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@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:28 AM)

Russian interference should have been fighting an uphill battle, but as far as I'm concerned we gave them a head start.

@  Shrug : (20 October 2018 - 05:23 AM)

I disagree with Hillary being a good choice to run against Trump. Plenty of mixed feelings about her long before 2016 within our own party. When the DNC has to rig it's own primaries to get their chosen candidate running, maybe you shouldn't expect an easy landslide at the actual election.

@  Pennpenn : (20 October 2018 - 05:20 AM)

It would have also helped if the US was also an actualy democracy where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, but hey.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:42 AM)

You helped destroy western democracy, but hey, at least no-one can accuse you of bias... Oh wait, they did, still do, and are going to keep doing so as long as you report facts.

@  Rycochet : (20 October 2018 - 04:39 AM)

Hillary was a good choice to run against Trump, the big problem was the media crawling all over themselves to try and push the idea of fairness, and threw her under the bus to do so. Any hint of impropriety was treated as being exactly the same as actual proven criminal acts by Trump in order to avoid being seen as biased... and at the end of it all, he turned around and bit them for doing so because that's who he is.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:37 AM)

Many right-wingers are using its name as part of our version of the term "libtards": "Left-green filthy".

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:35 AM)

It's the only of the "established" parties (it's almost 40 years old at this point) that has remained true to its principles.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:34 AM)

Meanwhile, some uplifting news from Germany: While our big parties are rapidly losing voters, and our new "we're not really extreme" right-wing party is gaining voters, there is one other party that is scoring massive points, both in polls and the recent Bavarian state election: The Green Party.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:33 AM)

I still think having Hillary run against Drumpf was a bad choice.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 03:32 AM)

Well on the bright side, we know more people voted for HIllary than the cheeto.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:31 AM)

I guess many a prepper might have also voted for the person most likely to bring about the end of society they are waiting for.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:28 AM)

Now let that sink in, and then think about how many people voted for Agent Orange.

@  Nevermore : (20 October 2018 - 03:27 AM)

Elected officials often represent how the voters either view themselves, or how they would like to be.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 October 2018 - 12:21 AM)

Well I had 8 people watching my stream at one time tonight.. I call that a success...

@  Telly : (19 October 2018 - 11:08 PM)

my latest order from tfsource is coming from pennsylvania. all other ones have come from vegas (or thereabouts). did they move? is there a convention in pennsylvania theyre at and shipped from there?

@  MEDdMI : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

Unless it's the main cast of Persona 5.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 PM)

I realize there is a certain irony in my vocabulary selection there.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 October 2018 - 10:01 PM)

People who admire public thieves and tricksters are.....sad.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Ah damn it, need to go get some new headphones.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Power was out for most of the day, and now a boil water advisory. Been a great day so far...

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Bottom line, he reminds them alternatively of all the con men they grew up with watching on television (i.e. televangelists) or their favorite character from the Bible (i.e. Old Testament God).

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:30 PM)

Bill Maher gave an excellent explanation for why the Religious Right loves Trump so much.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 05:02 PM)

"NOOOO said the man in washington! It's belongs to the poor!"... oh boy was he wrong.

@  Paladin : (19 October 2018 - 04:34 PM)

see also Andrew Ryan

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 03:18 PM)

Also, "Big Father" has almost all the benefits of "Big Brother", but with none of the drawbacks.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 02:22 PM)

I'd go with "moron", personally.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 AM)

Why not both?

@  Benbot : (19 October 2018 - 09:56 AM)

I think she was a psychopath.

@  Echowarrior : (19 October 2018 - 09:50 AM)

Ayn Rand was a pretentious bitch.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:31 AM)

But Sven makes way more sense now

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:30 AM)

Man, watching the original Voltron cartoon for the first time is so weird after having only seen the Netflix reboot.

@  D.M : (19 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

+They don't really give a crap about God. All their religious talk is just part of the mask. They wanna look like the ideal citizen (what they consider that to be) - the most Christian of all Christians, the most patriotic of all patriots, etc.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 08:13 AM)

That's because she was also greedy, heartless, and despised the poor, which is something the right often loves more than God.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

I find it rather amusing that the party of the Religious Right sees wisdom in a woman who hated the notion of God almost as much as she hated and feared the idea of being part of a family.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:39 AM)

However, another big issue is cultural differences. We do have a sense of humor, it's just different than in other cultures because it is a product of a different culture. Simply put, what you might find incredibly funny is considered unfunny by Germans... and vice versa.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:38 AM)

It's actually a multi-faceted issue. Yes, some Germans are incredibly devoid of humor, although those people exist in other countries too. I have no ideas regarding statistics, but these people exist.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:37 AM)

So, about this long-standing stereotype that "Germans have no sense of humor"...

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 03:49 AM)

I got enough Rand fighting my way through the Sword of Truth series. I can't imagine trying to read the original work.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 02:39 AM)

All the people who like Rand should go live in a big underwater city. I cannot foresee anything that could go wrong with such a scenario.

@  MidnightFox : (19 October 2018 - 01:13 AM)

Everyone needs to stop reading Rand

@  Tieria Prime : (18 October 2018 - 10:54 PM)

Gotten a new Gundam gunpla toy model kit 

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 October 2018 - 09:47 PM)

Ugh it's ridiculous how some people worship Rand's ideas.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2018 - 09:07 PM)

That's one of the things the old cable companies got right: Only one or two options per area. The illusion of choice.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2018 - 08:48 PM)

business types need to stop reading Ayn Rand.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2018 - 07:29 PM)

The streaming services are starting to get too saturated and start canabilising each other.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 October 2018 - 06:50 PM)

Good thing I never bought into VRV...Funimation is pulling out. And I got into HiDive at $4 a month.

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2018 - 10:21 AM)

The restauraunt messes up your food, you complain to customer service. Complain to 911 when you get food poisoning from said food.

@  MEDdMI : (18 October 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Ugh. I hate people sometimes.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

I mean, white people are calling the cops on black people for random shit lately, it appears.

@  Pennpenn : (18 October 2018 - 02:49 AM)

It's not that surprising that some people freaked out enough over Youtube being down that they'd call emergency services. I mean, I've heard of at least one instance of someone calling 911 because the restaurant didn't make a cheeseburger to their liking.


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#1 Nevermore

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:13 PM

Hasbro usually has (at least) two sets of promotional stock images.

The first set (also known as "press images") used to depict hand-painted resin prototypes prior to mid-2014. From wave 4 of Combiner Wars onwards, those were replaced by CG renders. Photos of prototypes are still used for redecos and re-releases of toys designed prior to Combiner Wars (such as Titans Return Cosmos, Power of the Primes Skrapnel or the Platinum Edition Autobot Heroes set).

The second set usually depicts (near) final pre-production samples, typically including photos of the tos inside their packaging.


However, there apparently used to be no communication between whoever was responsible for each of the sets, so the figures would typically be depicted in very different poses, and the alternate modes would sometimes face opposite directions. Mistransformations could happen in both sets, but usually you wouldn't see the same mistransformation in both sets. The CG renders don't include actual mistransformations for the most part (although PotP Hun-Gurrr is missing his head in some renders depicted on his packaging).


Starting with Power of the Primes and Studio Series, though, I've noticed that the second set often tries to mimick the poses from the early CG renders, with various degrees of accuracy.

Here are some examples:
W1_Slash_render_robot_01a.jpg W1_Slash_robot_01b.jpg
W1_Windcharger_render_robot_01a.jpg W1_Windcharger_robot_01b.jpg
W1_Evolution_Optimus_Prime_render_robot_02a.jpg W1_Evolution_Optimus_Prime_robot_02d.jpg
W2_Elita-1_render_robot_01a.jpg W2_Elita-1_robot_01b.jpg
W2_Hun-Gurrr_render_robot_02a.jpg W2_Hun-Gurrr_robot_01a.jpg
Wave_1_Stinger_robot_render.jpg Wave_1_Stinger_robot.jpg

Edited by Nevermore, 23 April 2018 - 03:16 PM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
- Volker Pispers, German comedian

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:15 PM

More:
Wave_2_Jazz_robot_render.jpg Wave_2_Jazz_robot.jpg
Wave_2_Lockdown_robot_render.jpg Wave_2_Lockdown_robot.jpg
Wave_2_Brawl_robot_render.jpg Wave_2_Brawl_robot.jpg
Wave_2_Megatron_robot_render.jpg Wave_2_Megatron_robot.jpg
Wave_1_Grimlock_robot_render.jpg Wave_1_Grimlock_robota.jpg

Edited by Nevermore, 23 April 2018 - 03:18 PM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
- Volker Pispers, German comedian

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:26 PM

Ok.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:48 PM

Weird but kinda interesting.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:01 PM

Huh. I was wondering when Hasbro would start doing something like this.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:16 PM

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:30 AM

I personally find this fascinating. Like, I don't know what it means, but everything is slightly weirder now. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:32 AM

I think it was weirder in the earlier days when the CG render people and the photography people seemed to be working entirely independently of each other.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:41 AM

It never would have occurred to me that the poses were a consistent part of the toy's marketing representation. I'd assumed the CG people and the stock photo people were just told to make it look cool, and we got whatever they came up with. This makes sense in that the CG people undoubtedly have a clearer idea of what they're doing and the stock photo people demonstrably haven't, but the result is ... it's a little uncanny, honestly.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:04 AM

I miss the days when we got stock photos of horrifically mangled, mistransformed toys that had probably been transformed by some bored intern.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 04:56 PM

A lot of this is also down to timing- The renders are almost always done before or while the toy is actually in physical production; the photography is done after actual painted resin model or toy production... which means after packaging layouts have been composed around the renders.  This used to not be a big deal, but now that the renders take up as much space as possible and have to juggle space for all languages on the same box/card, those layouts get locked down.  If a render is somehow botched at the last minute and there's stock photography available, that stock photography had better fit in that exact same space.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:54 PM

This thread reminded me how weird I thought it was when Universe Stormcloud's stock photo was pretty much identical to Powerglide's in pose but wasn't just the first image photoshopped.  It wasn't helped that Stormcloud's deco was pretty much already paint program inverted Powerglide.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 05:04 AM

This thread reminded me how weird I thought it was when Universe Stormcloud's stock photo was pretty much identical to Powerglide's in pose but wasn't just the first image photoshopped.  It wasn't helped that Stormcloud's deco was pretty much already paint program inverted Powerglide.


You mean this?
Universe-Ultra-Figures-0004_1203364898.jpg Storm2_1214475091.jpg
"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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