:10 AM)

"You were asking for volunteers, right? I'm staying." - "But we have no more work for you!" - "I don't see how that's *my* problem..."

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:10 AM)

It's possible to use that to troll the employer a little, though... Once they allow voluntary overtime, they cannot backtrack from that. So once you notice you're rapidly running out of work, you just decide to do overtime out of spite.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:08 AM)

Now if there's *no* strike... people eventually run out of work.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:07 AM)

Amazon is prepared for strikes... they just hire way too many people for the Christmas season. If there's a strike, they still have enough (albeit inexperienced) workers.

@  Steevy Maximus : (12 December 2018 - 07:49 PM)

Not one bit :p

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (12 December 2018 - 06:46 PM)

@Steevy Did you read TM2's post? "Amazon.de".

@  Paladin : (12 December 2018 - 06:37 PM)

just wait until the European economy collapses up its Brexit-shaped asshole.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 December 2018 - 06:22 PM)

Probably not a ton of people, no. Although I'd say I order from one European Amazon site once every month or two, myself. Usually UK, but sometimes Germany as well. France and Italy a couple times, too. There are some good Blu-Ray releases that are exclusive to Europe

@  Steevy Maximus : (12 December 2018 - 06:00 PM)

I'm not sure a European strike is going to impact North American customers.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 December 2018 - 04:13 PM)

Well, somebody must've been working 'cuz I had an order in with Amazon.de that got shipped out the other day

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@  Nevermore : (11 December 2018 - 08:22 PM)

Also, strike has been extended. So no working for 50 minutes. Would have been fun, though.

@  Nevermore : (11 December 2018 - 08:21 PM)

I said numerous times already that I work at that big American corporation that begins with "A".

@  Waspinator : (11 December 2018 - 07:21 PM)

Preferably the equivalent of Lara Croft or Indiana Jones a thousand years from now

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 December 2018 - 02:26 PM)

The turkeys... The answer is always the Turkeys.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 December 2018 - 02:05 PM)

Who would be the heroes in this situation?

@  Waspinator : (11 December 2018 - 02:03 PM)

When I die, I want my body to be part of a puzzle solution. Like, have my skeleton pointing at the clue the heroes are supposed to find.

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Isn't this Illegal?

Time Off PTO Illegal

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#1 Kayeon

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:31 PM

Soo..... My boss has the schedule set up to where no one is allowed to request PTO for 3 and a half months because some girl is going to be on maternity leave. Isn't it illegal for her to take our Paid time off away for over 3 months? She's doing this to everyone in the office not just me.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:33 PM

I don't think your job is required to give you PTO.  It may be a contract violation, but I don't think it is illegal.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:41 PM

You can check your local laws on the issue, but the US and most states within have no guaranteed PTO requirements.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:44 PM

I mean, it should be, but...

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:48 PM

It doesn't sound like she's "taking it away", so much as she's refusing to grant use of it. IE, no vacations for anyone until this other person returns from maternity leave.  However, if your PTO follows similar rules as mine, you should still me accruing it as you've always done.


I think there's a distinction to be made in that.  As far as "legality"...probably not illegal, though you could argue with higher management whether it violates any parts of your employment contract.

Edited by Steevy Maximus, 12 June 2018 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:07 PM

That is illegal for not giving anyone to have their leave within 3 months?

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:40 PM

So basically she's just screwing us, but nothing illegal is being done....

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Edited by Kayeon, 12 June 2018 - 08:41 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:13 PM

So my next question is, if you guys were in this situation would you start looking for another job or would you tough it out for 3 and a half months?
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:29 PM

So my next question is, if you guys were in this situation would you start looking for another job or would you tough it out for 3 and a half months?

If you have never had time off black outs I feel like you have been very priviliged in your employment, or very limited work experience.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:37 PM

I'd say limited. I've only really had two other jobs my entire life and they never did this so it's all new to me.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 10:08 PM

Sounds like the place is pretty chronically understaffed if one maternity leave can cause a time off block of three months. That being said, three months is hardly that long a timescale all things considered. That's about what I deal with yearly when the holiday season rolls around. One of the "perks" of the working world.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:03 AM

At the newspaper I'm with? 


Deadlines are deadlines, period. We're so short-handed that if you're scheduled to do something you've got to get it done unless you've arranged for someone to cover for you. 


In a worst-case scenario those of us on stringer or reporter duty can be covering multiple events in a single day, while as a courier I've had to do parts of someone else's route on top of my own route. My blown knee? I was an hour into my route one night when I went to take a step, only to find that the ground wasn't underneath my foot like it was supposed to be; my knee buckled under the impact of my landing, but since the other couriers were already in the middle of their routes and my kin were all asleep, I had to deal with it. Three hours later, I was limping so badly that all but the most oblivious of people noticed.  


Even the editorial staff will log into the cloud and get things dealt with while they're ostensibly on vacation, or else they'll have to hustle to get everything done well ahead of time so that they can go ahead and go. 


I myself try to keep a collection of one-off columns (that is, columns not tied to current events or other columns) and "retro" movie reviews handy as fail-safes in case something happens on my end. 


So yeah - it's the working world. 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:54 AM

...I don't think that has anything to do with this.


In any case, do you have an employee handbook?  That usually outlines the options for PTO and how it can be handled.  I've run into time off blackouts, but never for as long as 14 weeks.  Like, three at most.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:12 AM

About the only thing they can't do is stop you from calling in sick, but they can require you to provide a Dr's note to prove you weren't BS'ing. And they can still use it against you if it happens too frequently. About the only legal protection is if you file an official FMLA request, at which point they're not allowed to do anything about it. But depending on what state you live in there's a good chance it has right-to-work laws which means you can be fired for pretty much any other reason and it doesn't matter.


I haven't had vacation in about three years, and any additional "days off" are just swapped with one of the other pilots so we can make sure the plane is always covered. It's just the nature of the business. 


And yeah, PTO black-out dates are common practice in most businesses. You can't use them over holidays, or during certain specific times of year. I do agree it's a little odd that your company is so short-staffed that one person going on leave locks the place down, but even that isn't that unusual.


Your company should have a couple of posters hung up somewhere (usually the break room), which spells out the federal and state law specific to you. If it's not on that poster, they can do what they want.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:55 AM

Went through similar shit at Indiana University. Not maternity leaves but stuff like rolling out important new software so no one could take PTO for months at a time. It sucked.


Basically if you're in a right to work state especially it's all legal. Also legal is hanging on just long enough to draw unemployment and then getting fired because you tell your boss exactly what you think of them, loudly, in front of everyone. Just a thought.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:29 AM

Yeah, but that makes future employment that much more difficult. "Disagreements with management" can be a red flag that lingers.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 02:50 PM

Unless you bring it up yourself, "disagreements with management" is not something prospective employers would ever know about you.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 04:58 AM

So my next question is, if you guys were in this situation would you start looking for another job or would you tough it out for 3 and a half months?


None of us can tell you that.  I certainly wouldn't quite MY job because that happened.  But then you probably wouldn't be asking the question if there weren't other things about your job that had you close to wanting to quit.


Lots of jobs just get 5-10 days off a year.  So voluntarily going 3 months at a time without taking off is pretty normal.  May I presume that you wouldn't have brought all of this up if it weren't because there is something specific that you want to take off for in the next 3 months?  Where I work, we schedule our PTO for the next year in November and December.  It isn't impossible to schedule it later, but it is likely to be impossible to get the days you want off later, because there are rules about how many can be gone at a time.  Sometimes someone gets crunched by that when they find something they want to do and cannot get the time off for it.  In the years before I got on permanent day shift, I missed weddings, parties, a concert I wanted to attend, holiday get-togethers and such.  None of those were worth quitting my job over because I had the job where I wanted to stay.


I don't recall knowing anything about you that you haven't shared in this thread.  This may not be the job where you want to stick for your career.  I don't know how old you are or what you're doing or what you'd like to be doing.  But with all that said, I believe if you haven't found a job where you want to stay for your career you should be spending some of your free time thinking about where and what that job would be and planning how you would be able to get there.  Even if it weren't for the maternity leave.

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