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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?


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#2921 Telly

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 11:32 AM

My family and I have been watching an episode or two of TAS on Sunday nights.  It really is no more ridiculous than your average episode of the live action version.

 

One thing I can say, though, is that the animated series LOVES purple pterodactyl aliens.  At least every other episode has an appearance by purple pterodactyls.

 

well, you know, you draw one alien species, may as well get as much use out of them as you can. gotta stretch that budget!


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 11:57 AM

A lot of the things that we tend to consider fundamental aspects of how the Star Trek universe works weren't established until season 3 of TNG or later.  For instance, in TOS and early TNG, there is a lot of contact with planets that clearly don't (or don't clearly) meet the criteria for first contact that was later established.

 

TAS followed perfectly well from TOS, and in fact seemed to have its world established a bit better in some ways.  It's only in light of later shows and movies that it feels a bit wonky.



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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:57 PM

 

My family and I have been watching an episode or two of TAS on Sunday nights.  It really is no more ridiculous than your average episode of the live action version.

 

One thing I can say, though, is that the animated series LOVES purple pterodactyl aliens.  At least every other episode has an appearance by purple pterodactyls.

 

well, you know, you draw one alien species, may as well get as much use out of them as you can. gotta stretch that budget!

 

 

Meanwhile, in live action:

 

<Star Trek> YOU get a bumpy forehead! YOU get a bumpy forehead! YOU get a bumpy forehead! EVERYBODY GETS A BUMPY FOREHEAD!

 

<TNG era Romulan> *Rubbing bumpy forehead* But y tho?



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 09:41 PM

We owe a lot to Roddenberry, but ironically Trek really took off once he was removed from being in charge.



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 10:10 PM

there would probly be no ds9 as we know and love it if he were still involved at that point


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:56 AM

One thing that often gets overlooked about the Roddenberry-made stuff was that in the universe of Star Trek, the Federation - and similar races like the Klingons and Romulans - are a small, insignificant power in a galaxy full of ancient and terrible things. Every other week was dealing with either some power beyond the ability of the characters or some long dead civilisation. But that all got slowly ground down into what we usually think of when we think 'Star Trek', the mighty Federation, unstoppable by practically all. Even the 'wonders you cannot possibly imagine and terrors to freeze your soul' Q speaks about turns out to be just more dudes with technology similar enough to never outright outclass the Federation.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 06:27 AM

It's an interesting contrast. I wonder a bit how much it really has to do with Roddenberry though. Once there's a political status quo established for the quadrant, which developed in bits over TOS and the movies and TNG, anomalous advanced civilizations kept being a weekly plot device but everyone else increasingly still had to go back to work in the morning. I mean arguably, DS9 is unique in actually putting one of those unknowable super civilizations in a permanent spot and giving them something to do in relation to the rest of the universe.

The Federation and Klingons both go to investigate Vger, but the Klingons will be back, while the next super-advanced alien probe threatening destroy Earth without the right signal is, you know, just another unrelated one.

So I think it's an inevitable consequence of the Trek universe starting to be something that matters and that its stories are sometimes about, which is not where TOS started but requires laying down a status quo.
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Posted 02 September 2019 - 09:57 AM

There's also the fact that TNG and DS9 weren't really about exploring strange new worlds and discovering new civilizations (neither were TOS, Voyager, Enterprise, or Discovery*, but they at least paid lip-service to the concept). Instead they were about finding ways to coexist with the civilizations that we already knew.

(* Star Trek in general has never actually been about exploration, that was just the justification they used to motivate the characters into dramatic/symbolic situations.)

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 04:24 PM

One thing that often gets overlooked about the Roddenberry-made stuff was that in the universe of Star Trek, the Federation - and similar races like the Klingons and Romulans - are a small, insignificant power in a galaxy full of ancient and terrible things. Every other week was dealing with either some power beyond the ability of the characters or some long dead civilisation. But that all got slowly ground down into what we usually think of when we think 'Star Trek', the mighty Federation, unstoppable by practically all. Even the 'wonders you cannot possibly imagine and terrors to freeze your soul' Q speaks about turns out to be just more dudes with technology similar enough to never outright outclass the Federation.

 

I'm not going to lie, I'm still mildly pissed off that the First Federation from TOS just kind of...vanished.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:11 PM

It seemed like the First Federation deemed the current Milky Way powers not ready for full first contact. The TOS cultural exchange and some limited trade of non-sensitive goods (Quark sold Tranya, a First Federation beverage, on DS9) seems to be able all they're ready for until the Federation and its neighbors have advanced sufficiently and worked out their own issues.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 06:36 PM

How the Federation or other powers might interact with a permanent presence of much more technologically and culturally advanced people in their corner of the galaxy would certainly be a different kind of story for Trek, and could be interesting if handled very well. And it's certainly one that would not fit as well into the picture of the galaxy established by the movies and TNG that's closely analogous to real-world global politics. I don't really know how you make that interesting as a story element, but there's potentially interesting stuff to explore there. 

 

Suppose it's something Babylon 5 played with to a certain extent, by putting our perspective with the human characters and having the more advanced Minbari and much more advanced Vorlons around, but.


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 07:18 PM

Yeah but we swiftly got the White Stars (aka B5's Constitution Class Starship) and the tech imbalance of the setting kind of ceased being a thing. The revelation that Earth Alliance was creating hybrid warships based on Shadow-tech wasn't nearly as big a deal as it ought to have been, since by that point in the series the White Star Fleet had already smashed the Shadows in the face multiple times.



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 08:53 AM

This sadly happened. Aaron Eisenberg has died.

 

https://www.startrek...tuary-star-trek



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 12:56 PM

Both he and his character represented so much of what makes Star Trek special. He'll be greatly missed.

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 03:00 PM

there would probly be no ds9 as we know and love it if he were still involved at that point

 

He absolutely (and rightly!) would've made damn sure Section 31 was never a thing.

 

That alone would've almost been worth the laughably absurd stuff like parents would never fight with their children.

 

How the Federation or other powers might interact with a permanent presence of much more technologically and culturally advanced people in their corner of the galaxy would certainly be a different kind of story for Trek, and could be interesting if handled very well. And it's certainly one that would not fit as well into the picture of the galaxy established by the movies and TNG that's closely analogous to real-world global politics. I don't really know how you make that interesting as a story element, but there's potentially interesting stuff to explore there.

 

How they would interact is "not at all" given the First Federation's reluctance to maintain contact.

 

And this was slightly after the Federation council approved genocide (and a bit before they did again) so they were probably right to stay away until the Federation realized that was, you know, horribly wrong. Which is apparently something they still haven't grasped as of DS9.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 07:37 PM

This sadly happened. Aaron Eisenberg has died.

 

https://www.startrek...tuary-star-trek

 

This sucks. I think he's the first major actor associated with the franchise past the original (ignoring the reboot films) to pass away, too.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 09:21 PM

RIP

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:14 AM

the ferengi futures exchange of course


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 10:59 AM

The one that played the kid is the first one to go.  Now there's a sobering thought :(


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 11:34 AM

From all reports he had kidney problems his whole life (he GoFundMe'd his most recent operation).



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