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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 June 2021 - 02:04 PM)

Fedex sucks

@  tigerhawk : (23 June 2021 - 10:09 AM)

"This never happened to the other fellow." -  One of my fave meta jokes in movies from 007: On her Majesty's Secret Service.

@  Sabrblade : (21 June 2021 - 08:58 PM)

Daddy!

@  Kalidor : (21 June 2021 - 04:50 PM)

Not just any girl - your mom!

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 June 2021 - 08:19 AM)

Happy Knocked-Up-A-Girl Day!

@  Bass X0 : (20 June 2021 - 02:13 AM)

Happy father's day!

@  Hot Rod Mustang : (19 June 2021 - 07:45 PM)

what up sluts?

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 June 2021 - 07:20 PM)

Only 6? Filthy casual.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 June 2021 - 04:26 PM)

Multiplaying as in "playing with other people" or multiplaying as in "6 WoW accounts running at the same time"?

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 June 2021 - 01:45 PM)

Oh no! Darkeklaw is multiplaying! (See birthday box)

@  tigerhawk : (19 June 2021 - 11:54 AM)

In my Marvel comic canon the second wave of special teams were handpicked active robots whose experience would theoretically make more stable combiners, the Combaticons came from Cybertron, the Protectobots were imprinted from crystals explaining both Onslauhghts ancestry and First Aid's experience.

@  Dekafox : (18 June 2021 - 05:24 PM)

Spotlight: Lioconvoy?

@  Bass X0 : (18 June 2021 - 04:15 PM)

How long until IDW puts out an Optimus Pride Month comic?

@  Cyoti : (18 June 2021 - 03:32 PM)

Even with B5, it didn't follow its original 5-year plan. Summaries from the supplementary materials for the scriptbooks demonstrates that was originally planned was very different from the actual product. Sinclair's actor's departure seemingly changed the show to the point that the stuff with the Vorlons/Shadows, the Minbari and the ending were all changed. Mapping out a show years in advance is difficult because of changing bts stuff like writers/actors leaving the show or suddenly having to retool because of ratings/execs. No plan survives intact especially in a chaotic environment of television production.

@  Rycochet : (18 June 2021 - 11:27 AM)

To be like Babylon 5, you need to cram a 2 season story arc into one because you fear being cancelled, then get further seasons you have no more material for. You also need a spinoff which the network heads don't want and do everything in their power to kill it while it's on air.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 June 2021 - 10:33 AM)

The required effort is probably why we don't have babylon 6; TNG.

@  Dekafox : (18 June 2021 - 10:23 AM)

Everyone wants to be like Babylon 5 but no one wants to put in the effort

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2021 - 09:36 AM)

And then, after five years of hosting their own official podcast where they would answer fan questions and always encouraged their audience to pay attention to the mysteries, after the show had ended, they claimed the show was never really about the mysteries, it was all about the characters.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2021 - 09:34 AM)

What really bugs me with "Lost" is that the producers had willfully negotiated a set end date with the network halfway through season 3 (the show ended with season 6, as planned) specifically so they could plan out the plot for the remainder of the show. Then... the plot wasn't resolved properly.

@  tigerhawk : (18 June 2021 - 04:17 AM)

By then I had lost interest in arc TV shows, I followed a few and got the impression they were just making them up as they went along. Seemed to be a trend starting with new Galactica and Lost though in actuality began with The X Files and has become a trope called 'The Chris Carter Effect'.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2021 - 02:12 AM)

I think it was season 3 part 1 specifically, since they had two separate plot "arcs" for season 3.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2021 - 02:11 AM)

They threw everything in there, with no clear story structure, no clear stakes, and characters flip-flopping wherever the episode's writer needed them to go for their half-baked plot.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2021 - 02:10 AM)

Season 3 was the worst, with a terrible meandering random events plot.

@  tigerhawk : (17 June 2021 - 11:59 PM)

'save the cheerleader' then in season 3 he tears her skull open, scans her power and she simply heals. They didn't think any of it through.

@  Shockwave 75 : (17 June 2021 - 07:04 PM)

Well, you know Hollywood; if something's popular, run it into the ground!

@  Cybersnark : (17 June 2021 - 04:40 PM)

And then there was the Writers' Strike, which isn't the show's fault.

@  Cybersnark : (17 June 2021 - 04:40 PM)

Yeah, Sylar should've been, if not killed off, at least left to rest.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2021 - 03:43 PM)

It never truly recovered from that.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Season 1 was good until the finale.

@  Paladin : (17 June 2021 - 09:37 AM)

because it sucked.

@  tigerhawk : (17 June 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Heroes was cancelled twice.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2021 - 06:33 AM)

The song's official name is "Holding Out for a Hero".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 June 2021 - 12:54 AM)

That's a long time to wait for a sandwich.

@  Maruten : (16 June 2021 - 07:13 PM)

Lucky there's a hero arriving in July.

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 June 2021 - 05:38 PM)

I think I've heard "I Need a Hero" more times this past week than I have in the past several years.

@  tigerhawk : (16 June 2021 - 12:41 PM)

Thanks to Earthrise I can recreate the end of Return of Optimus Prime part 1.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 June 2021 - 11:19 AM)

I wish they would do something like that here: but then it would become obvious in which provinces you're getting gouged.

@  Nevermore : (16 June 2021 - 10:42 AM)

Here in Germany, the price you see is the price you pay, tax included.

@  Nevermore : (16 June 2021 - 10:42 AM)

I always find it weaird hearing that stores in the US don't initially already taxes in their prices.

@  Nevermore : (16 June 2021 - 04:33 AM)

You know what's kewl? Poor literacy.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 June 2021 - 04:31 PM)

Awesome, thanks for the heads up.

@  CORVUS : (15 June 2021 - 04:12 PM)

Kewl. Thanks!

@  Kalidor : (15 June 2021 - 02:08 PM)

Hey everybody! I wanted to announce that Sarahthecutevixen is our newest addition to the Allspark staff. She's primarily looking over discord stuff, but I wanted to make sure she got a welcome over here as well.

@  NovaSaber : (14 June 2021 - 11:07 AM)

Turn-Bass RPG

@  Sabrblade : (14 June 2021 - 10:21 AM)

Do not X0 quietly into the night.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 June 2021 - 10:13 AM)

All your Bass are--

@  Donocropolis : (14 June 2021 - 05:56 AM)

*Bass X0 not available in Alaska or Hawaii.

@  Steevy Maximus : (13 June 2021 - 07:36 PM)

Get your own Big Mouth BassX0 for the low price of $19.95 (plusshippingandhandling)

@  repowers : (13 June 2021 - 12:45 PM)

Mr. Speaker, we are for the Bass X0.

@  Nevermore : (13 June 2021 - 06:04 AM)

It's all about that Bass XD.


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#2561 Teufel

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 11:29 PM

Most of that is fair, but at the time I enjoyed Voyager in part because it wasn't DS9. DS9 had the narrative and character development, Voyager had the almost anthology like quality to allow randomly tuning in and be able to enjoy the show. I liked both, DS9 more of course, but the contrasts were complimentary in a way. I suppose it's unfortunate that's all they ever really strived for because they could've done so much more, but DS9 filled the "so much more" niche for me.

 

I've watched DS9 in the last couple years and it holds up rather well. Dat SD video quality is a little rough, but still some damn fine TV.

 

I haven't seen Voyager since it aired, but I imagine it doesn't hold up amazing overall and that's where a lack of ambition is going to hurt them; longevity. I guess that's less important when you've already raked in that sweet, sweet syndie money. I can think of several episodes that if I marathoned it I would have to fight the urge to skip even though I haven't seen them since the 90s. Vision quests? Warp 10? Fairhaven? *groooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaan*

 

The only Trek convention I went to years and years ago, I was surprised to find Robert Beltran was an absolutely hilarious individual. Him mocking Chakotay's half baked heritage and sappy New Age vision quests was great. He was there with Robert Picardo, the dude who played Gorn on the original ST, Peter Mayhew, and the gentleman who played Dr. Choatica. Throughout the Q&A no one was asking Choatica any questions and I felt bad for him. I resolved to ask him a question... but couldn't think of any in the remaining thirty minutes. :D Poor guy didn't get a single question. :doh



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Posted 07 July 2018 - 11:40 PM

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:16 AM

I think a lot of the stuff DS9 explored should have been on Voyager. The idea of what does a Federation ship do when it's stranded light years away in uncharted territory. But it never gets touched and instead we get reheated TNG ideas or straight up references.

 

Voyager should have been about tough choices and continuity driven. It could have pushed the crew's values and made them more rewarding when they found a way to still honour them. But it's lifeless and stale and the same attitude would continue on to hurt Enterprise (boy, I sure am glad that show's finale was really just an extra subplot for an older TNG episode!)

 

Voyager could have been amazing. Instead it's just boring.



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Posted 08 July 2018 - 03:34 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)

When youve got 4 (it may have been 3 no i think about it) nobodies that are more interesting than most of your main cast, you got problems
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Posted 08 July 2018 - 07:46 AM

Voyager was one of those cases where the writers and the producers clearly wanted very different products. As others have noted, Voyager had a great setup (and, I'll add, some of the most creative alien designs Trek has ever done), but the producers insisted on a heavily episodic series where nothing could have lasting consequences (for fear of alienating viewers, possibly based on ever-reliable Focus Group Analysis of DS9).

Voyager had the perfect setup for a modern binge-friendly Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/CBSWhatever series, it just got here too soon.

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 11:05 AM

If it wasn't for Voyager and Harry Kim, we may not have gotten President Obama. So there's that at least
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Posted 08 July 2018 - 11:47 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)
 

I love those types of episodes, as they give an interesting perspective on the main characters.  "Lower Decks" from The Next Generation is one of my favorites for just that reason.  "A View From the Gallery" from S5 of Babylon 5 is also a great example, following a couple of maintenance workers as the station is attacked.

 

When they first started really bringing out story bits from Discovery, how it was not going to have the captain be the main character that was followed, I almost thought, or at least hoped, that it might have gone this route.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:41 AM

If you have Amazon Prime, for the next 25 hours as part of Prime Day there are some pretty smoking hot deals on Trek series and movie sets.

 

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it) on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:07 AM

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it)

 

but...but...

 

 

 

 on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.

 

even if they do it, you could always sell the regular versions


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Posted 17 July 2018 - 02:21 AM

One of the saddest things about voyager is that one of their better episodes (to me anyway) didnt even focus on the main characters, but on 4 crewmen not seen before or after said episode (good sheperd)

When youve got 4 (it may have been 3 no i think about it) nobodies that are more interesting than most of your main cast, you got problems

 

Just a poor man's "Lower Decks", another TNG recycle.



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Posted 17 July 2018 - 01:22 PM

Since I'm finally picking up DS9 and VOY (I could've typed Voyager, but I wanted to save time by abbreviating it)

 
but...but...
 

 
 
 on DVD I'm looking forward to the inevitable announcement in 6 six months that they're coming to Blu Ray.

 
even if they do it, you could always sell the regular versions
I don't think it is very likely, there is a pretty good article explaining why TNG was a crazy task, basically recutting the show and recreating all the effects, and why DS9 and Voyager would even be harder sells.

http://www.treknews....-on-blu-ray-hd/
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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:11 PM

So, the rumors were true; Patrick Stewart will be returning to Star Trek in a new CBS All-Access series that's going to tell the story of the next chapter of Jean-Luc Picard's life.

 

Not so excited about Kurtzman being involved... but certainly worth a look.

 

http://www.startrek....nic-picard-role


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:21 PM

So his time as the Federation Ambassador to Vulcan?



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Posted 04 August 2018 - 07:29 PM

Well, I don't think they let themselves be limited by things that might've been mentioned in other mediums, be it comics or the CBS authorized Pocketverse novels (though I wouldn't so much mind if they borrowed parts from the latter). Nor whatever All Good Things may have hinted at about his future, since it was an alternate future.



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Posted 04 August 2018 - 08:29 PM

I haven't been exposed to any of the fiction set post-Nemesis, so they can do whatever they want.

It does seem, though, that Picard won't be in command of a ship, or necessarily even in Starfleet. But, as long as he's still the person we all came to like through TNG, then that's all that matters.

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Posted 04 August 2018 - 08:56 PM

Well, I don't think they let themselves be limited by things that might've been mentioned in other mediums, be it comics or the CBS authorized Pocketverse novels (though I wouldn't so much mind if they borrowed parts from the latter).


Though the idea for this apparently comes from Kirsten Beyer, the "Keeper of the Torch" for the novelverse.

EDIT to add (a link to) the relevant tweet.

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:47 AM

Honestly, I hope that the TNG films are retconned out and ignored...
 

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 07:53 AM

I'd keep Riker finally accepting a ship of his own, but after that yeah there's nothing in the TNG films worth keeping. I'd have said Data's emotion chip but that got progressively forgotten about as the movies wore on anyway.



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Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:06 AM

I like how the novels have spooled things out post-Nemesis, though a lot of it would require explanations that a TV show would probably be better off avoiding.

(Which is not the same as disregarding them, it just means not mentioning them. Don't talk about Data's resurrection, or the Borg no longer existing, or the new DS9 --find new things to explore.)

Admiral Riker is easy, 'cause that's a logical step for his career. Same with having Geordie or Worf show up as captains, or Picard and Beverly having a son (since he exists in both official post-Nemesis timelines) but just leave some things safely off-screen for now.

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 08:12 AM

Have CBS/Paramount ever cared about the Star Trek novels?

 

I hope they give us a Rian Johnsonized Picard.





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