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@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."


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#1 Fear or Courage

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:45 AM

Since I don't see a topic:

 

https://io9.gizmodo....stic-1823007404

 

Mixed feelings about these. Megatron and Starscream look great, Shockwave and Grimlock look interestingly different, Optimus and Bumblebee are meh.

 

Edit: The first image seems to feature different figures than the rest of the piece, with a Starscream with big, Machine Wars-ish turbines on his wings.


Edited by Fear or Courage, 15 February 2018 - 09:46 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:49 AM

They look pretty interesting (except Starscream's bare lower legs).

 

I like the designs mostly.

 

It is very confusing using (yet again!) the name of a size class for the name of a series.  :wtf


Most of the figures in the first image aren't even talked about it seems.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:50 AM

After taking a minute to think about it, I've decided I'm not immediately into these, but if the show turned out to be really good, it could make me interested.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:50 AM

Good bits:

  • Megatron's honestly really cool tank mode
  • Starscream's Skyquake-esque jet thrusters that won't be on the actual character model
  • Shockwave being a weird crabtank thing

Otherwise, I feel like these are sapping my enthusiasm for Cyberverse as I look at them. There's barely any imagination displayed at all - which is, yes, what we knew Cyberverse would likely be, but that doesn't make it not disappointing.

 

Also, where's Windblade? She's meant to be one of the main characters.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

Article got posted in reverse order, to judge from the phrasing of each section.

 

These all feel pretty Cyber Battalion-ish to me, just with spring-loaded gimmicks added.

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

Man, that Starscream in the group shot is just screaming for a Skyquake redeco.

 

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

All of these look like good toys for little kids.

None of these look like anything I need to own.* They are all characters I already have in a design and style better keeping with my interest (IE generations.)

I'd consider buying any new/uncommon characters in this style or these toys for a young kid in my life, but otherwise these are an interesting toyetic total pass for me.

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.


-ZacWilliam, the Io9 article suffers from abysmal last minute editing clearly shuffling the explanation of size classes till almost the end after they've been talked about a bunch, and it's pretty clear the Scout part was originally meant to be first.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

I'll take a Skywarp please!

 

I wonder if any of the other Seekers will be in this.  Or if Starscream (and others) will always fill that role.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:52 AM

Shockwave reminds me of this horror trope where something LOOKS human but then bends-over backwards to walk on all fours and scurry after you like a gross crab-like thing.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:58 AM

So, basically RID but with more Geewun.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:58 AM

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.

Considering the article's listing of a $15 price point and the term "Warrior" class, I think he'll be no different in size than any given modern deluxe class figure.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:00 AM

Shockwave reminds me of this horror trope where something LOOKS human but then bends-over backwards to walk on all fours and scurry after you like a gross crab-like thing.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

Yeah I'm not hating on this, they do look like good toys for kids/new fans. I'd just rather stick with CHUG.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:02 AM

*Shockwave may be the one exception depending on how small the figure is next to Gen toys.

Considering the article's listing of a $15 price point and the term "Warrior" class, I think he'll be no different in size than any given modern deluxe class figure.

I know. It's just I have to see how I feel about that standing with Classics Seekers and Leader Scale Megatron.

-ZacWilliam, it's gonna be shorter than I want, but it's design is very nice, so we'll see...

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:06 AM

I like the aesthetic a lot, but in the end it's basically just a bunch of G1 versions of G1 guys, and so unless the show is really great, or inexplicably still somehow part of Aligned, I doubt I'm going to feel any need to pick any of them up.

That being said, is down as I am on how constantly beholden to the past the current TF teamis, they're not afraid of incorporating gimmicks, which has actually made the last couple of years of Generations something like real toys, and I'll be interested to see what kind of gimmicks they incorporate here.

I mean, come on. Hive Swarm Attack for Bumblebee? That ought to be good stuff.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

Shockwave's alt mode is hilarious.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:10 AM

"But if you grew up with the original toys, and were left confused and disappointed when Optimus Prime was turned into a gorilla.."

Ow, my eyes just rolled out of my head.


Seriously, TFs are now just G1 and Movie? Bleh

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

Meh.

 

Not new news, but I really don't like the current design team's seeming obsession with making Starscream more pointy and angular instead of boxy.

 

Shockwave's alt mode is bad hilarious. Grimlock's design is way too busy and confused.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

Shockwave's alt mode is hilarious.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:13 AM

Seriously, TFs are now just G1 and Movie? Bleh


And Rescue Bots. And be thankful that the main TF team aren't in charge of movie or Rescue Bots, because then it'd just be G1.



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