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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 03:47 PM)

LOL bananas

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.


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#1 Fear or Courage

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:45 AM

Since I don't see a topic:

 

https://io9.gizmodo....stic-1823007404

 

Mixed feelings about these. Megatron and Starscream look great, Shockwave and Grimlock look interestingly different, Optimus and Bumblebee are meh.

 

Edit: The first image seems to feature different figures than the rest of the piece, with a Starscream with big, Machine Wars-ish turbines on his wings.


Edited by Fear or Courage, 15 February 2018 - 09:46 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:49 AM

They look pretty interesting (except Starscream's bare lower legs).

 

I like the designs mostly.

 

It is very confusing using (yet again!) the name of a size class for the name of a series.  :wtf


Most of the figures in the first image aren't even talked about it seems.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:50 AM

After taking a minute to think about it, I've decided I'm not immediately into these, but if the show turned out to be really good, it could make me interested.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:50 AM

Good bits:

  • Megatron's honestly really cool tank mode
  • Starscream's Skyquake-esque jet thrusters that won't be on the actual character model
  • Shockwave being a weird crabtank thing

Otherwise, I feel like these are sapping my enthusiasm for Cyberverse as I look at them. There's barely any imagination displayed at all - which is, yes, what we knew Cyberverse would likely be, but that doesn't make it not disappointing.

 

Also, where's Windblade? She's meant to be one of the main characters.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

Article got posted in reverse order, to judge from the phrasing of each section.

 

These all feel pretty Cyber Battalion-ish to me, just with spring-loaded gimmicks added.

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

Man, that Starscream in the group shot is just screaming for a Skyquake redeco.

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

All of these look like good toys for little kids.

None of these look like anything I need to own.* They are all characters I already have in a design and style better keeping with my interest (IE generations.)

I'd consider buying any new/uncommon characters in this style or these toys for a young kid in my life, but otherwise these are an interesting toyetic total pass for me.

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.


-ZacWilliam, the Io9 article suffers from abysmal last minute editing clearly shuffling the explanation of size classes till almost the end after they've been talked about a bunch, and it's pretty clear the Scout part was originally meant to be first.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

I'll take a Skywarp please!

 

I wonder if any of the other Seekers will be in this.  Or if Starscream (and others) will always fill that role.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

Shockwave reminds me of this horror trope where something LOOKS human but then bends-over backwards to walk on all fours and scurry after you like a gross crab-like thing.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:58 AM

So, basically RID but with more Geewun.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:58 AM

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.

Considering the article's listing of a $15 price point and the term "Warrior" class, I think he'll be no different in size than any given modern deluxe class figure.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:00 AM

Shockwave reminds me of this horror trope where something LOOKS human but then bends-over backwards to walk on all fours and scurry after you like a gross crab-like thing.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

Yeah I'm not hating on this, they do look like good toys for kids/new fans. I'd just rather stick with CHUG.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:02 AM

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.

Considering the article's listing of a $15 price point and the term "Warrior" class, I think he'll be no different in size than any given modern deluxe class figure.

I know. It's just I have to see how I feel about that standing with Classics Seekers and Leader Scale Megatron.

-ZacWilliam, it's gonna be shorter than I want, but it's design is very nice, so we'll see...

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:06 AM

I like the aesthetic a lot, but in the end it's basically just a bunch of G1 versions of G1 guys, and so unless the show is really great, or inexplicably still somehow part of Aligned, I doubt I'm going to feel any need to pick any of them up.

That being said, is down as I am on how constantly beholden to the past the current TF teamis, they're not afraid of incorporating gimmicks, which has actually made the last couple of years of Generations something like real toys, and I'll be interested to see what kind of gimmicks they incorporate here.

I mean, come on. Hive Swarm Attack for Bumblebee? That ought to be good stuff.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

Shockwave's alt mode is hilarious.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:10 AM

"But if you grew up with the original toys, and were left confused and disappointed when Optimus Prime was turned into a gorilla.."

Ow, my eyes just rolled out of my head.


Seriously, TFs are now just G1 and Movie? Bleh

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

Meh.

 

Not new news, but I really don't like the current design team's seeming obsession with making Starscream more pointy and angular instead of boxy.

 

Shockwave's alt mode is bad hilarious. Grimlock's design is way too busy and confused.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

Shockwave's alt mode is hilarious.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:13 AM

Seriously, TFs are now just G1 and Movie? Bleh


And Rescue Bots. And be thankful that the main TF team aren't in charge of movie or Rescue Bots, because then it'd just be G1.



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