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@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.


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#61 HellCat

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 12:43 PM

I dunno. This Peter seems fun. Not a constant mopey ball of doughy angst because Raimi had some aversion to the fun, quippy side of Spidey.



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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:19 PM

True, but you can't deny that a good portion of the looks into Pete's life do come from Rami film moments.

 

But man I never would of them to go all out Spider-Verse like they did in the movie. I mean it made sense to have Pete show up and Gwen and Noir are decently well known, but adding in Penni and her Sp-Dr mech and Spider-Ham, that has me both worried and hyped to all ends. Granted this is an animated film so they are marketing to the kids more and why not through in the talking Pig for fun. My only thoughts are where is Miguel and Mayday? I get that they have the Spider-women covered with Gwen whose popularity has skyrocketed in the years since the Spider-Verse comics.  And since they are already dealing with Alternate realities it's probably easier not to throw in time travel with the M2 and 2099 universes as well as using Mayday would be focusing on Pete more than Miles.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:33 PM

only thing this is missing is a fred hembeck version


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 01:51 PM

So, I'm kinda wondering, since they show animated versions of some of the Raimi film's famous scenes, if Peter Parker in Spiderverse is meant to be an older version of that Spider-man?

I'd be willing to place odds that that might well be the intent, though i'd also bet nobody will outright say it. There'll be just enough there to imply but never confirm.

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 03:15 PM

The biggest problem with the idea that this is the Raimi Spider-man is that this Peter has a personality that isn't Droopy the Dog


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 04:39 PM

Very true. I still wouldn't put it past them. Plus, you can fudge the personality shift considering this is supposed to be an older Peter. Though it's probably just easter egg style nods to iconic Spidey movie moments.

I too would have liked to see Miguel there too.

Who's the Penni anime girl with a mech?

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 05:58 PM

Maybe after all the angst and drama of the first three films came and went, that Spider-Man's life got easier and he was allowed to have fun again, possibly even settling down with MJ after finally getting the time needed to work things out between the two of them.

 

As bad as Spider-Man 3 was, it did probably have the most scenes of the trilogy in which Peter was shown having fun being Spidey (before all the drama and angst came coming back in full, that is).


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 07:50 PM

Who's the Penni anime girl with a mech?

Think Neon Genesis Evangelion with the Eva just under Hulk buster sizes and CPU's ran with help with super intelligent radioactive spider that has to bite you to form a mental bond to run the Mech. Get in the SP//dr Peni!

 

She was introduced in the first Spider-Verse crossover with her own issue of Edge of Spider-Verse and recently repeated that with an Edge of Spider-Geddon issue.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:45 AM

That...is one of the weirdest alternate Spider idea i have ever heard.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 05:58 AM

Maybe after all the angst and drama of the first three films came and went, that Spider-Man's life got easier and he was allowed to have fun again, possibly even settling down with MJ after finally getting the time needed to work things out between the two of them.

 

As bad as Spider-Man 3 was, it did probably have the most scenes of the trilogy in which Peter was shown having fun being Spidey (before all the drama and angst came coming back in full, that is).

Jake Johnson's delivery even sort-of sounds like a natural progression of Tobey Maguire's more soft-spoken Peter, I think. I don't find it hard to imagine him becoming much more laid-back as he got older and more experienced.



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:03 PM

That...is one of the weirdest alternate Spider idea i have ever heard.

Well it's a bit more than the Japanese series Spider-man with his Leopardon mecha.

 

 

There was also the Spidermobile that was a bit more Spider Speed Buggy.....



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Posted 06 October 2018 - 11:16 AM

The clip at the end of Venom showed that this Peter has mechanical web shooters, so it's not Tobey-man. And we also see a

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 09:03 PM

The clip at the end of Venom showed that this Peter has mechanical web shooters, so it's not Tobey-man. And we also see a

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The older Peter we see interacting with Miles in this movie's trailers is from another universe.


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 09:15 PM

The clip at the end of Venom showed that this Peter has mechanical web shooters, so it's not Tobey-man. And we also see a

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The older Peter we see interacting with Miles in this movie's trailers is from another universe.

They obviously understand that already. They're saying that neither the Peter we see in the trailer nor
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Posted 06 October 2018 - 09:23 PM

I hope Toku Spiderman and Leopardon get to show up in this.


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 10:12 PM

If they do it probably will only be a small flash of a dimension through a portal or such. I think they are already pushing their luck with Ham and Penni.

That said after rereading the Spider-verse books again I loved it when the Leopardon Spidey got to talk to Mangaverse Spidey and straight up black and white Manga Spidey.

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:34 AM

My own bet is that the finale is a literal army of Spider-Men/People. Possibly some silly ones made up for the seconds of screen time they'll get.



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Posted 07 October 2018 - 06:46 AM

It'd be awesome to see these guys again:

 

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No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 08:42 AM

Raimi Spider-Man wasn't out yet then, right? So when that covered Spider-Man said he was an actor, he wasn't suppose to be Tobey Maguire but TV show actor Nicholas Hammond?

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 09:01 AM

I just assumed those scenes similar to the Raimi movies were for the more casual audience's benefit, as non-comic readers would probably recognise scenes from the first movies over famous comic scenes.  They're not even portraying exactly what happened in those movies to a tee, either.





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