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@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?


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#2921 Telly

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 11:32 AM

My family and I have been watching an episode or two of TAS on Sunday nights.  It really is no more ridiculous than your average episode of the live action version.

 

One thing I can say, though, is that the animated series LOVES purple pterodactyl aliens.  At least every other episode has an appearance by purple pterodactyls.

 

well, you know, you draw one alien species, may as well get as much use out of them as you can. gotta stretch that budget!


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Posted 21 August 2019 - 11:57 AM

A lot of the things that we tend to consider fundamental aspects of how the Star Trek universe works weren't established until season 3 of TNG or later.  For instance, in TOS and early TNG, there is a lot of contact with planets that clearly don't (or don't clearly) meet the criteria for first contact that was later established.

 

TAS followed perfectly well from TOS, and in fact seemed to have its world established a bit better in some ways.  It's only in light of later shows and movies that it feels a bit wonky.



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Posted 21 August 2019 - 12:57 PM

 

My family and I have been watching an episode or two of TAS on Sunday nights.  It really is no more ridiculous than your average episode of the live action version.

 

One thing I can say, though, is that the animated series LOVES purple pterodactyl aliens.  At least every other episode has an appearance by purple pterodactyls.

 

well, you know, you draw one alien species, may as well get as much use out of them as you can. gotta stretch that budget!

 

 

Meanwhile, in live action:

 

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 09:41 PM

We owe a lot to Roddenberry, but ironically Trek really took off once he was removed from being in charge.


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 10:10 PM

there would probly be no ds9 as we know and love it if he were still involved at that point


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:56 AM

One thing that often gets overlooked about the Roddenberry-made stuff was that in the universe of Star Trek, the Federation - and similar races like the Klingons and Romulans - are a small, insignificant power in a galaxy full of ancient and terrible things. Every other week was dealing with either some power beyond the ability of the characters or some long dead civilisation. But that all got slowly ground down into what we usually think of when we think 'Star Trek', the mighty Federation, unstoppable by practically all. Even the 'wonders you cannot possibly imagine and terrors to freeze your soul' Q speaks about turns out to be just more dudes with technology similar enough to never outright outclass the Federation.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 06:27 AM

It's an interesting contrast. I wonder a bit how much it really has to do with Roddenberry though. Once there's a political status quo established for the quadrant, which developed in bits over TOS and the movies and TNG, anomalous advanced civilizations kept being a weekly plot device but everyone else increasingly still had to go back to work in the morning. I mean arguably, DS9 is unique in actually putting one of those unknowable super civilizations in a permanent spot and giving them something to do in relation to the rest of the universe.

The Federation and Klingons both go to investigate Vger, but the Klingons will be back, while the next super-advanced alien probe threatening destroy Earth without the right signal is, you know, just another unrelated one.

So I think it's an inevitable consequence of the Trek universe starting to be something that matters and that its stories are sometimes about, which is not where TOS started but requires laying down a status quo.
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Posted 02 September 2019 - 09:57 AM

There's also the fact that TNG and DS9 weren't really about exploring strange new worlds and discovering new civilizations (neither were TOS, Voyager, Enterprise, or Discovery*, but they at least paid lip-service to the concept). Instead they were about finding ways to coexist with the civilizations that we already knew.

(* Star Trek in general has never actually been about exploration, that was just the justification they used to motivate the characters into dramatic/symbolic situations.)

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 04:24 PM

One thing that often gets overlooked about the Roddenberry-made stuff was that in the universe of Star Trek, the Federation - and similar races like the Klingons and Romulans - are a small, insignificant power in a galaxy full of ancient and terrible things. Every other week was dealing with either some power beyond the ability of the characters or some long dead civilisation. But that all got slowly ground down into what we usually think of when we think 'Star Trek', the mighty Federation, unstoppable by practically all. Even the 'wonders you cannot possibly imagine and terrors to freeze your soul' Q speaks about turns out to be just more dudes with technology similar enough to never outright outclass the Federation.

 

I'm not going to lie, I'm still mildly pissed off that the First Federation from TOS just kind of...vanished.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 05:11 PM

It seemed like the First Federation deemed the current Milky Way powers not ready for full first contact. The TOS cultural exchange and some limited trade of non-sensitive goods (Quark sold Tranya, a First Federation beverage, on DS9) seems to be able all they're ready for until the Federation and its neighbors have advanced sufficiently and worked out their own issues.



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Posted 02 September 2019 - 06:36 PM

How the Federation or other powers might interact with a permanent presence of much more technologically and culturally advanced people in their corner of the galaxy would certainly be a different kind of story for Trek, and could be interesting if handled very well. And it's certainly one that would not fit as well into the picture of the galaxy established by the movies and TNG that's closely analogous to real-world global politics. I don't really know how you make that interesting as a story element, but there's potentially interesting stuff to explore there. 

 

Suppose it's something Babylon 5 played with to a certain extent, by putting our perspective with the human characters and having the more advanced Minbari and much more advanced Vorlons around, but.


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 07:18 PM

Yeah but we swiftly got the White Stars (aka B5's Constitution Class Starship) and the tech imbalance of the setting kind of ceased being a thing. The revelation that Earth Alliance was creating hybrid warships based on Shadow-tech wasn't nearly as big a deal as it ought to have been, since by that point in the series the White Star Fleet had already smashed the Shadows in the face multiple times.



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Posted 22 September 2019 - 08:53 AM

This sadly happened. Aaron Eisenberg has died.

 

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 12:56 PM

Both he and his character represented so much of what makes Star Trek special. He'll be greatly missed.

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 03:00 PM

there would probly be no ds9 as we know and love it if he were still involved at that point

 

He absolutely (and rightly!) would've made damn sure Section 31 was never a thing.

 

That alone would've almost been worth the laughably absurd stuff like parents would never fight with their children.

 

How the Federation or other powers might interact with a permanent presence of much more technologically and culturally advanced people in their corner of the galaxy would certainly be a different kind of story for Trek, and could be interesting if handled very well. And it's certainly one that would not fit as well into the picture of the galaxy established by the movies and TNG that's closely analogous to real-world global politics. I don't really know how you make that interesting as a story element, but there's potentially interesting stuff to explore there.

 

How they would interact is "not at all" given the First Federation's reluctance to maintain contact.

 

And this was slightly after the Federation council approved genocide (and a bit before they did again) so they were probably right to stay away until the Federation realized that was, you know, horribly wrong. Which is apparently something they still haven't grasped as of DS9.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 07:37 PM

This sadly happened. Aaron Eisenberg has died.

 

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This sucks. I think he's the first major actor associated with the franchise past the original (ignoring the reboot films) to pass away, too.


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 09:21 PM

RIP

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:14 AM

the ferengi futures exchange of course


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 10:59 AM

The one that played the kid is the first one to go.  Now there's a sobering thought :(


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Posted 23 September 2019 - 11:34 AM

From all reports he had kidney problems his whole life (he GoFundMe'd his most recent operation).



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