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@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:00 PM

Wow, first live-action appearance of Batwoman ever! I hope it's Kate Kane.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:24 AM

The sixth season of Arrow had two consecutive competitors for the worst villain of the show ever (as in, genuinely worse than Damien Darhk) along with a plot that boiled down to "Oliver is wrong because the writers said so so let's all start making the worst decisions possible". The funniest thing was that Oliver was actually last to start screwing up.

 

So Season 5 was actually better.

 

Spoiler

 

Anyways we officially have Superman on Earth 52, so this'll make Batman an even more glaring omission.

 

I like the crossovers well enough even if they do mean having to watch an episode of The Flash, so this is good news.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 03:53 AM

please just don't make her somehow be Alex (supergirl's sister) ... 

 

it's perfectly fine with me DC if there is more than one Redhead ;) 



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:37 AM

Hasn't Supergirl intimated that her cousin has run into Batman before?


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:08 AM

Bruce Wayne was name dropped in Arrow.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:48 AM

As was Oracle (back when they started calling Felicity "Overwatch"). Even before that, Harley Quinn had showed up as a cameo (which kinda requires that A. Joker exists and B. Joker has been caught at least once).

And over on her Earth, Supergirl mentioned people wearing masks in Gotham.

Though I still hope that they someday introduce Stephanie Brown in Supergirl. Using this exact scene.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:57 AM

LOL "There was a retcon don't worry about it"



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:35 AM

Anyways we officially have Superman on Earth 52,

Which Earth is that?


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:29 PM

I'm hoping Batwoman is based in Earth-38, just so we can get regular World's Finest teamups without having to go through the process of breaching over each time.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:20 PM

 

Anyways we officially have Superman on Earth 52,

Which Earth is that?

 

Supergirl's Earth



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:44 PM

 

 

Anyways we officially have Superman on Earth 52,

Which Earth is that?

 

Supergirl's Earth

 

No it isn't. Supergirl's is Earth-38.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:52 PM

Well than at least 2 earth's have a superman in that case



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 03:54 PM

This season of Arrow was cringe-inducingly bad. I haven't seen either Flash or Supergirl since they came back from their last hiatus. And Legends of Tomorrow has always sucked.

 

So, sure, Batwoman, why not. Anything to spark the modicum of interest I have left in this whole universe.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:09 PM

Legends of Tomorrow is fantastic and currently the only reliable corner of the Arrowverse. After a disastrous first season, they pretty much immediately corrected all their issues with the second, and haven't stopped.

I think the main thing that's helped them was leaning into the "team of screwups" angle. Seeing well-meaning and likable people who are pretty much guaranteed to get things wrong, but will do their best to make it right, that makes you want to root for them. On the other hand, we are constantly being told that Barry Allen is a great human being while he constantly does things that are stupid and inconsiderate.

Legends also has a great sense of humor about the Arrowverse. They can't go full-Deadpool, but there's been some great jokes in there for people who've stuck around this long.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:53 PM

I think what made this season of Arrow (and Flash) so cringe worthy at times, is that they're too long. Plot points get stretched out, when really they should be worked out in 2 - 4 episodes.  In Arrow it was the whole B-Team being stupid for most of the season, then Diglit having a turn and finally Oliver being made dumb in the last few episodes before the finale. Didn't help the the main big bad is just a thug, who somehow is more of a threat then everything they faced before. Feels like he should've been a season two baddy, not season 6.

 

On Flash it wasn't AS bad, but still they could've done better. I mean, Barry coming out of the Speedforce, was supposed to have gained so much knowlage and be so much better then he was before. It's a bit of a let down that they had him forget everything and underplaying the fact he's ust as smart as everyone else in team Flash.

 

As for Batwoman showing up next season. I like it. With Titans dropping on DC Universe before hand, building up some of the Bat Family, they could use Batwoman to really bring Gotham (the city not the show) into the Arrowverse. Build it up over a season or two and then when Arrow has it's last season, replace it with a Gothem based series.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:34 PM

I think what made this season of Arrow (and Flash) so cringe worthy at times, is that they're too long. Plot points get stretched out, when really they should be worked out in 2 - 4 episodes.  In Arrow it was the whole B-Team being stupid for most of the season, then Diglit having a turn and finally Oliver being made dumb in the last few episodes before the finale. Didn't help the the main big bad is just a thug, who somehow is more of a threat then everything they faced before. Feels like he should've been a season two baddy, not season 6.

 

The main things I just couldn't get over:

 

1. The stupidity of the B-Team. Splitting them up from Team Arrow could have been a fine idea, but not in the middle of the city being held hostage, and not stemming from such an idiotic starting point ("How dare you spy on the three of us even though one of us LITERALLY did the EXACT thing you suspected one of us did").

 

2. The CW's continued inability to competently redeem its villains. Anatoly becomes decent because Diaz beat a tied-up Ollie? Hug you. Black Siren discovers a limit to her bloodthirstiness when it comes to burning rando civilians? Double hug you.

 

3. The lameness of Diaz. The matter-of-factness with which he bought off and/or controlled everyone in the city. Black Siren's unreasonable and unbelievable fear of him. The fact that he should have been murdered 6 times over in the Quadrant episode and just wasn't because plot. The fact that nobody takes any precautions against him knowing their secret identities. The fact that, during his one confrontation with Ollie before the finale, he had to pull a weapon so he didn't lose a hand-to-hand fight.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:04 PM

Diaz is another fine example of what we are TOLD about the character being completely unrelated to what we are shown.

We're told that he's been pulling the strings behind Cayden James' operation for the first half of the season, but most of his appearances up to that point have been practically cameos, with no hint of any importance. We're told that he's the most fearsome foe that Ollie's ever faced, but he's really this big manbaby that hides behind other people.

And worst of all: (SPOILER for last night's finale)
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*ahem* Back to the original topic though, I am hopeful for the crossover. Invasion and Crisis On Earth-X were absolutely delightful. Even though TPTB struggle with plotting an entire season of television, they can clearly do well with making a 4-hour miniseries that can get the most out of it's entire cast.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:29 PM

So have they ever established whether Gotham is at all connected to the Arrowverse... perhaps set in the past (based on the old cellphones, tube TVs, etc.) of either Flash or Supergirl's Earth, or maybe just on one of the other alternate Earths... maybe the one recently mentioned on Flash that's "still on VHS".


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 07:10 AM

RagMan was great but it's probably best that he's left on the side of the show people actually liked.

 

New Team Arrow were a mess this year. Diaz was only slightly better than Cayden James which was just really really sad. There was genuinely a point where it seemed Felicity's hacker girl friend was taking out Cayden so she could become Arrow's first genuine female villain but like, that didn't happen. I have no idea why people expected that though, because it would have been a twist that made sense and was born from what had happened before.

 

Fake Laurel (Yanny?) was so many different people in every episode I still have no idea who she is. I did like her black wig.

 

I think what bothered me the most this season was how killing either Diaz and Cayden at any point after they'd been introduced was extremely easy. Maybe Cayden had the secret whatever codes and then that bomb that lost to darned William* of all people, but Diaz was literally the head of a criminal organization and the only reason people did what he wanted was because he was alive to blackmail them.

 

*Please, please get rid of William.

 

As for Legends; everybody should watch Legends, Beebo is love.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 10:01 AM

So have they ever established whether Gotham is at all connected to the Arrowverse... perhaps set in the past (based on the old cellphones, tube TVs, etc.) of either Flash or Supergirl's Earth, or maybe just on one of the other alternate Earths... maybe the one recently mentioned on Flash that's "still on VHS".

It's never been connected to the Arrowverse.

 

Ra's al Ghul and his organization are all entirely different in that show, even.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.



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