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@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.


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#1 Broadside

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:24 PM

So, according to TFWiki, today marks 34 years since the first issue of Marvel's The Transformers was released - so why not discuss the highs and lows of the original Transformers comics?

 

Favourite arcs? Best characters? Greatest Furmanisms? It's all there!


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:39 PM

Marvel was my first exposure to TF. Issue #19 (the one introducing Omega Supreme) was in a pile of comics at my local library. I think I was probably 4 when I found it. I checked it out and read it so much that it started falling apart and the library gave it to me. This being 1989 or 1990, wanting toys of these robots and not being able to find them was the seed of the obsession it'd turn into. One of the local drug stores had issue #77 on the rack (the one where Grimlock punches Fangry), and that was the only one I ever got new.

 

I'd scrounge used book stores (no comic stores in the area at the time) for back issues and I slowly built up a collection that still isn't quite complete - I don't have issue 80, I don't have the movie adaptation, and I don't have the GI Joe crossover. 

 

I've also barely experienced any of the British run, but it's on my list to start picking up the collected volumes sometime in the near future.

 

Hot take: I tend to prefer Budiansky issues to Furman issues, and Don Perlin is my favorite artist on the series.

 

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:52 PM

I didn't have too many issues growing up, but two scenes I remember tended to be among the more gruesome: the first was Megatron crushing Brawl's head over three agonizing panels, and the other was one of the shots of Circuit Breaker and... Dinkleburg, I think? staring at the wall with the faces of Blaster and his Autobots.

 

Also thanks a lot for reminding me about how old this franchise is :(


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:03 PM

They helped in making Shockwave one of my favourite Decepticons, and I think Budiansky's Blaster is the only depiction of the character I'm really a fan of.

"On the Edge of Extinction" remains one of my favourite Transformers stories of all time. The feeling of desperation throughout the issue as the Autobots and Decepticons unite to throw everything but the kitchen sink at Unicron, Scorponok's death, Optimus's sacrifice... such a classic.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:06 PM

The part where Ratchet punches Starscream.

 

The part where Grimlock punches Thunderwing.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:22 PM

The part where Ratchet punches Starscream.

 

You may remember that #77, the one I had as a kid, ends in a cliffhanger - where Galvatron and Megatron meet up. I didn't know anything about time travel shenanigans at the time, but I had seen TF:TM, so this was a big of a mind-blower. It was not until I was a teen that I was able to track down the follow-up, which is the issue with the Ratchet punch. That panel gave me literal goose bumps at the time. I thought I was the only one, so it was a nice feeling to discover down the road that it resonated strongly with a lot of others.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:24 PM

I really want to get into the Marvel side of G1, but every time I try reading about a character's Marvel continuity instalments my head starts hurting.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:48 PM

My first TF comic was a UK one, in the middle of the Time Wars, it was the issue where a Megatron appeared to kill Cyclonus by tearing off his head and murdering his target master partner before seemingly killing Galvatron and for years afterwards I never really knew what happened next until IDW or it might of been the Titan books, were releasing the stories in trade paperbacks. My first exposure to the US comics of marvel was the final two books of the marvel comics for G1, (All Fall Down & End of the Road), thou resently I been rereading over the US marvel comics in the TP form, I'm currently at the begining of the four books that did the Unicron story and I'll get on and read them, soon. As for what I read to date, I think the Underbase story is overrated, I much prefer the confict that formed when the Autobots elected Grimlock leader of the Autobots in the wake of Optimus's death, which pretty much shows that both sides in the war are disfunctional in regards to their command stuctures, the Autobots pretty much bickered among themselves until one battle where Grimlock came the rescue and got elected leader, but not exactly the greatest idea they had but at least it was a vote of sorts, while the cons sort of go from leader to leader, starting with Shockwave, who forced Megatron from his procession, then Megs back as leader, then Shockwave, then its Ratbat, followed by Zarak/Scorponok yet the cons seem mostly sucessful and cause a lot of havoc and chaos, but the problem they have is the infighting among the leaders.

 

Anyway, a fun, useless fact, today is my Dad's birthday (he not a TF fan), so he was born on the day that would evenly become the day the first issue of Transformers comes out and the begining of a legend or at least a very popluar series.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:44 PM

I had various comics during the run, but got most later when I really got into comic collecting (which happened to be the year before Age of Apocalypse), and remember being really happy for finding the first four Transformers comics at a local comic shop for only a few dollars over cover price.

The two comics that I really remember as a kid was the one where the Autobot heads were on the wall, and the cover of issue 70, with the fused Megatron and Ratchet, though I had not read it in a while, so had no clue, aside from context in the issue, of how that came to be.

G2, on the other hand, I did start shortly after I was aware it came out, and followed through the entire series.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:29 PM

Afterdeath! was rubbish, that's the first thing my brain picks to say. 

 

I picked up some of the earliest issues when they first came out, and then much later found a few random issues from across the run and a chunk from right at the end. Strong memories include scary cassette players and Pretender movie stars

 

There's a lot of nonsense in the pre-Furman stuff, but a lot of it is wacky fun, and I find myself looking back fondly on the extreme To Sell Toys nature of the whole thing. Every month you might have a whole new bunch of dudes to meet. And then you could run right out and buy them! Try running out right now to buy Aileron or Rung. 

 

ETA: I was onboard properly for G2 (after all, that was NOT my father's Autobot) and it infuriates me to this day when people exclude it from Marvel canon. Hug you, Regeneration One. 


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:30 PM

City of Fear.

 

That's what introduced me to the comics. Utterly terrifying to a young me (I didn't have the biggest spine for horror back then) but combined with the next arc, still one of my favourite storylines.



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Posted 09 May 2018 - 12:48 AM

Marvel was my first exposure to TF. Issue #19 (the one introducing Omega Supreme) was in a pile of comics at my local library. I think I was probably 4 when I found it. I checked it out and read it so much that it started falling apart and the library gave it to me. This being 1989 or 1990, wanting toys of these robots and not being able to find them was the seed of the obsession it'd turn into. One of the local drug stores had issue #77 on the rack (the one where Grimlock punches Fangry), and that was the only one I ever got new.

 

I'd scrounge used book stores (no comic stores in the area at the time) for back issues and I slowly built up a collection that still isn't quite complete - I don't have issue 80, I don't have the movie adaptation, and I don't have the GI Joe crossover. 

 

I've also barely experienced any of the British run, but it's on my list to start picking up the collected volumes sometime in the near future.

 

Hot take: I tend to prefer Budiansky issues to Furman issues, and Don Perlin is my favorite artist on the series.

 

I had somewhat of a similar situation... I started in the 90s with G2, originally getting into it due to the TV show (reruns of G1). My dad saw the G2 #2 at the comic store, bought it for me, and I was hooked... despite wondering why Megatron was a tank, not knowing who the heck Fortress Maximus or Bludgeon were, or why all the GIJOES were running around, etc. Stayed with it and was quite sad when it ended after only 12 issues. I picked up all the back issues of G1 available at my comic store, which was most of the run from 1-45, but after that I think the only issues I had were 76 and 77. So the end of the run always had a bit of a mythical quality to me - Furman's writing and Wildman's art always felt very striking and different, as well as cool characters like Bludgeon who weren't in the TV show.

 

Nowadays, like you, I also have a new appreciation for Budiansky and Perlin; compared to Furman dimming a bit due to overexposure in later years and Wildman when I realized he just drew humans in boxes. I will always have a soft spot for Yaniger since G2 was my first TF experience, though even eight-year-old me realized Manny Galan sucked.



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Posted 09 May 2018 - 04:41 AM

The middle part of "Crisis of Command", UK # 43 was my first issue and it impressed on me that Geoff Senior was "the man".

 

Despite the spotty colouring, I also eventually found a lot of charm in the Budiansky issues and his takes on characters (Shockwave, Blaster, as mentioned) are still my definite versions of those guys.

 

Marvel US # 75 is probably my favourite single comic story of Transformers to this day.  One of those (admittedly rare) times that Furman absolutely stuck the landing and provided an near-flawless conclusion to over a year of build-up.

 

I love G2 as well (although I didn't get to read it in its entirety until YEARS later when I found scans on the early internet) and at the time... thought it was the Watchmen of Transformers in terms of maturity.  Ha, I've since leveled that assessment way the hell down, but again... appreciate it a great deal and think it was Furman's second-best conclusion to a long-running story arc.



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Posted 09 May 2018 - 06:00 AM

even eight-year-old me realized Manny Galan sucked.


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Posted 09 May 2018 - 06:19 AM

The Marvel Comic was really important to me as a kid. I mean I watched and loved the Cartoon like every kid-fan but the Comic Book was something "more." It was stranger, older, more serious (reletively speaking) Transformer universe.

The Return to Cybertron/Smelting Pool story with Blaster and Scrounge was the early point that captured me completely and it remains one of my favorite TF stories ever. I also have strong memories of the Ratchet/Megatron/Dinobots and the Buster has the Matrix bits that were included in a ton of those cheep multi comic packs you'd find in stores, to the point that I'm not sure wich of those things I read first but they were all absolutely Awesome to my childhood self.

I remember collecting issues at the news stand every time I could. The searching for them and finding them even out of order and with holes in the progression was part of the fun.

-ZacWilliam, I have a ton more Marvel comic memories that I don't have time to recall right now, but this book was very much my core G1.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:09 AM

Four million years ago, they came from Cybertron, a world composed entirely of machinery... a world torn by an age-old war between the heroic Autobots and the evil Decepticons. These incredibly powerful living robots, capable of converting themselves into land and air vehicles, weapons and other mechanical forms, continue their conflict here on Earth. They are...THE TRANSFORMERS

 

 

 

Being one who didn't get to first read the Marvel G1 comics until around 2010, my history with them is quite different from those who got to read them well before then.

 

As a child of the 90s, I had no knowledge or awareness of the Marvel comics until reading about their stories on the Internet in the early 2000s. Back then, it was around the time when the G1 cartoon had been released on VHS and DVD by Kid Rhino and the 2001 Robots in Disguise cartoon was still airing on Fox Kids in reruns (until Fox Kids's eventual demise, boo!). Transformers: Armada was just around the corner, but I didn't get to see it as much at that time. Nevertheless, being a kid who grew up on Beast Wars and Beast Machines, I was eager to see the G1 cartoon since everyone back then had told me that the G1 cartoon was the show that the starred ancestors of the Beast Wars cast and took place in the same timeline as the Beast cartoons (little did I know at the time about the whole "Arthurian legend" status that the G1 lore was intended to be for Beast Wars).

 

Anyway, I got the DVD boxed sets of the G1 cartoon and the DVD of the 1986 movie and, of course, that movie blew my childlike mind away. So when the announcement came that Unicron was going to be appearing in Armada and getting a gigantic (at the time) new toy too, I was psyched as all get out. I wanted more. I wanted to know more about Unicron. As much as a could learn about him. The G1 cartoon had its origin episode for him in "Call of the Primitives" and a few guest appearances in "Ghost in the Machine" and "Grimlock's New Brain", but I wanted to know more about who/what he was exactly. What was his life like before the movie's events? Why did he go around eating planets beyond mere sustenance? What kind of life and experiences had he lived through before the events of the movie?

 

So I took to the Internet and not only discovered information about his Marvel G1 history (the Primus backstory and such), but about the Marvel G1 comics in general. There was this whole other world of Generation 1 Transformers out there. A completely separate story from the one I had viewed on DVD. One that, to my younger self, seemed to hold a much richer and involved history for Unicron than the cartoon ever divulged.

 

However, much like how my younger was under the misconception that the cartoon was one true backstory for the Beast Era cartoons, so too was I also under the misconception that all Transformers cartoons were the definitive versions of each series's story, and that the comic books "didn't count". For some stupid, ignorant reason, I wrote off the comics as being just mere alternatives to the "main versions" (the cartoons) and didn't view them in any light equal to the cartoons. I guess it didn't help that Dreamwave was beginning its run of comics at the time, which to my mind was yet another "side thing" that didn't matter to the "more important" cartoon.

 

Still, despite my ignorance, because the Marvel comic version of Unicron's backstory was so ubiquitous online, I in my further ignorance took it as fact for the cartoon version of Unicron as well, rationalizing that the cartoon's Primacron origin wasn't as true as it claimed to be, thinking instead that Primacron merely rebuilt Unicron into his physical form, taking credit for Unicron's overall creation when such was nothing but a claim rooted in hubris. It also didn't help how, around the time of Unicron's appearance in Armada and Energon, Simon Furman was pushing for the claim that there was only one Unicron in all of Transformers, so that told me that his Primus-rivaled comic origin had to apply to the cartoon version as well.

 

I eventually got out of my "only the cartoons manner" state at some point and it wasn't until around 2010 when I first decided to seriously give an honest read at the Marvel G1 comics to finally see what all I had missed out on in the time before my time. But since there was also the UK stuff to read in addition to the U.S. stuff, I had to figure out how I was gonna read those issues in relation to the U.S. ones. So, I in my stubborn vigor chose to go with the HARD way to get the most authentic reading experience that I could: I read only the U.S. stuff first in production order, from Issue #1 all the way to the final G2 issue, with each issue of the supporting mini-series (the G.I. Joe crossover, TFTM, and Headmasters) read in between certain issues of the main G1 series, and the pre-G2 G.I. Joe issues of course were read in between G1 and G2. Then, once all of that was done, I went back as reread all of the U.S. stuff but this time WITH the UK issues included in their order of release, as well as the short-lived Fleetway G2 comics afterward. But before reading the Fleetway G2 issues, I also read all of the G1 UK annuals after finishing the 332 UK issues.

 

And now I'm happy to say that, for all the flaws of the old Marvel G1/G2 comics, I really enjoyed them for what they were. There's something magical about them that I felt was lacking from the cartoon. Something... substantial. As though every story, even the weakest ones, had something that mattered to the overarching narrative that carried the story from issue to issue, as though it was wrong to skip out on just about any issue. Whereas with the cartoon, if you missed the odd episode of Seasons 2 or 3, you didn't miss much. Though, I will give the cartoon props for giving a more even distribution of characterization to most of its characters, whereas the comics seemed more to play favorites with who would get the most character focus.

 

The UK issues especially felt mesmerizing. There was this sense that, like Batman: The Animated Series, the stories were written with kids in mind but never shied away from treating the readers like people instead of like kids. It was real, it was sincere, it was wholesome. Furman really put himself into these stories when he didn't have to give the level of effort that he did. It really shows that he was making something special out of these issues, with "Target: 2006", "The Legacy of Unicron!", and "Time Wars" being the obvious but still well-deserved standouts, along with the nameless arcs involving Optimus and Megatron going back to Cybertron before Budiansky was gonna take 'em both out of the story, and the arc with Death's Head/Rodimus/Magnus/Galvatron at Mount Verona. In my first impression, almost nothing in the U.S. Budiansky stories matched up to the level of awesome that these UK sagas had, with the notable exception being the early stuff with Ratchet and Shockwave in issues #5-12. Only when Furman took over the U.S. comic did it feel as good as the UK stuff again.

 

But that isn't to say everything Budiansky did was inferior. The "Return to Cybertron" 2-parter was amazing, "Decepticon Graffiti!" made me want more out of the Battlechargers, and both Shockwave and Ratbat were two of the best Decepticon leaders in the whole run of the comic. I even have a guilty pleasure soft spot for the much-reviled "Buster Witwicky and the Carwash of Doom!" As goofy as that story is, I just can't hate it. It's too delightful in how bonkers it is. :D

 

To this day, I still haven't read Regeneration One. Not out of spite but out of laziness. I'll give it a fair read someday, but it's just not a priority right now.

 

 

Final thoughts, the Marvel G1 comics are a treasure. Not perfect, but a recommended read for any hardcore Transformers fan. And they also hold the distinction of containing both the worst and the best deaths of Optimus Prime ever ("Afterdeath!" and "On the Edge of Extinction!", respectively. When I first read "On the Edge of Extinction!", I cheered and applauded when I got to the panel where Optimus plunges himself and the Matrix into Unicron, causing him to explode mightily).

 

 

 

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#17 Dracula

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:48 AM

I've posted this in the photo thread before, but here's the semi-destroyed, but surviving, copy of #19 that the library gave me.

 

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:20 AM

My Marvel G1 experience is very similar in a lot of ways to ZacWilliam1's. 

 

The Sunbow cartoon was my first introduction to Transformers media, though only through rented VHS tapes (there wasn't anyone broadcasting the show in my neck of the woods by '87 or so when I really was into it). So, that formed the basis of how I saw thse characters. Then, I managed to get my hands on some of the comics, and it was very much a eye opening experience. "Why was Optimus so depressing? Why is Grimlock a huge asshole? Why does humanity hate BOTH the Autobots and Decepticons?" were just some of the questions floating around in my head as I read them. This wasn't the bright and colourful world (literally and figuratively) that I was used to. Yet, these were still so very compelling to a TF obsessed kid. I HAD to find out more!

 

We had (well, still have) a used book store that I would go to a few times a year and rifle through the used comic bins looking for more of the issues to fill the gaps in the stories. I never did come close to getting a complete collection, and I would have to gloss over the gaps. But I did manage to string together some groups of issues and have a decent sense of what was going on. They became my main TF fiction in the absence of anything else until the G2 cartoon started airing.

 

I got the first fifty issues digitally a few years back through a Humble Bundle sale, and that was my first time I was able to read the stories, to that point, uninterrupted, and I was happy to finally have those gaps filled that I wasn't able to as a kid. I definitely also appreciated the approach to the storytelling that, in reality, was more mature than that of the Sunbow cartoon. Both of these approaches to the Generation 1 story are very much treasured in this nostalgic soul today.

 

I'm still not fully up on what happened from there until the end of the series (beyond reading TFWiki summaries), so hopefully I'll grab those sometime.

 

 


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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:29 AM

The Marvel UK comic was G1 fiction for me as a child. My entire exposure to the G1 cartoon as a child was the pilot three-parter and (later on) seeing he Movie at the local cinema, and (ironically) some clips in early TV adverts for the comic. So the comics will always be an intrinsic part of the whole Transformers experience for me.


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Posted 09 May 2018 - 01:14 PM

My first exposure to the TF comic as a small child was issues 6-7, which totally colored my view of what the franchise was about from that point on. Whenever I played with my toys, I was always recreating the Ratchet/Megatron dynamic. (Usually Perceptor vs. Rampage, the biggest 'Con we owned.) In something of a coincidence, I owned fewer than 10 issues (6-7, 10-12, 26, 35-36 & HM#1) when I discovered issue 57 at Menard's or something, which blew my mind.
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