Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Squawkbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

Please don't post Youtube videos in the chat box. The forums software auto embeds them. 

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 September 2020 - 11:58 PM)

Aw I scratched the hood of my 35th anniversary Bluestreak. Fortunately he's in robot mode a lot.

@  Sabrblade : (25 September 2020 - 07:24 PM)

No decoration could improve the wall more than Knockout himself

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 September 2020 - 05:04 PM)

The wall could use some decorating, though. Maybe a nice shelf or a portrait.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 04:32 PM)

I'm laughing so hard XDDD

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 September 2020 - 02:31 PM)

He doesn't even mind this time. You know what? It's comfortable here.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 02:23 PM)

AND THEN KNOCKOUT WAS IN THE WALL AGAIN XDDD

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2020 - 01:11 PM)

is an annoying stage in Super Mario World.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 September 2020 - 02:15 PM)

Gnarly.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 September 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Beast Era, a blonde rat called Sunsqueaker.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2020 - 01:00 PM)

And then Knockout was in the wall again.

@  Sabrblade : (24 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Knockout: "Ooh, sorry, Lord Megatron. The correct word was... 'Decepticon'."

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 September 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Knockout: *while doing a crossword puzzle* Lord Megatron, whats a ten letter word for disappointment? | Megatron: ...... Starscream.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 September 2020 - 01:20 PM)

@Bass X0 Shockwave did it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 11:56 AM)

At least it's not Suntwerker.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

I read that name as "suntweaker" the first time, and was terrified for a moment...

@  Bass X0 : (23 September 2020 - 03:41 AM)

Prowl did nothing wrong.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 01:50 AM)

Smashy, Stabby, Selfy, and Shieldy.

@  Xero Prime : (22 September 2020 - 08:52 PM)

RunFast, MuckyTrail, TrackBreaker and Sunstreaker

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 September 2020 - 06:16 AM)

Runamuck, Fasttrack, Sunstreaker, and Trailbreaker.

@  Nevermore : (22 September 2020 - 06:13 AM)

Cardboard and plastic.

@  Paladin : (22 September 2020 - 05:52 AM)

what's IN Wave 3, anyway?

@  Telly : (21 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

i dont think theyre due for release until november. at least thats when target says ill get trailbreaker and sunstreaker. thought the wiki says theyre out in singapore

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 September 2020 - 06:01 PM)

Has wave 3 actually reached anywhere yet?

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 September 2020 - 04:40 PM)

A few more Bearimy's for Earthrise wave 3 to reach the UK

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 05:07 PM)

Cheers pal.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2020 - 04:42 PM)

Welcome aboard!

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 04:38 PM)

Hey, new to the boards

@  RichardT1977 : (20 September 2020 - 02:29 PM)

I had an idea for a Spiral Zone/Go-Busters crossover fanfic...

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.


Photo

The Last of Us


57 replies to this topic

#41 Caldwin

Caldwin

    Boomerang Master

  • Supporter
  • 26239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:You don't wanna know
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 22 June 2020 - 06:39 PM

Okay...I haven't finished this, but I think I've had enough experience with it to give some thoughts on it.

First of, I want to like this. I really reeeeeally want to like this. I spent $100 for the Collectors Edition. I used Game Stops layaway form of preordering to make it a bit more painless. But that's still a hefty price. I also paid $100+ for Last of Us II branded headphones. I used a bit of the stimulus check for that to make it a bit more painless. But that's still a hefty price. I watched all the trailers, the E3 presentations...I replayed Last of Us and Left Behind to prepare. I really...reeeeeeally want to like this. And given how much $$$ I've put into this, I'm going to see it through to the end.

But the thing is, I started off being an apologist for this game. Every time I saw a complaint I'd be like, "well, yeah, but," or "we were predicting that since the very first teaser, so what?"

But here's the thing. The more I play, the more pissed off I'm getting. It's one thing to get emotionally invested in a game and be left speechless. Mass Effect had that effect on me many times and that's my most played franchise ever. But this has truly gone on to piss me off. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that I'm still going to play because, like I said, I have too much money sank into this to not see it through to the end. But here's a little thing about how manipulative this thing has gotten.

Seriously, major spoilers. Like MAJOR SPOILERS.

Spoiler


Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!
PSN = Caldwin

Switch = SW-7457-8143-2029

Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.

Before you do anything you can't undo...National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255

#42 AgentOrange

AgentOrange
  • Citizen
  • 1445 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:01 PM

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!


I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

#43 Maruten

Maruten
  • Staff
  • 7855 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:32 PM

I'm not really interested in defending any of their choices, and I don't really have a dog in this race, I didn't even finish the first game. Clearly they've pushed certain things too far. They could have told the same story with the same beats and the same impact and the same moral... flippiness... without being so graphic. Or they could have avoided making the "villain" such a significant part of the gameplay and had as graphic a game as they wanted but with fewer complaints. 

 

I don't think it's a game for me, but I think their decisions were valid and well considered - they clearly created this game very deliberately with a very specific goal in terms of what they wanted us to think and feel. Maybe the end result is a crap game, but it's obviously the game they wanted it to be so... okay, sure. 

 

There are a lot of games being churned out all the time. There's certainly a place for games this bleak and disturbing, even if it's a small place at one far end of some spectrum. 

 

Spoiler


WsuGTl1.jpg


#44 Monique

Monique

    Chaotic Neutral

  • Retired Staff
  • 8602 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Faction::Lesbian Ninja

Posted 22 June 2020 - 08:50 PM

 

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!


I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.

 

I mean I'm not sure how else one would view her.

 

But yeah if you're mad at the game now you're going to be livid by the end Caldwin.

 

The game is hella manipulative. And not in clever or subtle way. Despite that you can feel the devs patting themselves on the back all throughout it tho. Just slapping away at how smart and profound their game is.

 

Also just as added out of game dickery, Naughty Dogs tweet yesterday was pretty messed up.



#45 AgentOrange

AgentOrange
  • Citizen
  • 1445 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:36 PM

 

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!

I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.
 
I mean I'm not sure how else one would view her.

I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie and I see Joel as the worst person in the series. There's no heroes here and she's no worse than the other player characters.
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

#46 ultra magnus13

ultra magnus13

    Razzaroo

  • Citizen
  • 6894 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Free Agent

Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:04 PM

My progress has been pretty slow due to only being able to play after the kids go to sleep. Only just got to day 2 last night. Definitely brutal so far, though that was fully expected.
 
This comment caught my attention
 

Even the positive reviews

 
so I took a quick look at Metacritic. After taking a glance at some other PS4 games for comparison, I don't for a second believe that there have been 30,000 real user reviews submitted for the game already. Looks like someone's trying hard to tank its user score.

From what I understand there was a pretty major plot leak before it came out, that featured many of the polarizing parts being described in this very thread, I imagine a lot of reviews where given, solely off of that.
I finally got rid of that big white box.

#47 Rust

Rust

    Slightly Off

  • Supporter
  • 48322 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nebraska
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 23 June 2020 - 04:15 AM

.


I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 

I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 



#48 AgentOrange

AgentOrange
  • Citizen
  • 1445 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 23 June 2020 - 06:58 AM

.
I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 
I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 

It's what Joel does that taints Abby. And she's as much a protagonist as Joel or Ellie at this point.
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

#49 Exatron

Exatron

    Kaiser Dragon

  • Citizen
  • 1956 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan
  • Faction::Decepticon

Posted 23 June 2020 - 02:44 PM

 

My progress has been pretty slow due to only being able to play after the kids go to sleep. Only just got to day 2 last night. Definitely brutal so far, though that was fully expected.

 

This comment caught my attention

 

Even the positive reviews

 

so I took a quick look at Metacritic. After taking a glance at some other PS4 games for comparison, I don't for a second believe that there have been 30,000 real user reviews submitted for the game already. Looks like someone's trying hard to tank its user score.

I was talking about actual reviews. Like for example the "misery simulator" comment came from Kotaku review. The torture porn comment actually is one that's been following around Part 2 since the trailers came out, dotted commentary over the last couple years referring it to that. I think one site combined the two into Misery Porn.

 

I've been watching people play it. I've been watching people stop playing it because they said they couldn't take anymore of it. Watched one dude destroy his disk. There is no doubt that people are review bombing it on metacritic but there are plenty of real life people going "This is not an experience I want to subject myself to anymore" and even with review bots bombing it there are plenty of social media posts echoing the same thing.

 

Just wanted to say, I hadn't been trying to reply to anything. Something about the wording of "Even the positive reviews" made me curious about how the reviews were looking, since I hadn't checked before. My comment about the score getting manipulated was just stating what I see. No statement about the validity of the real reviews, good or bad, was intended. Just a comment that it's obvious people are trying to manipulate the score.

 

From what I understand there was a pretty major plot leak before it came out, that featured many of the polarizing parts being described in this very thread, I imagine a lot of reviews where given, solely off of that.

 

Entirely possible. Likely, even. It's the sheer quantity of reviews though that make me call BS. I took a look at the pages for several other top PS4 games. None of them broke 4,000 lifetime user reviews. Yet this game has over 30,000? I don't buy it. I should note that it's likewise obvious that the positive review scores are padded too, but it's the negative side that's just mind-numbingly blatant.

 

Beyond that, I'm going to drop out of the thread until I finish the game. I just finished day 2 after staying up way too late last night. So far, I'm enjoying it. I can understand some of the complaints, but if any of that is ever going to get to the point of bothering me, I haven't reached it yet. I want to get back to avoiding anything that might give me any spoilers until I finish it.



#50 Rust

Rust

    Slightly Off

  • Supporter
  • 48322 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nebraska
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 23 June 2020 - 08:42 PM

 

 

.
I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 
I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 

It's what Joel does that taints Abby. And she's as much a protagonist as Joel or Ellie at this point.

 

I'll grant that interpretation, but the problem as I see it is she's a protagonist born of an action in the first game that people disliked. That there was no choice to it. And that's part of the point much in the same way the opening sequence in the first game is what caused Joel not to give the player that choice at the end.

 

I feel like I'm rambling. What I'm getting at is if we allow Abby the title of protagonist, then it has to be understood that she's a protagonist due to what is regarded as the weakest sequence of the first game. And that's not the best of foundations to build a new protagonist on. Especially not when, as I understand it, a lot of Abby's backstory is relayed after the player's initial impression of her character is already established.

 

That's a narrative that takes herculean effort to pull off well, doubly so within the confines of a gaming narrative where the story progresses only as fast as the player desires it to.



#51 Caldwin

Caldwin

    Boomerang Master

  • Supporter
  • 26239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:You don't wanna know
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 24 June 2020 - 06:52 PM

I finished it. I wanted to love it. Then I hated it. Right now... I'm too hugging exhausted from it to know how to feel. I'm not pumped up loving it. I'm not riled up hating it. I'm just so...hugging...exhausted.

Edited by Caldwin, 24 June 2020 - 06:54 PM.

PSN = Caldwin

Switch = SW-7457-8143-2029

Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.

Before you do anything you can't undo...National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255

#52 AgentOrange

AgentOrange
  • Citizen
  • 1445 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Maximal

Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:26 PM

I finished it. I wanted to love it. Then I hated it. Right now... I'm too hugging exhausted from it to know how to feel. I'm not pumped up loving it. I'm not riled up hating it. I'm just so...hugging...exhausted.


Then you feel like Ellie and it did its job. Go play guitar.
You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer

#53 Caldwin

Caldwin

    Boomerang Master

  • Supporter
  • 26239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:You don't wanna know
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 26 June 2020 - 06:33 PM



I loved every minute of this.
PSN = Caldwin

Switch = SW-7457-8143-2029

Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.

Before you do anything you can't undo...National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255

#54 Caldwin

Caldwin

    Boomerang Master

  • Supporter
  • 26239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:You don't wanna know
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 29 June 2020 - 10:34 AM

I finished this several days ago, but wanted to give myself some cool down time. To go with my above comments...

Spoiler


I'm not angry anymore. I'm just disappointed.

So here's my final score.

Graphics, music and gameplay are all top notch. I can't deny how beautiful this is and how smooth the gameplay is. And I absolutely love the soundtrack. 9/10

Story...I'm sorry but a game like this, the story is too integral to not have an impact. For the reasons I've stated in previous posts and above in this post...not to mention some behind the scenes stuff that's making me not like Naughty Dog in general and Neil Druckman in particular...story gets a 2/10.

Overall 6/10
Honestly, in my anger I wanted to give it a 1/10. But after cooling down, I realized that emotion was getting the best of me and that 1/10 was just stupid. But like I said, the story is a big part of the game. So I'm going to have to say 6/10. Not a great score, but honestly better than I thought I'd give.
PSN = Caldwin

Switch = SW-7457-8143-2029

Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.

Before you do anything you can't undo...National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255

#55 Exatron

Exatron

    Kaiser Dragon

  • Citizen
  • 1956 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Michigan
  • Faction::Decepticon

Posted 01 July 2020 - 12:46 PM

I just finished the game last night after way too many nights staying up WAY too late. It's a hell of a ride. I'm not sure that "fun" or "enjoyable" are really the right words to describe it, but suffice it to say my feelings toward it are positive. I expect I'll probably remain partial to the first one, but I definitely consider it a worthy sequel.



#56 Caldwin

Caldwin

    Boomerang Master

  • Supporter
  • 26239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:You don't wanna know
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:38 PM

Having time to cool down is helpful. I definitely wouldn't suggest this to someone who doesn't own it yet. I don't like the story. I don't like how transparently manipulative the writing is. I don't like how the promotional material outright lies to you (as in some people have gone so far to say 'false advertising' and I can't really disagree). Naughty Dog has been outright toxic to reviewers and fans. I really don't feel like giving NG any more of my money from now on.

But, in a whole "well I already own it so I might as well" kinda way, I might...MIGHT play this again sometime in the far future.

It's just one of those times I'm sorry that they didn't leave it alone after the first game.
PSN = Caldwin

Switch = SW-7457-8143-2029

Mornings are for coffee and contemplation.

Before you do anything you can't undo...National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255

#57 Dave Zero1

Dave Zero1
  • Citizen
  • 2609 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
  • Faction::RIBFIR

Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:44 PM

So I went out for a walk and I totally fixed the problems with "the last of us Part 2" in my head.
So... Spoilers for the last of us Part 2, obviously.
 
Spoiler
 
But, y'know... what we got was *hurrkk...* fine too... 


#58 BlitzwingHaz

BlitzwingHaz

    "Wooo! I'm freaking out!"

  • Citizen
  • 16335 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Scotland

Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:25 AM

Im on the same page as you guys, I was so stoked for this game and by the end I just felt burnt out and angry.

I don't even like Ellie's character anymore as a result of the events of the game.

It doesn't help that we are living through such bleak times, so this game is not what people need right now which is unfortunate.





Reply to this topic



  


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users