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@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 July 2020 - 03:14 PM)

Convert him to Maple Syrup.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 03:10 PM)

what would Canada do with Yogi?

@  Cyoti : (01 July 2020 - 12:51 PM)

We can deport Yogi back to Canada now.

@  Sabrblade : (01 July 2020 - 12:50 PM)

Jellystone National Pawk. A westful wetweat.

@  Rycochet : (01 July 2020 - 12:47 PM)

Jellystone. We're going to be plunged into a decade of poor animation. Fortunately we've been led by bad cartoon characters for years so we won't notice much difference.

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 July 2020 - 06:19 AM)

what next? YELLOWSTONE?

@  Nevermore : (01 July 2020 - 05:46 AM)

Thanks, dead person.

@  Bass X0 : (01 July 2020 - 05:06 AM)

congratulations to all survivors of the first half of 2020.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 10:21 PM)

21 for me, but after numerous repetitions I got it down to 17 and a half.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 06:16 PM)

I transform in six steps from human to human sitting on my ass at the computer and back again!

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 June 2020 - 05:55 PM)

x-x when in vehicle mode we can travel much F A R T H E R-

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 05:52 PM)

Because despite the fact that we can travel around the world in the time it takes to get a good nights sleep and a couple of meals: people rarely wander more than 25 miles away from home for the duration of their lives.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I don't know how many days that trip takes - especially while sightseeing - but explaining they're 3936 kilometers (2445 miles) apart gives an idea, paradoxically because it is too large to easily picture.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:44 PM)

Aye.  When I catch lay people discussing miles and not how long the trip takes, it is in an attempt to stress how far away something is... like NYC to LA.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

But I can imagine 45 *minutes* easily.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

I can imagine a mile, it's a distance I've run. I can't really imagine 45 miles.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:19 PM)

I think there's also an element of the thing where things that are much bigger than us all blur together.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:49 AM)

If you're not, then you're more concerned with how long it takes.  Actual distance doesn't tell you that very well.  Besides traffic and road conditions, you'll need to know what kind of driving (city/interstate/rural/etc.).

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:47 AM)

Distance matters if you're being paid by the mile.

@  TM2-Megatron : (30 June 2020 - 11:44 AM)

Canadians are the same way, for the most part. If you're driving somewhere far, especially, it helps you plan out the day more than a distance in KM would.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:42 AM)

We use the time it takes to get someplace because that is what is relevant to us.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Because even we can't figure out miles half the time.

@  Paladin : (30 June 2020 - 09:54 AM)

it's a big country with a lot of empty space. between our citizens' ears.

@  Bass X0 : (30 June 2020 - 09:52 AM)

Why do most Americans measure distance by hours of driving?

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 07:26 PM)

And as a result the world's lone blu-ray release of the film, an Australian disc that came out 7 years ago, now goes for hundreds of dollars on eBay. Thanks Disney.

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 06:21 PM)

Well, they censored Daryl Hannah's butt in Splash :rolleyes

@  Paladin : (29 June 2020 - 05:43 PM)

maybe New Mutants is too bad even for D+.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 June 2020 - 05:00 PM)

X-Men films are coming to Disney+ next month. But will they censor Hugh Jackman's butt?

@  -LittleAutob... : (29 June 2020 - 12:44 PM)

Pft.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 11:59 AM)

Behold! Night Strike Galvatron!

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 09:53 AM)

I will grant you a recolored body, and recolored troops to command.

@  Cybersnark : (29 June 2020 - 09:47 AM)

I don't want to be reissued. This body sucks, I wanna be updated.

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 09:43 AM)

I definitely don't intend to be reissued. Nobody would buy me.

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 08:31 AM)

will anybody else attempt to be reissued?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 June 2020 - 07:51 AM)

*Gasp* Decepticons re-writing history to serve their own needs?!?!

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 05:48 AM)

The whole point of the DJD is that they're fanatical Megatron fanboys (especially Tarn) to the point of having their own headcanon taking priority of the actual canon, simply speaking.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 04:01 AM)

They didn't know the war was over until later. And then they denied it anyway.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 June 2020 - 10:47 PM)

"He's comin' right for us!"

@  Telly : (28 June 2020 - 08:40 PM)

was that even still in effect once the war ended?

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 June 2020 - 06:51 PM)

According to Roberts, soldiers can ignore the order to spare Whirl if he's directly threatening them. But mostly the DJD were out of their heads on Nuke and not really caring much at the time.

@  Xaaron : (28 June 2020 - 06:41 PM)

Also, they were hopped up on goofballs at the time.

@  wonko the sane? : (28 June 2020 - 06:06 PM)

Cause it was whirl. He opened his (non-existant.) gob at the just the right time to piss somebody off. Or, so I assume.

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 June 2020 - 06:00 PM)

If Whirl was off limits why did the DJD kill him?

@  TM2-Megatron : (27 June 2020 - 05:57 PM)

That sounds about right. I actually didn't get into it until the IQ expansion came out (which saved me a bit of expense)

@  Otaku : (27 June 2020 - 05:55 PM)

Weird question (and sorry for so many shouts): did Overpower really release in August of '95?  I could have sworn I attempted to play it with a classmate who shouldn't have been a classmate by that point.

@  Otaku : (27 June 2020 - 05:52 PM)

So... I don't have all my cards still somewhere. XP I still play Pokémon via the PTCGO, and I've been doing Card of the Days over on Pojo (on and off) since 2013.

@  Otaku : (27 June 2020 - 05:51 PM)

For both financial, personal, and practical reasons, all my collectibles had to go about 10 years ago: action figures, comic books, card games, RPG books, video games.


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#121 NovaSaber

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:14 PM

  Reboot not able to show or say hockey.

What.

What was that about?

 

Like, to give a stupid example, if I were ""translating"" a piece of British fiction into American English,

They actually did that with Bob the Builder.

 

 

I could technically translate "sod this" into "[word that is filtered into hug] this" - it has a similar meaning and can be used in sentences in most of the same ways. It's as close an equivalent to "sod" as you're gonna get. But "[word that is filtered into hug] this" would read as far harsher swearing to an American than "sod this" would to a British person, and thus you've changed the intended tone of that dialogue for the American.

And I think that's what we have here. A Japanese word that is colloquial and crude, but not as crude as the most common American English word of the same meaning.



#122 Exatron

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:18 PM

I'd like to second Spacewarp's suggestion: keep the more literal translation in the subtitle track with Cybertron/Destron, while using a less harsh version for the Maximal/Predacon track.

 

My reasoning is pretty simple. You're never going to reach any kind of consensus on this sort of thing. If you go with one choice or the other, there will be people happy with the choice, and people unhappy with the choice. If anyone didn't already know that to be a certain truth, I think this thread alone is all the evidence you'll ever need.

 

However, I think people tend to fall into two main camps. Either you want to see everything exactly as it was, or you're ok with making modifications to adapt to other cultures, norms, terminology, etc. There will of course be exceptions and shades of grey for any single individual, but I think those are the broad categories.

 

In general, I suspect the people who want to see Cybertron/Destron will also be the same people who will want to see the original language as much as possible. Meanwhile, the people who are open to changing either the factions or language to match what we typically see outside Japan are likely open to changing the other as well. Again, broad strokes, exceptions, etc.

 

Of course, that means more work, so that might not even be an option. At the end of the day, whatever way you choose to go, I'm pretty sure the final consensus will be that we're all thrilled it will even exist to be able to debate about. So thank you for tackling this series!  :)



#123 LV!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

"Swear" has been used as a noun for at least more than a century?


Maybe! To me it sounds ludicrously childish!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:26 PM

I think if you make a sub that replaces words, it will just make someone else attempt to make a true translation in the future.
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#125 LV!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:28 PM

It's been twenty years and this is the first anybody has bothered, so...



#126 LV!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:42 PM

However, I think people tend to fall into two main camps. Either you want to see everything exactly as it was, or you're ok with making modifications to adapt to other cultures, norms, terminology, etc. There will of course be exceptions and shades of grey for any single individual, but I think those are the broad categories.

 

In general, I suspect the people who want to see Cybertron/Destron will also be the same people who will want to see the original language as much as possible. Meanwhile, the people who are open to changing either the factions or language to match what we typically see outside Japan are likely open to changing the other as well. Again, broad strokes, exceptions, etc.

 

Also this is an extremely insightful post that I just want to, I guess, acknowledge? It's hard for me to imagine anyone is just thinking "no I have to see Transformers swearing" in our, like, post-Robot Chicken world, where surely that novelty has worn thin to the point of nonexistence. So the only interpretation that makes any sense to me is that people who feel strongly about robot profanity must be approaching it from a "translations should never be adaptations" mindset. I'm not sure I'd have recognized that without Exatron, which probably doesn't say much for my powers of insight.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 05:04 PM

Now someone needs to go on a rant about the atrocities 4Kids used to do to One Piece.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 07:18 PM

Honestly, I see it as less about censorship and more about the Transformers-ness of it.

I mean, it'd be like a Star Trek movie where two Vulcans end a conversation with "have a nice day," or a Star Wars movie where a Jedi wishes someone "good luck."

Weird context-appropriate idioms are part of the fun.

 

But this is Transformers. It's an official Transformers product, and that's how it's written.

 

If you start trying to force language and concepts that aren't a translation but literally "aren't there" then we're going to have a retread of that stupid argument a few years back where people were defending IIRC Shout's subtitles changing Sixshot from the ninja he was into a "phase sixer" because they thought it made more sense.

 

If there was an official localization then you can do that sort of thing because that's an active effort by the property owners to adapt material for a different audience, but this is a fansub, which exists to simply allow people to understand an existing show.

 

 

a "translations should never be adaptations" mindset.

 

To be fair, even as a purist i know that this is impossible. A translation is always going to have differences from the original text and you'll never have a 1/1 translation job, so a translator MUST be able to change things in a way that best carries the spirit of the work using their own judgement. It's like playing sheet music on two different instruments, you need to make alterations to fit the different tones to the new sound.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:01 PM

 

a "translations should never be adaptations" mindset.

 

To be fair, even as a purist i know that this is impossible. A translation is always going to have differences from the original text and you'll never have a 1/1 translation job, so a translator MUST be able to change things in a way that best carries the spirit of the work using their own judgement. It's like playing sheet music on two different instruments, you need to make alterations to fit the different tones to the new sound.

 

 

I know exactly what you mean as I too have had to deal with this practice of adaptation first hand. I'm currently involved in a French-to-English translation project for a series of French-original Disney stories starring Goofy, in which I've had to make some small changes in the translation in order to make the dialogue not only make sense in English but to also fit how Goofy would speak these lines in English, all while still trying to keep true to the intent behind the original French dialogue.

 

For instance, in one of these stories--a parody of Don Quixote--Goofy refers to monsters as "creatures of Hell" in French. But since there's no way he would ever use that phrase in any official English-language Disney work, I opted to rework the phrase into saying "infernal creatures". But again, because it's Goofy, who's always using malapropisms, I modified the phrase even further to say "informal creatures", which better matches the silly kind of way that Goofy speaks in English, while the original intent of the dialogue is still recognizable to those familiar with how Goofy misspeaks his words.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

#130 LV!

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:14 PM

I feel like that's the exact opposite of what she wants based on the first half of the post you quoted.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:42 PM

I feel like that's the exact opposite of what she wants based on the first half of the post you quoted.

True, but, in the case of my project, it's a non-American work about an American-original character, rather than a completely non-American work altogether, so there admittedly are some particulars to consider when it comes to each case.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:51 PM

Well, I have no problem with adaptation at all. I generally prefer it. I'm just saying, I don't think that demonstrates knowing exactly what she means.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

That's fair.

 

My example comes from the other direction, yes, but I felt the bit about how "a translator MUST be able to change things in a way that best carries the spirit of the work using their own judgement." fit what I've been doing lately. :doh


Edited by Sabrblade, 05 February 2018 - 09:52 PM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:05 PM

I mean, everyone's approach is different. For example, I think of Goofy talking with a bit of an American hick accent, so I might try something indirect, like mentioning pitchforks and brimstone, which are traditionally kinda American folksy references, which allude to hell creatures but avoid outright saying "hell". Of course my approach would mean the sentence structure would be more different from the original, I assume, so if the sentence is too long and doesn't fit whatever context, then it'd be unwieldy.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:52 PM

 

  Reboot not able to show or say hockey.

What.

What was that about?

 

The show's early jokes at the expense of Board of Standards and Practices came from frustration encountered by the show's makers by an abundance of script and editing changes that were imposed upon Mainframe before episodes were allowed to air. These changes were all aimed at making the show "appropriate" for kids, and to prevent even the slightest appearance of "inappropriate" content, imitable violence or sexuality.

 

The character Dot was considered too sexualized by the BS&P even though she was "never one to expose much cleavage" so the animators were forced to make her breasts less curvy and form them into a lumpy "monobreast", as lightly referred to by the staff. However, starting with season three, the "monobreasts" of all adult female characters were replaced with more anatomically correct versions. In another case, the word "hockey", as well as the sport itself, was cut in some countries as it was supposedly used as a vulgar slang term there. In the episode "Talent Night", one scene of Dot giving her brother Enzo "a sisterly kiss on the chin" was cut due to BS&P's fear of promoting incest, an insinuation which Pearson described as "one of the sickest things I've heard."

Quoting Wikipedia there.


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#136 Sabrblade

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 12:25 AM

I mean, everyone's approach is different. For example, I think of Goofy talking with a bit of an American hick accent, so I might try something indirect, like mentioning pitchforks and brimstone, which are traditionally kinda American folksy references, which allude to hell creatures but avoid outright saying "hell". Of course my approach would mean the sentence structure would be more different from the original, I assume, so if the sentence is too long and doesn't fit whatever context, then it'd be unwieldy.

I forgot to mention that it technically wasn't Goofy as himself in the story, but Goofy portrayed in the role of one of his ancestors who was a parody of Don Quixote, so I was also trying to avoid using too many anachronisms and/or 20th century American cultural lingo in order to find just the right balance between sticking true to A) the character of Goofy himself, B) the ancestor role he was playing, C) the culture and time period in which he was placed into said ancestor role, and D) the original spirit/intent of the original French dialogue.

 

In the specific case of his saying "creature of Hell" in the French dialogue, the French word used for "Hell" was "L'enfer", which I felt the word "infernal" was a close enough alternative for "of Hell" to still be evocative of "L'enfer" (while "informal" was just too good of a Goofy-esque malapropism for "infernal" to pass up, since the parts where Goofy's ancestor says the phrase are presented as lighthearted humorous moments with some slapstick comedy and silly misunderstandings; it just fit the tone and action of these scenes so perfectly).

 

 

Anyway, back to Beast Wars Neo, ah-hyuck!


Edited by Sabrblade, 06 February 2018 - 12:36 AM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

#137 Broadside

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:19 AM

Reminds me that the Asterix translators had a strict rule for themselves: rather than try to translate the jokes on the page exactly, they would instead include exactly the same number of jokes on each page.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:25 AM

Super happy to see this done!

On the current topic, I just think its weird to hear/read a Transformer say shit. Slag all the way.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:48 AM

I found it baffling that the aimed-at-adults Titans Return cartoon had everyone using the softened-for-children's-television "Scrud" instead "Scrap", as well as Windblade once uttering "What the headlight", yet Emissary was able to yell the D-word like it was nothing.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:31 AM

I got super confused for a minute there, and wondered if Emissary had called someone a dick, or something.



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