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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....


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#81 GodSentinelOmega

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Posted 28 August 2018 - 02:15 PM

Personally, I see nothing wrong with giving Venom non-Spidey origins.  By focusing on just Brock & the Symbiote, it adds a bit of depth to both characters, rather than just having Venom being an extra violent clingy Ex, or Brock just being the worst reporter.
 
That being said, these trailers haven't convinced me that Sony can do a good Marvel film, without Marvel holding their hand.
 
Still, I hope to be pleasantly surprised.  And if it comes out good, than there's a chance it could be incorporated into the Marvel films.  I mean, the idea of doing bad guy origin movies has merit, since it can set up a future super hero film, in which you don't have to incorporate the villain's backstory into whatever story you've got planned.


That seems to be what Sony are hopingbfor. They're betting on Venom being a success and thus being the lynchpin for their tiny little piece of Marvel. By throwing up plans for Venom, Black, Silver Sable (possibly?) and Kraven the Hunter, there's been speculation that they could either be trying to build a universe to slot a Spiderman into, should they get sole ownership back. Or, they plan to serve up their group of to Marvel with a 'do you want these in your MCU? Can we have some money?'

This is all just grain of salt speculation of course.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:50 AM

PG13 and supposedly cut down to under two hours.

 

http://www.superhero...rating#/slide/1

 

 

Not a good omen, but then again this movie's almost the epitome of "damned if you do; damned if you don't."


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#83 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:27 PM

I can't disagree with the decision. A world where a Venom movie exists but 13-17 year olds couldn't go see it on their own would feel fundamentally wrong.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:56 PM

Yeah I'm kinda with you.  This feels good.

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:33 PM

This doesn't bother me.  I'm sure that there'll be an Unrated or R cut on the Blu-Ray, and then I'll be able to judge both and keep watching the one that I like better.



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Posted 15 September 2018 - 03:34 AM

how many Hugh Jackman Wolverine/X-men films (including cameos) were there before Logan? ... if people can wait 2 decades for Wolverine to draw blood, they can wait awhile to see venom eat brains 


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 07:27 AM

This does not seem like the BEST angle to present on release week...

 

 


In an interview with ComicsExplained, Hardy said that all his favourite scenes had ended up on the cutting-room floor. When asked "What was your favourite scene to film?" he said: "Things that aren’t in this movie."

The Taboo star continued, in a possibly tongue-in-cheek reply: "There are, like, 30 to 40 minutes' worth of scenes that aren’t in this movie... all of them. Mad puppeteering scenes, dark comedy scenes. You know what I mean? They just never made it in."

 

 

On the other hand, it's good of them to clear up the rating thing.

 

 


"There isn't some phantom version of the movie," Tolmach told comicbook.com last week. "Everyone is asking us that. Is there an R-rated cut sitting there? There isn't."

 

"We only ever talked about this movie as being PG-13," director Ruben Fleisher added. "What I've said in the past is that we wanted to push the violence to the hilt. The Dark Knight was always a huge reference point for me, personally, just as far as how far you could take a PG-13." https://www.telegrap...venom-cut-film/


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 09:17 AM

Arguably the worst angle to present on release week is that this movie will share a universe with the Jared Leto Morbius movie.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 01:32 PM

i feel like im the only one who liked whne Morbius wore a hoodie and hung out in a neighborhood and helped....thats the movie id like to see.

 

on the venom front, if NYCC doesnt kill me, i look forward to seeing it on saturday.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 04:26 AM

I'm watching it in three hours. I'm keeping expectations even.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 07:20 AM

25% on RT and falling.

 

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:41 AM

Seriously? I rather liked it.

No spoilers but BOGUS scene mid credits. Gosh darn!

Then awesome preview at the very end.



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:43 PM

I saw it and thought it was decent.  At least as entertaining as Spider-man Homecoming and oddly similar in how Peter interacts with the AI, albeit Venom is a much more humorous counterpart.

 

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 02:45 AM

Yeah, it was funny. I don't recall it when I read Venom though. But I was reading his adventures during the Erik Larsen Mark Bagley art David Michelinie writer times. I dunno what happened after, like Agent Venom or after the Planet of the Symbiotes.

Totally not liking that spoiler you put too. Geez. Someone new would have been nice.

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 03:13 PM

It was okay. The parts with Venom was good. The clip at the very end was very good.

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 03:15 PM

It does sound like there's an R rated cut and Sony are just denying it because they want a competitor to MCU.

 

I mean MCU has the Marvel thing sown up. Deadpool was R because it fits the character and it was the only way to offer something different. Getting tired of the MCU? Have this edgy 4th wall breaking piss take that maaaaybe is in continuity with them?



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 03:26 PM

Haven't seen it yet, but I hope there's an R or Unrated cut on the 4k/BD releases. PG-13 à la AvP is usually a bad idea.



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:17 PM

It was okay.  I think the big "reveal" mid-credits inspired more chuckles from the audience than awe, but I guess I can see the casting as a sort of contrast to the villain from this movie (who was kinda forgettable, anyhow).

 

I was pretty amused with how much more easily I connected with Eddie Brock without his ever-lame and misplaced "YEW TOOK MAH JERB" motivation for hating Spider-Man hanging over his character.



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 07:50 PM

Venom’s comic origin was perfectly fine for a villain. If the anger wasn’t misplaced, we’d be on his side, not Spider-Man’s.

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 10:03 PM

Venom’s comic origin was perfectly fine for a villain. If the anger wasn’t misplaced, we’d be on his side, not Spider-Man’s.

 

It was his own dumbarsery that got him fired.  Spider-Man just caught the real Sin-Eater and didn't even know who Eddie Brock was.

 

On top of that, that wasn't even how the original Sin-Eater story was written.

 

So Eddie's origin is literally... a dumb retcon.  Michelinie even admitted he didn't put a lot of thought into it because Brock wasn't meant to last too long as the symbiote's host.  Then he got too popular and they were stuck with him.

 

At the very least, Michelinie's original idea for Venom as a woman who lost her husband and child had a little more weight to it, even if there is that same misplaced anger.





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