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@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 02:11 PM)

Just like how TRON and Captain N are early examples of "getting transported into a video game"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (14 January 2019 - 02:07 PM)

That would explain why it's so common for isekai settings to be blatantly RPG-inspired.

@  Arazyr : (14 January 2019 - 01:42 PM)

Would the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon count as isekai? 8^)

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:06 PM)

I am in the exceedingly unpleasant position of knowing what you're talking about

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:05 PM)

So I'll just say I can consume the series without endorsing the real-life lie that false rape accusations are common and successful.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:04 PM)

I would go on to talk about that, but alas, that would spoil significant future story details about the accuser.

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:03 PM)

Shield Hero dared to have a male character falsely accused of rape, right?

@  B-Fox : (14 January 2019 - 12:02 PM)

At least now people will stop shitting on slice-of-life shows....

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

listen just because it has shield in its name does not mean you need to ally with it

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 12:01 PM)

oh good lord

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

In fact, the Shield Hero series does not portray slavery as a good thing nor keep the initial slave characters down for the count.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 12:00 PM)

If you're referring to The Rising of the Shield Hero, the backlash from some Western fans is misaimed, IMO.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:59 AM)

I wish I was more surprised that "slavery apologetics" is a thing. Still disgusted.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:53 AM)

But surely we all know the best isekai is Captain N.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 11:49 AM)

This morning I saw one of my friends express disbelief at having an opportunity to say "yet another slavery apologist isekai"

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

Although recently they explicably acquire a harem by purchasing them as slaves, which makes it that much worse

@  Lancer : (14 January 2019 - 11:21 AM)

I think what people hate is the modern trend of isekai taking place in generic-ass fantasy settings with bland, oft-overpowered male protagonists that inexplicably acquire a harem.

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Does Kingdom Hearts count? On the one hand it's a serial world hopping adventure, on the other hand all the worlds are contained within the same overworld that the characters have always been in, just unaware of.


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:13 AM

I'm guessing a new Hordak would be gray. Everything makes him gray rather than blue.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 09:09 AM

Yeah, as far as I know, Hordak has only ever been blue at all in the Filmation show. Anything else including the original toy was always gray. Why they made him blue, I will never know for sure - Maybe so he would stand out from the dark Fright Zone backgrounds? I think the cyborg angle is mostly a Filmation idea, as well.


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 12:44 PM

At a glance, because the She-Ra toyline was a dollction figure line of ladies with fairy wings and rooted hair and pegacorn mounts.


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:34 PM

Did any of the Villains even feature in the She-Ra toy line? I could see a select few like Shadow Weaver or Catra, but even then from what I remember it was pretty much all the girl heroes plus Bow



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:45 PM

He-Man.org's list seems to confirm that, that's what I "glanced" at before my last post. It also appears that Catra got a rooted-hair PoP doll while Shadow Weaver got a MotU action figure.


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:23 PM

I figured Shadow Weaver would be pushing She-Ra's own line, but Catra was pretty much just a normal looking human character until wearing her mask. It's kind of sad that they had to separate the bad guys into the MOTU line just because of the "monsters wouldn't sell to girls" mentality.



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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:41 PM

I dunno, as with most things gender-role-related, I'm a little ambivalent from the position of having my cake and eating it. It's sad that boys couldn't have toys with rooted hair and girls couldn't have toys with firing missiles. Here in the present, I don't really like either of those gimmicks, but I do like both dolls and action figures, and a part of me has to respect how the She-Ra line repackaged the relatively novel form of 80s action figures back into a girls' toy, and how that shakes out in the packaging, sculpt aesthetic, etc.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 03:51 PM

He-Man.org's list seems to confirm that, that's what I "glanced" at before my last post. It also appears that Catra got a rooted-hair PoP doll while Shadow Weaver got a MotU action figure.

 

Wait, wait, wait. I had a She-Ra figure to along with He-Man, Skeletor, Beastman, etc... but you're telling me there was a Bubble Power She-Ra I missed out on?

 

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:21 PM

Don't remember what DC did with him, but Google tells me it's this.

 

That picture of Hordac kind of makes him look a lot like Mummra from Thundercats after he transformed, its the build of the body that makes him look similar on top of what he wearing, clothes wise.


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 06:13 PM

The only villains in the original She-ra line were Catra and Double Trouble. The other Horde figures were part of MotU. Shadow Weaver didn't have a figure originally and neither did Scorpa.

I figure that the other Horde figures were put in She-ra as production of She-ra ended production of He-Man. So they had to put the figures that were still coming out for MotU somewhere. Where better than the cartoon linked to it and with essentially no villain figures of its own.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 10:05 AM

The only villains in the original She-ra line were Catra and Double Trouble. The other Horde figures were part of MotU. Shadow Weaver didn't have a figure originally and neither did Scorpa.

I figure that the other Horde figures were put in She-ra as production of She-ra ended production of He-Man. So they had to put the figures that were still coming out for MotU somewhere. Where better than the cartoon linked to it and with essentially no villain figures of its own.

 

You forgot Entrapta, she was also from the original line.  She did show up in a couple of episodes too.  Apparently she was pretty high ranked in the Horde, she was able to stand by Hordak next to his throne and not get looked down on by him like the other minions.

 

And yeah you are correct about why Horde villains showed up in She-Ra.  It is the same reason some of the Snake Men showed up as Horde members in She-Ra.  Mattel still wanted to advertise them.  Rattlor pretty much looked the same, but Tung Lashor looked wildly different then his final figure.



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Posted 21 May 2018 - 10:48 AM

Yeah, as far as I recall, the initial concept for She-Ra had Catra as the main villain. Then, Mattel had them shuffle the Horde in there and Filmation made a few additions of their own. It's only a few years ago that some of the rights quagmire got cleaned up a bit and Mattel was able to start using some of the Filmation characters again. Or, as far as some toys are concerned, for the first time.


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 12:50 PM

 

The only villains in the original She-ra line were Catra and Double Trouble. The other Horde figures were part of MotU. Shadow Weaver didn't have a figure originally and neither did Scorpa.

I figure that the other Horde figures were put in She-ra as production of She-ra ended production of He-Man. So they had to put the figures that were still coming out for MotU somewhere. Where better than the cartoon linked to it and with essentially no villain figures of its own.

 

You forgot Entrapta, she was also from the original line.  She did show up in a couple of episodes too.  Apparently she was pretty high ranked in the Horde, she was able to stand by Hordak next to his throne and not get looked down on by him like the other minions.

 

And yeah you are correct about why Horde villains showed up in She-Ra.  It is the same reason some of the Snake Men showed up as Horde members in She-Ra.  Mattel still wanted to advertise them.  Rattlor pretty much looked the same, but Tung Lashor looked wildly different then his final figure.

 

 

Ah, forgot about her.  But the long and short of it was, anything that was a female character from She-Ra was part of the She-Ra line.  Bow was the only male character part of the Princess of Power line, and all other male characters that had toys (which were just the villains) were part of MotU.


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 12:59 PM

I don't expect them to retain it, but I always enjoyed the music to She-Ra much more than the music to He-Man....



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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:48 PM

Adora's origins as a Horde captain certainly make for more a more interesting and complex foundation than He-Man had. DC did some good stuff with Despara too. I hope that element is retained for the new show. 


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:03 AM

I seem to recall the Horde figures coming out in MotU (speaking of which, this would have gone great in that thread; did we need a separate one?) before Princess of Power was released.

What I'd heard was that it was at Filmation's request that the Horde was integrated into the She-Ra cartoon.

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

Who would have been her villains if there were no Horde? Catra would have been the the Skeletor equivalent, like powerful general and magician?

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 10:50 AM

G1 MLP had the same problem She-Ra would have had, if you can call it a problem - the cartoon needed villains and the toy line didn't, so the cartoon just had a lot of wacky villains not based on anything particularly to do with the toys.
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Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 01:57 PM

Yeah, as far as I know, Hordak has only ever been blue at all in the Filmation show. Anything else including the original toy was always gray. Why they made him blue, I will never know for sure - Maybe so he would stand out from the dark Fright Zone backgrounds? I think the cyborg angle is mostly a Filmation idea, as well.

He was also blue in the newspaper strip... which was also made by Filmation, but still. :p

 


The only villains in the original She-ra line were Catra and Double Trouble. The other Horde figures were part of MotU. Shadow Weaver didn't have a figure originally and neither did Scorpa.
 
I figure that the other Horde figures were put in She-ra as production of She-ra ended production of He-Man. So they had to put the figures that were still coming out for MotU somewhere. Where better than the cartoon linked to it and with essentially no villain figures of its own.
The Horde was actually developed for She-Ra.
 

And yeah you are correct about why Horde villains showed up in She-Ra.  It is the same reason some of the Snake Men showed up as Horde members in She-Ra.  Mattel still wanted to advertise them.  Rattlor pretty much looked the same, but Tung Lashor looked wildly different then his final figure.
 
Tung was based on a toy concept art:
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On a side note, Rattlor was planned to appear on He-Man initially. Had that come to pass, he too would've been based on a toy concept art:
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Model sheet by Bruce Timm:
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Yeah, as far as I recall, the initial concept for She-Ra had Catra as the main villain. Then, Mattel had them shuffle the Horde in there and Filmation made a few additions of their own.
Nope.
 

The picture above makes me really hope they do something cool to Hordak's design. That high bone collar is just kinda dumb.
 
-ZacWilliam, he's always felt weirdly muddy as a design to me. Never liked him much. Nosferatu face, weird robot suggestions, weird collar, shape changing powers. I'm sure he could be great but It could use some reinvention to really gel I think.
 
If all of that gets changed, then he may as well be a completely brand new character.


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:20 PM

I really think they could pick one or two of the themes they're hinting at and build that out properly, and that that would still be meaningfully a version of the character.


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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