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@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.


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#2561 Teufel

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 11:29 PM

Most of that is fair, but at the time I enjoyed Voyager in part because it wasn't DS9. DS9 had the narrative and character development, Voyager had the almost anthology like quality to allow randomly tuning in and be able to enjoy the show. I liked both, DS9 more of course, but the contrasts were complimentary in a way. I suppose it's unfortunate that's all they ever really strived for because they could've done so much more, but DS9 filled the "so much more" niche for me.

 

I've watched DS9 in the last couple years and it holds up rather well. Dat SD video quality is a little rough, but still some damn fine TV.

 

I haven't seen Voyager since it aired, but I imagine it doesn't hold up amazing overall and that's where a lack of ambition is going to hurt them; longevity. I guess that's less important when you've already raked in that sweet, sweet syndie money. I can think of several episodes that if I marathoned it I would have to fight the urge to skip even though I haven't seen them since the 90s. Vision quests? Warp 10? Fairhaven? *groooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaan*

 

The only Trek convention I went to years and years ago, I was surprised to find Robert Beltran was an absolutely hilarious individual. Him mocking Chakotay's half baked heritage and sappy New Age vision quests was great. He was there with Robert Picardo, the dude who played Gorn on the original ST, Peter Mayhew, and the gentleman who played Dr. Choatica. Throughout the Q&A no one was asking Choatica any questions and I felt bad for him. I resolved to ask him a question... but couldn't think of any in the remaining thirty minutes. :D Poor guy didn't get a single question. :doh



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Posted 07 July 2018 - 11:40 PM

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:16 AM

I think a lot of the stuff DS9 explored should have been on Voyager. The idea of what does a Federation ship do when it's stranded light years away in uncharted territory. But it never gets touched and instead we get reheated TNG ideas or straight up references.

 

Voyager should have been about tough choices and continuity driven. It could have pushed the crew's values and made them more rewarding when they found a way to still honour them. But it's lifeless and stale and the same attitude would continue on to hurt Enterprise (boy, I sure am glad that show's finale was really just an extra subplot for an older TNG episode!)

 

Voyager could have been amazing. Instead it's just boring.



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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:34 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)

When youve got 4 (it may have been 3 no i think about it) nobodies that are more interesting than most of your main cast, you got problems
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Posted 08 July 2018 - 07:46 AM

Voyager was one of those cases where the writers and the producers clearly wanted very different products. As others have noted, Voyager had a great setup (and, I'll add, some of the most creative alien designs Trek has ever done), but the producers insisted on a heavily episodic series where nothing could have lasting consequences (for fear of alienating viewers, possibly based on ever-reliable Focus Group Analysis of DS9).

Voyager had the perfect setup for a modern binge-friendly Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/CBSWhatever series, it just got here too soon.

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 11:05 AM

If it wasn't for Voyager and Harry Kim, we may not have gotten President Obama. So there's that at least
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Posted 08 July 2018 - 11:47 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)
 

I love those types of episodes, as they give an interesting perspective on the main characters.  "Lower Decks" from The Next Generation is one of my favorites for just that reason.  "A View From the Gallery" from S5 of Babylon 5 is also a great example, following a couple of maintenance workers as the station is attacked.

 

When they first started really bringing out story bits from Discovery, how it was not going to have the captain be the main character that was followed, I almost thought, or at least hoped, that it might have gone this route.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:41 AM

If you have Amazon Prime, for the next 25 hours as part of Prime Day there are some pretty smoking hot deals on Trek series and movie sets.

 

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it) on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:07 AM

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it)

 

but...but...

 

 

 

 on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.

 

even if they do it, you could always sell the regular versions


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:21 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)

When youve got 4 (it may have been 3 no i think about it) nobodies that are more interesting than most of your main cast, you got problems

 

Just a poor man's "Lower Decks", another TNG recycle.



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Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:22 PM

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it)

 
but...but...
 

 
 
 on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.

 
even if they do it, you could always sell the regular versions
I don't think it is very likely, there is a pretty good article explaining why TNG was a crazy task, basically recutting the show and recreating all the effects, and why DS9 and Voyager would even be harder sells.

http://www.treknews....-on-blu-ray-hd/
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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:11 PM

So, the rumors were true; Patrick Stewart will be returning to Star Trek in a new CBS All-Access series that's going to tell the story of the next chapter of Jean-Luc Picard's life.

 

Not so excited about Kurtzman being involved... but certainly worth a look.

 

http://www.startrek....nic-picard-role


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:21 PM

So his time as the Federation Ambassador to Vulcan?



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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:29 PM

Well, I don't think they let themselves be limited by things that might've been mentioned in other mediums, be it comics or the CBS authorized Pocketverse novels (though I wouldn't so much mind if they borrowed parts from the latter). Nor whatever All Good Things may have hinted at about his future, since it was an alternate future.



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Posted 04 August 2018 - 08:29 PM

I haven't been exposed to any of the fiction set post-Nemesis, so they can do whatever they want.

It does seem, though, that Picard won't be in command of a ship, or necessarily even in Starfleet. But, as long as he's still the person we all came to like through TNG, then that's all that matters.

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Posted 04 August 2018 - 08:56 PM

Well, I don't think they let themselves be limited by things that might've been mentioned in other mediums, be it comics or the CBS authorized Pocketverse novels (though I wouldn't so much mind if they borrowed parts from the latter).


Though the idea for this apparently comes from Kirsten Beyer, the "Keeper of the Torch" for the novelverse.

EDIT to add (a link to) the relevant tweet.

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:47 AM

Honestly, I hope that the TNG films are retconned out and ignored...
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Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:53 AM

I'd keep Riker finally accepting a ship of his own, but after that yeah there's nothing in the TNG films worth keeping. I'd have said Data's emotion chip but that got progressively forgotten about as the movies wore on anyway.



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Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:06 AM

I like how the novels have spooled things out post-Nemesis, though a lot of it would require explanations that a TV show would probably be better off avoiding.

(Which is not the same as disregarding them, it just means not mentioning them. Don't talk about Data's resurrection, or the Borg no longer existing, or the new DS9 --find new things to explore.)

Admiral Riker is easy, 'cause that's a logical step for his career. Same with having Geordie or Worf show up as captains, or Picard and Beverly having a son (since he exists in both official post-Nemesis timelines) but just leave some things safely off-screen for now.

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:12 AM

Have CBS/Paramount ever cared about the Star Trek novels?

 

I hope they give us a Rian Johnsonized Picard.





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