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@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.


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#7781 Dake

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 12:28 PM

 

Did those people go on to found TFW? Because that's how that exchange reads.

 

I don't know precisely when you came in, but within the existing fandom, that was how everyone was for at least a year of BW. A huge chunk of the early BW fandom were newcomers.

 

 

Yeah, I didn't actively join the fandom until much later (here in fact in '04). I stumbled across BW sometime in reruns in '99 and fell in love pretty quickly. Strangely, I didn't have much trouble finding many of the toys at my local Wal-mart or the TRU near work. Even coming in that late, I still owned Inferno for example.


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Posted 24 August 2019 - 12:34 PM

You might be surprised how many of the apparently normal people around you here were originally all "bleh bring back the real TFs" in 1996!

 

Personally I was all for them but my secret shame is that I insisted there was no reason Primal and Megatron couldn't be the G1 guys no matter what the story editors said.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 01:02 PM

I'm not really surprised. It's just funny to read people saying the same basic thing in some capacity so many years later. I do remember when RiD first appeared in ToyFare Magazine, there was much rejoicing about the return of vehicles to Transformers (I seem to remember X-Brawn in the article).


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Posted 24 August 2019 - 01:27 PM

I hated Beast Wars with a passion because TRUKK NOT MONKEE until I actually sat down and watched the show.


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Posted 24 August 2019 - 01:37 PM

I never had any ill will towards Beast Wars/Machines, they just came out during that period where I was "too old for toys" so I never got into them (except for briefly trying to track down Tripredicus and Magnaboss, because combiners are cool, and i liked the idea that they combined in unique ways instead of the carbon copy scramble city style)

 

Seeing a commercial for RID 2001 (specifically Optimus with missile batteries on his shoulders) was what got me back into Transformers at age 18.  I've bounced in and out of Transformers ever since.


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Posted 24 August 2019 - 02:36 PM

In-hand photos of the Refraktor Reconmaisance Team 3 Pack, courtesy of the Thai Facebook page ความเท่ที่สุดจะยั้ง

https://www.facebook...303741326409873

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 03:51 PM

More stock photos from eBay seller ladypapa:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183925606632
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That appears to be an error for the back of the box. Instead of translated versions of the texts in French, German, Spanish and Portuguese, the English texts are just repeated five times.

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 03:55 PM

Megatron:
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Posted 24 August 2019 - 04:43 PM

Instead of translated versions of the texts in French, German, Spanish and Portuguese, the English texts are just repeated five times.


Each one slower and louder than the previous.

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 04:59 PM

That reversing of the colors used on Optimus's face from the intial images is... not good.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 05:06 PM

 

Instead of translated versions of the texts in French, German, Spanish and Portuguese, the English texts are just repeated five times.


Each one slower and louder than the previous.

 

 

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 05:12 PM

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:21 PM

I never truly understood the "trukk not munkee" thing that happened during Beast Wars. Importantly for me, Beast Wars was something new. It wasn't the dusty old Transformers I had given up my fandom of in the past. If it wasn't something new, I almost certainly wouldn't be a Transformers fan now.

 

I was born into a time where Transformers were still a young thing. I adored The Return of Optimus Prime (and still do). I grew up loving Headmasters and Powermasters and such. But I was never anti-Beast Wars. I knew no one who was anti-Beast Wars. I fell out of love with Transformers during G2. When Beast Wars came out I was like "Nah, I'm done with Transformers now". My sister got Iguanus entirely because she loves lizards. Then I noticed how amazing Iguanus was compared to what I knew Transformers toys to be. I missed the end of G2 when they first gained the articulation. My dad must have picked up on my fascination because he bought me a Waspinator. I soon was watching the show (first episode was Fallen Comrades) and loving it. My exposure to Beast Wars was me seeing it with "new eyes" like I had with G1. I was surprised later when we got the internet and I learned being anti-Beast Wars was even a thing.

 

Then during Beast Machines my love for Transformers dried up again. I stopped watching the show halfway through and dropped the toyline. I tried to convince myself it was because the show was bad. In reality I was scarred from my time on the bwtf.com message board. I was an accidental troll there and people hated me. Then I turned to intentional troll behavior because of that hate until the stress became too much for me. My first exposure to a fandom weighed heavily on my mind, and I went through a weird "G1 or nothing" phase to escape from my experience. When that didn't work, I dropped Transformers altogether. I didn't know when Beast Machines ended. I didn't know anything about RiD except a few pictures I saw. It wasn't until I accidentally found Dave Van Domelen's site after a curious search that things changed. Seeing Dave's reviews for Transformers Armada toys made me excited for Transformers like I was a little kid again. Armada was something new, unlike what I had known before from Transformers. I saw Transformers with "new eyes" for a third time. I haven't dropped Transformers since. I'm running out of space to put toys, though.

 

For me, G1, Beast Wars, and Armada represent the three stages in my life where Transformers took hold. Beast Wars and Armada which were so NEW, such reinvention from what I knew, they were able to make me forget about having "grown out of" Transformers, regardless of reasons. And that way-too-long story of my passion is why I'd like a major re-imagining of TF again like we had with Beast Wars and the Unicron Trilogy instead of it always needing to be G1 evergreen. And also why I think there really should be a lot more Beast Wars and Armada characters in Generations.

 

Thank you. /New Noise

 

(Still itching to get my hands on that Refraktor pack in the above images regardless.)



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:29 PM

That reversing of the colors used on Optimus's face from the intial images is... not good.

 

Weird..I think the cel shine on that one's face is photoshopped onto the unpainted plastic. Its shape is inconsistent between pics and it seems to go beyond his chin in a few. The finished sample that got reviewed a few days ago has a full white faceplate painted on, and then the extra cel bit on top of that.

 

I think I like these two cel-shaded guys, though. I passed on the normal versions because I hate the damage paint and Prime's eyebrow truck mode rubs me the wrong way, but the colors make these versions look so much better to me. The shading is weird and keeps them from matching any of the other Siege toys, but I like that they match each other and there's still an empty Prime vs Megatron slot in my collection that they could easily fill.



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Posted 24 August 2019 - 06:54 PM

I remember Service Merchandise as the single place I ever saw a Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia for sale. Just the one time. Couldn't buy it then and never saw her again. (Thankfully a friend found and bought her)

I was against Beast Wars initially because MECHANICALS NOT ANIMALS. Then I watched the show and my tune changed real fast.

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 07:32 PM

I'm the reverse! Couldn't stand the show, but I'd pour over the catalog and want all those cool looking flipchangers and deluxes.  



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Posted 25 August 2019 - 05:42 AM

Why does it look like the three-pack's REFRAKTOR tampo has the first letter italicized?


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Posted 25 August 2019 - 07:02 AM

Why does it look like the three-pack's REFRAKTOR tampo has the first letter italicized?


It is. The original had that first R tilted to fit into the slope of the top of the camera. This one duplicates that, even though the placement on the new figure doesnt make it necessary.

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Posted 25 August 2019 - 08:31 AM

It's technially not really italicized on the original; it's actually only the straight line on the left side that is diagonal. Conversely, on the final "R", it's the right side that's diagonal, only it's not that obvious because the right side of an "R" doesn't feature a straight line. You may notice that the right leg is really stretched out far beyond the confines of the hoop, though.

Whoever did the tampo on the Siege three-pack accessory obviously didn't really understand this and just italicized the first "R" while keeping the final "R" as is, in a maddeningly literal (and also technically inaccurate) recreation of the original's deco.
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Posted 25 August 2019 - 09:13 AM

There have been many aspects of the fandom, shows, toylines, etc. that I just don't like at all over the years.  They come and go.  But the thing is, the wide variety of stuff you can get is amazing to me as I remember when it was unusual to see Action Master Soundwave as I hadn't SEEN a Soundwave outside a flea market for years.  So when people are hugely vocal about how much they hate something, I usually ignore them as they don't grasp the fundamental concept that even if you don't like something, if someone else does and they buy it they are funding future stuff that you MAY like better.

 

This silliness, of course, quickly converts to open mockery for me.

 

"Hasbro distribution sucks, I can't find Walgreens Brainstorm!  It's like hunting Bigfoot!"

 

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"We never get a good Shockwave!"

 

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"Truk not munky!"

 

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