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@  Maximus Ambus : (29 September 2020 - 01:35 AM)

Ever notice Kath SOucie's Janine in the later episodes of Real Ghostbusters sounds like Tara Strong's Sari Sumdac?

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 September 2020 - 02:10 PM)

I wish they were more universal like Beast Wars, Animated or Prime and as professionally done,

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 September 2020 - 02:06 PM)

The Netflix shows are done for adults, the Generation toyline is for adults who grew up with G1.

@  Sabrblade : (28 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Who said it ever was?

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Whatever happened to WFC Earthrise being a kids show X'D

@  wonko the sane? : (28 September 2020 - 11:43 AM)

Cool, my last tablet couldn't run it, and I stopped caring by the time I got the new one. So thanks!

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:27 AM)

There are crossover characters, but the amount and distribution... Marvel Vs Capcom this ain't.  If @wonko the sane? my bad!

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:21 AM)

I've been playing for *checks account* 1002 days, 23 hours.  So, by 2021, it will have been three years.  I think it takes place in its own continuity, largely inspired by G1 but borrowing from other places.

@  Otaku : (28 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

@wonko the sane? Can only speak for Earth Wars, but so few they're easy to forget.

@  wonko the sane? : (28 September 2020 - 07:39 AM)

Didn't they already do the across universes thing in that tablet game?

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:30 AM)

Also, make the setting an amalgamation of different Transformers series, rather than based on a specific one. Bring in things like 'Sentinel Major' as the primo Autobot jerk, and sleek car mode Vehicons as the Decepticons' basic grunt.

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:27 AM)

KT just needs to incorporate the vehicle modes into the combat system, like Platinum did for Devastation, so they're for more than just wheeling it across the battlefield. =P

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 05:25 AM)

Transformers: Warriors of Cybertron! =D

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (28 September 2020 - 05:15 AM)

I want a Power Rangers Mosu. I would also take a Transformers Mosu. :D

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 September 2020 - 04:50 AM)

It even ended on a sequel hook.

@  Demovere Xeno : (28 September 2020 - 04:40 AM)

Man, I just want another Devastation game... =(

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 September 2020 - 01:53 AM)

Aren't TFs way more varied than Joes, as far as they'd work in gameplay? Like, Omega Supreme is vastly different from Bumblebee.

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 10:16 PM)

Hell, ripoff Super Robot Wars withTFs

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 10:16 PM)

IDK they could make something like FF tactics or Fire Emblem ripoff with Robots and i'd buy it

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 September 2020 - 09:43 PM)

See, I feel GI Joe (with it's varied cast) is a better fit for a strategy game, where as Transformers feels more suited for a shooter.

@  Maruten : (27 September 2020 - 08:28 PM)

I might give them points for making a strategy game if it's actually a good strategy game.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 07:48 PM)

I mean, points for making a strategy game instead of third person shooter, but: urrrrgggg. Cyberverse.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 07:47 PM)

A transformers game for the switch? *checks* Urrrggg... cyberverse...

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 September 2020 - 06:28 PM)

October will be a big month for Hasbro fans: Zoids, GI Joe AND Transformers all have brand new console games. All on the Switch at that!

@  wonko the sane? : (27 September 2020 - 09:04 AM)

At least in animated he was more driven than just "loyal bootlick".

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2020 - 08:29 AM)

Oof, That's a huge downgrade

@  Maximus Ambus : (27 September 2020 - 02:35 AM)

After rewatching Animated Sound and Fury, in my head canon Titans Return Soundwave is that Soundwave.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:09 PM)

On an unrelated note: I just got the BBTS email about kingdom pre-orders... and even the stuff I don't want I'm perfectly willing to get if it means I can have the rest of it.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:08 PM)

It's digimon. So first one, then the other.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

50/50 odds, it's either a helicopter with limbs, or a scantily-clad human with heli blades on their back. If female, 90% odds on the second one.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2020 - 12:39 PM)

I read that as "Helicoptermon" and wondered what kind of Digimon that was.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2020 - 12:35 PM)

Helicopter-mom, transform!

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 September 2020 - 11:58 PM)

Aw I scratched the hood of my 35th anniversary Bluestreak. Fortunately he's in robot mode a lot.

@  Sabrblade : (25 September 2020 - 07:24 PM)

No decoration could improve the wall more than Knockout himself

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 September 2020 - 05:04 PM)

The wall could use some decorating, though. Maybe a nice shelf or a portrait.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 04:32 PM)

I'm laughing so hard XDDD

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 September 2020 - 02:31 PM)

He doesn't even mind this time. You know what? It's comfortable here.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 02:23 PM)

AND THEN KNOCKOUT WAS IN THE WALL AGAIN XDDD

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2020 - 01:11 PM)

is an annoying stage in Super Mario World.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 September 2020 - 02:15 PM)

Gnarly.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 September 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Beast Era, a blonde rat called Sunsqueaker.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2020 - 01:00 PM)

And then Knockout was in the wall again.

@  Sabrblade : (24 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Knockout: "Ooh, sorry, Lord Megatron. The correct word was... 'Decepticon'."

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 September 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Knockout: *while doing a crossword puzzle* Lord Megatron, whats a ten letter word for disappointment? | Megatron: ...... Starscream.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 September 2020 - 01:20 PM)

@Bass X0 Shockwave did it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 11:56 AM)

At least it's not Suntwerker.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

I read that name as "suntweaker" the first time, and was terrified for a moment...

@  Bass X0 : (23 September 2020 - 03:41 AM)

Prowl did nothing wrong.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 01:50 AM)

Smashy, Stabby, Selfy, and Shieldy.

@  Xero Prime : (22 September 2020 - 08:52 PM)

RunFast, MuckyTrail, TrackBreaker and Sunstreaker


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#41 Caldwin

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Posted 22 June 2020 - 06:39 PM

Okay...I haven't finished this, but I think I've had enough experience with it to give some thoughts on it.

First of, I want to like this. I really reeeeeally want to like this. I spent $100 for the Collectors Edition. I used Game Stops layaway form of preordering to make it a bit more painless. But that's still a hefty price. I also paid $100+ for Last of Us II branded headphones. I used a bit of the stimulus check for that to make it a bit more painless. But that's still a hefty price. I watched all the trailers, the E3 presentations...I replayed Last of Us and Left Behind to prepare. I really...reeeeeeally want to like this. And given how much $$$ I've put into this, I'm going to see it through to the end.

But the thing is, I started off being an apologist for this game. Every time I saw a complaint I'd be like, "well, yeah, but," or "we were predicting that since the very first teaser, so what?"

But here's the thing. The more I play, the more pissed off I'm getting. It's one thing to get emotionally invested in a game and be left speechless. Mass Effect had that effect on me many times and that's my most played franchise ever. But this has truly gone on to piss me off. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that I'm still going to play because, like I said, I have too much money sank into this to not see it through to the end. But here's a little thing about how manipulative this thing has gotten.

Seriously, major spoilers. Like MAJOR SPOILERS.

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Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!
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Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:01 PM

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!


I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.
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Posted 22 June 2020 - 07:32 PM

I'm not really interested in defending any of their choices, and I don't really have a dog in this race, I didn't even finish the first game. Clearly they've pushed certain things too far. They could have told the same story with the same beats and the same impact and the same moral... flippiness... without being so graphic. Or they could have avoided making the "villain" such a significant part of the gameplay and had as graphic a game as they wanted but with fewer complaints. 

 

I don't think it's a game for me, but I think their decisions were valid and well considered - they clearly created this game very deliberately with a very specific goal in terms of what they wanted us to think and feel. Maybe the end result is a crap game, but it's obviously the game they wanted it to be so... okay, sure. 

 

There are a lot of games being churned out all the time. There's certainly a place for games this bleak and disturbing, even if it's a small place at one far end of some spectrum. 

 

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Posted 22 June 2020 - 08:50 PM

 

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!


I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.

 

I mean I'm not sure how else one would view her.

 

But yeah if you're mad at the game now you're going to be livid by the end Caldwin.

 

The game is hella manipulative. And not in clever or subtle way. Despite that you can feel the devs patting themselves on the back all throughout it tho. Just slapping away at how smart and profound their game is.

 

Also just as added out of game dickery, Naughty Dogs tweet yesterday was pretty messed up.



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Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:36 PM

 

Arrgh! This sucks so hugging much. If I hadn't sunk so much money into this, I'd really want to stop right here. This just isn't pleasant. I don't like it. I want to stop playing right here. But I sunk so much into this already! GAH!

I think the problem here viewing Abby as a villain character. But if you don't like it, stop playing it. You can easily flip the Collector's Edition for what you paid for it at retail.
 
I mean I'm not sure how else one would view her.

I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie and I see Joel as the worst person in the series. There's no heroes here and she's no worse than the other player characters.
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Posted 22 June 2020 - 11:04 PM

My progress has been pretty slow due to only being able to play after the kids go to sleep. Only just got to day 2 last night. Definitely brutal so far, though that was fully expected.
 
This comment caught my attention
 

Even the positive reviews

 
so I took a quick look at Metacritic. After taking a glance at some other PS4 games for comparison, I don't for a second believe that there have been 30,000 real user reviews submitted for the game already. Looks like someone's trying hard to tank its user score.

From what I understand there was a pretty major plot leak before it came out, that featured many of the polarizing parts being described in this very thread, I imagine a lot of reviews where given, solely off of that.
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Posted 23 June 2020 - 04:15 AM

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I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 

I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 



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Posted 23 June 2020 - 06:58 AM

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I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 
I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 

It's what Joel does that taints Abby. And she's as much a protagonist as Joel or Ellie at this point.
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Posted 23 June 2020 - 02:44 PM

 

My progress has been pretty slow due to only being able to play after the kids go to sleep. Only just got to day 2 last night. Definitely brutal so far, though that was fully expected.

 

This comment caught my attention

 

Even the positive reviews

 

so I took a quick look at Metacritic. After taking a glance at some other PS4 games for comparison, I don't for a second believe that there have been 30,000 real user reviews submitted for the game already. Looks like someone's trying hard to tank its user score.

I was talking about actual reviews. Like for example the "misery simulator" comment came from Kotaku review. The torture porn comment actually is one that's been following around Part 2 since the trailers came out, dotted commentary over the last couple years referring it to that. I think one site combined the two into Misery Porn.

 

I've been watching people play it. I've been watching people stop playing it because they said they couldn't take anymore of it. Watched one dude destroy his disk. There is no doubt that people are review bombing it on metacritic but there are plenty of real life people going "This is not an experience I want to subject myself to anymore" and even with review bots bombing it there are plenty of social media posts echoing the same thing.

 

Just wanted to say, I hadn't been trying to reply to anything. Something about the wording of "Even the positive reviews" made me curious about how the reviews were looking, since I hadn't checked before. My comment about the score getting manipulated was just stating what I see. No statement about the validity of the real reviews, good or bad, was intended. Just a comment that it's obvious people are trying to manipulate the score.

 

From what I understand there was a pretty major plot leak before it came out, that featured many of the polarizing parts being described in this very thread, I imagine a lot of reviews where given, solely off of that.

 

Entirely possible. Likely, even. It's the sheer quantity of reviews though that make me call BS. I took a look at the pages for several other top PS4 games. None of them broke 4,000 lifetime user reviews. Yet this game has over 30,000? I don't buy it. I should note that it's likewise obvious that the positive review scores are padded too, but it's the negative side that's just mind-numbingly blatant.

 

Beyond that, I'm going to drop out of the thread until I finish the game. I just finished day 2 after staying up way too late last night. So far, I'm enjoying it. I can understand some of the complaints, but if any of that is ever going to get to the point of bothering me, I haven't reached it yet. I want to get back to avoiding anything that might give me any spoilers until I finish it.



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Posted 23 June 2020 - 08:42 PM

 

 

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I don't see her as having done anything worse than Ellie

 

 
I'd argue it's what Abby does that makes Ellie no better than her. In which case Abby most definitely is a villain, since her actions are ultimately what "taint" the principle protagonist of the series.
 

It's what Joel does that taints Abby. And she's as much a protagonist as Joel or Ellie at this point.

 

I'll grant that interpretation, but the problem as I see it is she's a protagonist born of an action in the first game that people disliked. That there was no choice to it. And that's part of the point much in the same way the opening sequence in the first game is what caused Joel not to give the player that choice at the end.

 

I feel like I'm rambling. What I'm getting at is if we allow Abby the title of protagonist, then it has to be understood that she's a protagonist due to what is regarded as the weakest sequence of the first game. And that's not the best of foundations to build a new protagonist on. Especially not when, as I understand it, a lot of Abby's backstory is relayed after the player's initial impression of her character is already established.

 

That's a narrative that takes herculean effort to pull off well, doubly so within the confines of a gaming narrative where the story progresses only as fast as the player desires it to.



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 06:52 PM

I finished it. I wanted to love it. Then I hated it. Right now... I'm too hugging exhausted from it to know how to feel. I'm not pumped up loving it. I'm not riled up hating it. I'm just so...hugging...exhausted.

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 08:26 PM

I finished it. I wanted to love it. Then I hated it. Right now... I'm too hugging exhausted from it to know how to feel. I'm not pumped up loving it. I'm not riled up hating it. I'm just so...hugging...exhausted.


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Posted 26 June 2020 - 06:33 PM



I loved every minute of this.
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Posted 29 June 2020 - 10:34 AM

I finished this several days ago, but wanted to give myself some cool down time. To go with my above comments...

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I'm not angry anymore. I'm just disappointed.

So here's my final score.

Graphics, music and gameplay are all top notch. I can't deny how beautiful this is and how smooth the gameplay is. And I absolutely love the soundtrack. 9/10

Story...I'm sorry but a game like this, the story is too integral to not have an impact. For the reasons I've stated in previous posts and above in this post...not to mention some behind the scenes stuff that's making me not like Naughty Dog in general and Neil Druckman in particular...story gets a 2/10.

Overall 6/10
Honestly, in my anger I wanted to give it a 1/10. But after cooling down, I realized that emotion was getting the best of me and that 1/10 was just stupid. But like I said, the story is a big part of the game. So I'm going to have to say 6/10. Not a great score, but honestly better than I thought I'd give.
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Posted 01 July 2020 - 12:46 PM

I just finished the game last night after way too many nights staying up WAY too late. It's a hell of a ride. I'm not sure that "fun" or "enjoyable" are really the right words to describe it, but suffice it to say my feelings toward it are positive. I expect I'll probably remain partial to the first one, but I definitely consider it a worthy sequel.



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 01:38 PM

Having time to cool down is helpful. I definitely wouldn't suggest this to someone who doesn't own it yet. I don't like the story. I don't like how transparently manipulative the writing is. I don't like how the promotional material outright lies to you (as in some people have gone so far to say 'false advertising' and I can't really disagree). Naughty Dog has been outright toxic to reviewers and fans. I really don't feel like giving NG any more of my money from now on.

But, in a whole "well I already own it so I might as well" kinda way, I might...MIGHT play this again sometime in the far future.

It's just one of those times I'm sorry that they didn't leave it alone after the first game.
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:44 PM

So I went out for a walk and I totally fixed the problems with "the last of us Part 2" in my head.
So... Spoilers for the last of us Part 2, obviously.
 
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But, y'know... what we got was *hurrkk...* fine too... 


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:25 AM

Im on the same page as you guys, I was so stoked for this game and by the end I just felt burnt out and angry.

I don't even like Ellie's character anymore as a result of the events of the game.

It doesn't help that we are living through such bleak times, so this game is not what people need right now which is unfortunate.





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