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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 02:43 PM

The costumes at the end of Apocalypse were great.

 

Too bad we didn't get those.


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 08:47 PM

I will never understand those missed costume opportunities after MCU showed that they don't ruin a movie.

Bring on the MCU X-men. Or just the Disney-Marvel-owned X-men.

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 09:19 PM

To be honest I'm not even going to bother watching Dark Phoenix. Why in the world would I want to watch another Phoenix movie written by the same guy who gave us X-Men: The Last Stand? No, thanks.

 

 

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 10:42 PM

Not to mention they picked 2 boring people to play jean and scott
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Posted 05 March 2019 - 10:43 PM

To be honest I'm not even going to bother watching Dark Phoenix. Why in the world would I want to watch another Phoenix movie written by the same guy who gave us X-Men: The Last Stand? No, thanks.

 

 

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Really, if you want the concept told better should just go watch Umbrella Academy on Netflix. Probably much more enjoyable then this would be.


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 10:51 PM

Not to mention they picked 2 boring people to play jean and scott

 

Just further homage to X3...


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 09:08 AM

Full title:

 

Dark Phoenix: Dead X-Men Walking


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:45 PM

I really don't plan on seeing this until it hits a clearance sale or a Black Friday deal for it pops up. I am just not a fan of Sophia Turner as Jean Grey, and the trailer doesn't do anything to make me want to see this storyline ruined again.


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 05:55 PM

I'll probably get the bluray just as a complete the collection type thing. But I don't plan on seeing it in the theater and my hopes continue to stay low.
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Posted 06 March 2019 - 07:52 PM

I will never understand those missed costume opportunities after MCU showed that they don't ruin a movie.

Bring on the MCU X-men. Or just the Disney-Marvel-owned X-men.

 

Sorry but this came to mind upon seeing that:

 

 

I never had much of a problem with the X-men movie costumes, at least the first trilogy ones, the ones for First class and beyond, I just don't like, to retro and not that good, to me, I hope they find a balance in the new timeline that the MCU will create, something that pleases the old school fans but also fit the world. Of course, we can likely all agree upon the real star of the Fox's X-men has been Huge Jackman whose role as Logan, AKA the Wolverine has been its break out star!

 

 

Dark Phoenix, I'll likely see on DVD, its not a movie I want to go to cinemas to see, from what I gathered about the behind the scenes, its been a bit of a mess and test screenings haven't gone well with fans, we'll see, it might be that the movie doesn't make its budget back!


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Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:21 PM

 

To be honest I'm not even going to bother watching Dark Phoenix. Why in the world would I want to watch another Phoenix movie written by the same guy who gave us X-Men: The Last Stand? No, thanks.

 

 

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Really, if you want the concept told better should just go watch Umbrella Academy on Netflix. Probably much more enjoyable then this would be.

 

 

Oh, I have been watching and it's quite good. :)

 

 

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Posted 06 March 2019 - 11:32 PM

I'll probably get the bluray just as a complete the collection type thing. But I don't plan on seeing it in the theater and my hopes continue to stay low.

 

thats how i am. ive got all the other x-men movies, so ill probly get this one too. may or may not see it in the theater. probly see it if im doing anything else when its showing


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 01:31 AM

 

I'll probably get the bluray just as a complete the collection type thing. But I don't plan on seeing it in the theater and my hopes continue to stay low.

 

thats how i am. ive got all the other x-men movies, so ill probly get this one too. may or may not see it in the theater. probly see it if im doing anything else when its showing

 

 

Yeah, I own them all in some form as well and My whole issue with this, is that these CAN be really great movies. There are more good x-men movies then bad ones. I just reminded myself of that tonight with Days of Future Past. But the fact that they seem to be remaking X3, which on the surface I can't blame them... but doing so by generally making the same mistakes as the first time, just without the cure plot line. And I just don't know who thought that was a good idea. Everyone involves knows the X3 was horrible and no one liked it... To  the point that even DoFP doesn't seem to acknowledge it aside from the stuff with Jean so why do it the exact same and not try to be different?

 

Which is the thing, the Pheonix saga is one of the biggest most memorable storylines in the franchise... it could have easily been their big event movie. But they're not using anything from it. They strip away everything that elevated it into being something really original and unique and don't replace it with anything. That's what really makes DoFP great. Its only vaguly the original story, but they make it work by sticking true to the important parts while doing their own thing. And it seems a shame that this might be what the FoX-men franchise is ending on.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:45 AM

There are more good x-men movies then bad ones.

 

When was the last time you watched the whole series? Because objectively one and two haven't aged well, AT ALL, then we have Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine, which aren't anything to hand your hat on. Then we have First Class, the one of only two films here that I would call GREAT. Matthew Vaughn did so much to right the universe but when we got The Wolverine, which is middling at most.

 

Then they brought back Singer for Days of Future Past who immediately messed with every character that Matthew Vaughn had set up in First Class and went straight back to ugly black leather and getting Hugh Jackson as shirtless as possible. I'll forgive people who think Days of Future Past is entertaining, but again, not well structured or not a technically well made film. Then we get Deadpool, which most seemed to love, followed by the complete train-wreck and waste of time that was Apocalypse. Finally, we got Logan, the other film that I would call GREAT, followed by Deadpool 2, which was mildly entertaining but a far cry from the first film's heights.

 

If bad=0 okay=1 and great=2, the X-Men franchise is at 9/22.


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Yep.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 11:25 AM

Is it wrong that "The Wolverine" is my favorite X-Men film?

 

Followed by "Days of Future Past" and "Logan".

 

I don't count Deadpool because he's too far separated from the regular X-Men films.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 01:21 PM

 

There are more good x-men movies then bad ones.

 

When was the last time you watched the whole series? Because objectively one and two haven't aged well, AT ALL, then we have Last Stand and Origins: Wolverine, which aren't anything to hand your hat on. Then we have First Class, the one of only two films here that I would call GREAT. Matthew Vaughn did so much to right the universe but when we got The Wolverine, which is middling at most.

 

Then they brought back Singer for Days of Future Past who immediately messed with every character that Matthew Vaughn had set up in First Class and went straight back to ugly black leather and getting Hugh Jackson as shirtless as possible. I'll forgive people who think Days of Future Past is entertaining, but again, not well structured or not a technically well made film. Then we get Deadpool, which most seemed to love, followed by the complete train-wreck and waste of time that was Apocalypse. Finally, we got Logan, the other film that I would call GREAT, followed by Deadpool 2, which was mildly entertaining but a far cry from the first film's heights.

 

If bad=0 okay=1 and great=2, the X-Men franchise is at 9/22.

 

 

The first one hasn't aged well, but I still wouldn't call it a bad movie. X2 I still think is one of the better films. Both of which are still part of the foundation of why the MCU exists as it does today. They're like the 70's Superman films, not amazing by today's  standards but still aren't bad films and are important in the history of comic book movies. X3 and Origins are both horrible. First Class is really well done, DoFP I feel is amazing, I have some minor issues with it but I still think its one of the better ones they've done. Both Deadpools are really good, but I slightly prefer the second one. Not watched Apocalypse or The Wolverine yet.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 01:34 PM

Yeah, none of the MCU would exist without the X-Men series proving that superhero movies like this could be done.

 

Things like Batman & Robin being not too old when the first X-Men film came out.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 03:31 PM

Yeah, none of the MCU would exist without the X-Men series proving that superhero movies like this could be done.

 

Things like Batman & Robin being not too old when the first X-Men film came out.

 

I know everyone loves saying that buy if you look at the MCU the film where it really got its structure and tone from 2002's Spider-Man, and not the X-Men at all. X-Men made $300M worldwide, while Spider-Man made $821M worldwide and laid out that basic structure for every MCU film going forward, especially Iron Man.


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 04:26 PM

True.  But did Spiderman exist due to the success of X-Men?


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Posted 07 March 2019 - 04:50 PM

True.  But did Spiderman exist due to the success of X-Men?

 

I feel its a teired system and not a solo release. Superman manages to show show that they aren't just characters for serials, Batman at least manages  to show there is more to him then Adam West while still being the first peek into the idea that the movies can be dark and mature but still fun. Then things kinds go sideways in the 90's, then Blade and X-Men, followed by Spider-man all help support elements we see more widely today. Blade wasn't a character most would know of being a comic character, but still managed a strong film, much like how MCU operates. X-men is the first recognizable team movie managing to introduce about  11 characters (8 if you don't count Toad, Sabertooth (both barely characters and never seen again, least like this) or Iceman who is barely in this movie but still be a player for 3 more films) fairly effectively, not saying it was flawless just effective, while building a world people want to see more of, and again preforms very well and proves that comic movies don't have to be ridiculous and still be grounded while doing fantastic things. Spider-Man proves that you can do a colorful hero, and still have fun, while not dipping into the camp of the 90's comic movies. Each are steps.


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