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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

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#7741 Nevermore

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:47 PM

My suggestion for collector packaging would be something like this, minus the plastic windows:
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That way, the packaging can stay closed as per default, but can still be opened easily to check out the toy.
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Posted 21 August 2019 - 05:52 PM

In blocks of ice. Toys are now in the frozen food section next to the fish sticks.

 

When you order a Bumblebee, once guy hacks it out with an ice pick, tosses it to another guy across the room who wraps it in newspaper, and then he tosses that to the cashier, who is lazily chewing on a toothpick and looking at you with undisguised disdain.


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 06:17 PM

Yeah, but what will be different?



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Posted 21 August 2019 - 06:19 PM

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 06:58 PM

My suggestion for collector packaging would be something like this, minus the plastic windows:
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That way, the packaging can stay closed as per default, but can still be opened easily to check out the toy.

Then the problem is the pilfering of pieces.  I worked retail enough that, no mater what it is, from bikes to Razor scooters to fans to kitchenware sets to landline phones to toys, if it is in a box that you can not see in, people will open them up.  And if they end up buying one, it is usually an unopened one.

 

I foresee lots of missing pieces and more toy switching with this. 

 

Probably good that I usually get stuff online now anyways.


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:13 PM

 

My suggestion for collector packaging would be something like this, minus the plastic windows:
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attachicon.gif91CXyOR60pL._SL700_.jpg attachicon.gifA1UzQ53wKzL._SL700_.jpg

That way, the packaging can stay closed as per default, but can still be opened easily to check out the toy.

Then the problem is the pilfering of pieces.  I worked retail enough that, no mater what it is, from bikes to Razor scooters to fans to kitchenware sets to landline phones to toys, if it is in a box that you can not see in, people will open them up.  And if they end up buying one, it is usually an unopened one.

 

I foresee lots of missing pieces and more toy switching with this. 

 

Probably good that I usually get stuff online now anyways.

 

 

Some wouldn't surprise me - I've seen people tear in the boxes to look at toys at Walmarts a couple of times a year.  It is kind of amazing to see.

 

 

This is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but who here is older than dirt and remembers stores like Service Merchandise, BEST, or LaBelle's?  (This is going somewhere.)

 

Amazon has been fond of its "frustration free" packaging as they can just ship it as is - SIOC, ships in own container.  For the online store with a run-of-the-mill customer, it's great - it's brown, you open it, it breaks down, it goes in the garbage.  If you sell to collectors or to a retail shelf, it's undesirable.   It's also where Hasbro is already going with its Transformers Selects line, which just needs to drop the plastic insert to get to its goal of cutting out plastic since the window is already gone.

 

Back in the 1980s (and presumably before, I'm only slightly older than dirt) stores like Service Merchandise and their ilk were part retailer and part "catalog showroom."  That is, you go up there and tell them what you want, and someone sends it out from the back on a conveyor belt - this way you can see video games, dishes, electronics, and other doodads on the store shelves without devoting as much floor space to pegs and shelves of product that can be fondled and otherwise abused.   It wouldn't stun me if some store concepts return to this - Target and Walmart are both already doing something similar by bringing customer orders directly to their cars.

 

Instead, you'd get a display like we sometimes saw at Toys R Us or Target of a tableaux of LEGO or robots or whatever - and then someone gets you your cardboard box.  This would allow for manufacturers to use that rotten blank brown box in more venues, instead delegating "try me" to video displays or a demo unit chained to a shelf.  Nerf has already rid itself of a lot of the plastic with its open-box models, plastic is still used to keep the darts visible and secure though.

 

My hunch - by running over the press release with a magnifying glass - is we'll see a continued reduction in plastic in packaging, but not a complete elimination.   Authentics and 1-Step Changers Cyberverse toys have just a tray, not the traditional outer bubble.   Selects are in a plain cardboard box, with a plastic tray - and that can be changed.   Blind bag toys are  jam-packed with plastic as it is, the Deadpool Chimi Surprise and Littlest Pet Shop Lucky Pets fortune cookies each have a minimum of 4 plastic bags/wrappers per toy.   I can barely imagine how you could secure action figures with small accessories in a package that's not weak to theft, but simple wear-and-tear.  If enough kids fidget with a toy in a store, something could be dislodged and kissed goodbye forever.



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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:30 PM

Doesn't matter what the packaging looks like you still won't be able to find them in the stores.



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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:32 PM

Hasbro could change all of their packaging to plain brown boxes with the Amazon smile on them, and I wouldn't know the difference.


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 10:34 PM

I saw elsewhere on the web that cellophane was biodegradable, but I'm not sure they could make it thick enough.


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 07:21 AM

 


 

This is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but who here is older than dirt and remembers stores like Service Merchandise, BEST, or LaBelle's?  (This is going somewhere.)

 

 

 

 

Me!  :)

 

Last thing I got there was a red eyed Cheetor.  Back when any Cheetor was a rarity (before the green eyed re-release).


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:57 AM

I saw elsewhere on the web that cellophane was biodegradable, but I'm not sure they could make it thick enough.

You wrap a box in 12 yards of it from every direction and you'll probably be covered.


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 09:44 PM

 

 
This is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves, but who here is older than dirt and remembers stores like Service Merchandise, BEST, or LaBelle's?  (This is going somewhere.)
 
 
 
 
Me!  :)
 
Last thing I got there was a red eyed Cheetor.  Back when any Cheetor was a rarity (before the green eyed re-release).

Last thing I got at Service Merchandise was G1 Gears and Windcharger. This was probably in 88 or 89, and I found them on the pegs. They had probably been gathering dust in the back somewhere. Seems like the store closed not too long after that.
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Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:33 PM

Found Rattrap at a Service Merchandise in about 1998 or so in Bloomington, Indiana, long after he should have been on shelves.  Was pretty stoked.  I started collecting Beast Wars late.



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Posted 22 August 2019 - 10:46 PM

I honestly don't remember what I last got from Service Merchandise, but I wager it was either a Beast Wars toy or something from one of Fisher-Price's Great Adventures toylines (anyone remember those? They were like the precursors to the Imaginext toylines with a knights-themed line, a pirate-themed line, and a Wild West-themed line).


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 05:22 AM


I only remember getting one toy from Service Merchandise. Ours was a weird empty cube with a desk at one side and some little windows cut in the walls and small displays in them. No pegs or racks or toys to look through. It always seemed the weirdest store to me as a kid. Anyway I had to go there with my Grandma once and she bought me the figure of the black guy from the Rambo Cartoon Toyline. I assume I picked it out of a catalogue. Only Rambo toy I ever had.

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 05:53 AM

I got BW Inferno there, because that was where Inferno first showed up, for some reason.



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Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:53 AM

I saw a G1 Blitzwing there around 89-90.

Parents wouldnt buy him for me though.

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:57 AM

I don't think I ever bought toys from Service Merchandise. I don't think I bought anything from Service Merchandise.

 

I do remember those commercials they had towards the end of their existence with Lucy and Herman Munster, though. Those were neat.


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