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@  ZakuConvoy : (25 June 2019 - 03:09 PM)

What you're describing is more an "homage" than plagiarism, really. I'm assuming you would be using different characters. It's basically like all the comic covers that homage the death of Supergirl cover from Crisis on Infinite Earths...but with different characters. It's not plagiarism, it's a reference. But if several artists have a memorable layout and are all using it, chances are it actually is referencing something memorably original.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:56 PM)

Would that still qualify as plagiarism? After all, it could be argued that what I've recreated isn't that original to begin with since several other people have supposedly had the same general idependently from each other.

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:54 PM)

And I were then to create a new image, not traced but maybe "swiped", except I wouldn't copy a specific source image, but merely recreate the basic pose and perspective shared between all of them...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:52 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:49 PM)

And out of sheer coincidence, they all feature very similar ideas, concepts, poses and/or perspectives, supposedly with none of the original creators having copied from one of the others...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:47 PM)

Assuming I were to find not one but two, three, four or even more source images, all of them by different artists, or by different photographers depicting different models...

@  Nevermore : (25 June 2019 - 01:45 PM)

Just out of curiosity, a question regarding the concept of plagiarism:

@  Benbot : (25 June 2019 - 08:58 AM)

That game needs a remake

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 08:57 AM)

I am Error.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 June 2019 - 08:17 AM)

There is no error. There is only Zuul.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 June 2019 - 07:51 AM)

The unicron singularity fixes all continuity errors.. including Power Rangers related ones now!

@  MEDdMI : (25 June 2019 - 07:06 AM)

I reject your canon and substitute my own

@  unluckiness : (25 June 2019 - 12:32 AM)

Answer: It doesn't matter because even if there was one, it was never relevant in S1 and it got blown up with his original body

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 June 2019 - 10:55 PM)

Most people think Transformers canon is a series of discrete parallel lines, really it's more like a big ball of canony-wanony... stuff.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 June 2019 - 06:31 PM)

Hate to say this, but the simple answer is that you are thinking too hard and realistically, it does not matter.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 June 2019 - 04:57 PM)

Don't tell me what to do.

@  Paladin : (24 June 2019 - 04:16 PM)

don't cross the streams.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 03:03 PM)

Or is this what AVP meant when he said that condradictory streams formed the JG1 timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:25 PM)

I don't like that idea.

@  tffan01 : (24 June 2019 - 02:24 PM)

In Ask Vector Prime, it was mentioned that in the Beast Wars 2 universe, Convoys all have Energon Matrices and that when Optimus Primal from the Japanese Beast Wars stream was transported to the Beast Wars 2 stream, his history was subtly altered that he too possessed an Energon Matrix. What does this mean? That Beast Wars 2 is actually not canon to the Japanese Beast Wars?

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 08:54 AM)

yeah, I've got a few others that I need to check out/get removed. The nose one is small but annoying since I hit it every time I blow my nose.

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 08:46 AM)

Try to get a histopath examination if it isn't too expensive over there. It's probably just a mole but I'd think certainty would be better.

@  MEDdMI : (24 June 2019 - 07:59 AM)

@unluckiness I know, plan to get it removed but gotta get an appt first

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

oops... typed that in the wrong field. :)

@  Gizmoboy : (24 June 2019 - 07:50 AM)

gizmoboy

@  unluckiness : (24 June 2019 - 03:18 AM)

That is not a good thing, especially in the long term

@  MEDdMI : (23 June 2019 - 10:17 PM)

So who wants to hear about this mole on my nose that I keep scratching open

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 June 2019 - 09:24 PM)

Yeah, it's kind of defeating the purpose of making political discussions more restricted if you're just gonna go at it elsewhere on this site.

@  Telly : (23 June 2019 - 07:06 PM)

that would probly fit better in the p & r thread. its there for things just like this

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:29 PM)

The citizens resisted by buying up all the town's beer reserves so the Nazis would have to stay sober the entire time.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Meanwhile, congratulations civil resistance, part 2: So a group of Nazis were holding one of their Good Old Times Reenactment festivals in a small East German town.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:26 PM)

It's basically like an anti-Trump candidate winning Texas.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:25 PM)

The mayoral elections of Istanbul are considered to be a key indicator for the political climate in the entire country.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:24 PM)

This time, it was a landslide victory for the opposition's candidate.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:23 PM)

After president Erdogan had a court revoke the results of the mayoral election of Istanbul after the opposition party's candidate had won by a small margin, the election was repeated today.

@  Nevermore : (23 June 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Congratulations, democracy part 1: Today is a historic day for Turkey.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 June 2019 - 02:31 PM)

Convert, does he timeout?

@  unluckiness : (23 June 2019 - 09:12 AM)

Did he form the feet and legs or the arms and body?

@  Patch : (22 June 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Nah, he was one of the Lions

@  MEDdMI : (22 June 2019 - 04:45 PM)

Is he a Shellformer

@  Nevermore : (22 June 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Supposedly it's about that football player Calvin Johnson.

@  Pennpenn : (22 June 2019 - 07:03 AM)

I'm vaguely confused why there is a Nicki Minaj song in my youtube reccomendations, but even more confused as to why that song (which appears to be from an official account) is called "MEGATRON".

@  Liege : (21 June 2019 - 10:03 PM)

Alpha Q all night long.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 10:44 AM)

Only if you ask nicely, Silv.

@  RichardT1977 : (21 June 2019 - 09:42 AM)

1998 Zilla is the Gaijin era.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 June 2019 - 01:59 AM)

Alpha Q?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 June 2019 - 01:16 AM)

Alpha Q, and U, but not U.

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 June 2019 - 08:55 PM)

KISS Players

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 June 2019 - 07:15 PM)

Ultra Q

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 June 2019 - 03:15 PM)

So which series is 90s American Godzilla?


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#101 Paladin

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 07:45 AM

so who else forgot this damn thing was coming out?

 


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Posted 28 February 2019 - 08:15 AM

Is it wrong that I kinda wish the franchise had just stopped after Days of Future Past? That movie did every thing I wanted an X-men movie to do. It fixed the original films by undoing X3 and it tied up both Movie Series in a really nice place. I just kinda want to leave things there.

X3 was such a bad take on the Pheonix stuff that this can't really help but do better, but it looks like it commits some of the same sins. Near erasure of the alien and sci-fi outer space Super Hero stuff and killing off lots of key main characters to make Jean tough/dangerous.

-ZacWilliam, I can't help but imagine a "real" MCU-like adaption with the Shiar, The Imperial Guard, the fight on the moon, et all, and I can't help think how much better, brighter, fresher and more exciting it would be than this.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 03:39 PM

My headcanon has the series stopped at Days of future past with Logan being the ending to the original 'post last stand' future.


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Posted 28 February 2019 - 06:01 PM

That trailer gave me X3 flashbacks.

 

You do NOT want a movie giving me X3 flashbacks.


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Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
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Posted 28 February 2019 - 06:42 PM

Dark Phoenix Saga (Comics) - X-men do superhero stuff in space and save the day. Jean sacrifices herself to fly them back to Earth. They think she's dead but she appears as the new and much more powerful (and fiery) Phoenix. Granted this power by a vast cosmic entity Phoenix grows more and more powerful. The evil mutant Mastermind mutant-gaslights her into being evil and joining the Hellfire Club. She turns into Dark Phoenix and flies into space and destroys inhabited planets. The X-men fight the club to save her. Cyclop's love gets through to her, she beats Dark Phoenix and Mastermind and becomes Phoenix again. It seems like things are good again but then an alien fleet arrives from the Shiar Empire to put her on Trial for destroying those worlds. The X-men choose trial by combat and on the moon they battle the Alien "Legion of Superheroes" known as the Imperial Guard. Slowly the X-men fall in battle until it's just Cyclops and Jean. Rather than see him hurt or risk becoming Dark Phoenix again she chooses to sacrifice herself a hero, leaving Cyclops heartbroken.

Dark Phoenix (Movies) - Jean had something super powerful, uncontrollable, and evil in her since childhood. Professor X tried to hide/contain it. That fails. She goes crazy with this new evil fire-god Pheonix power, destroys stuff and battles and kills her friends. The X-men have to kill her.


-ZacWilliam, one of these stories is a lot better and cooler than the other in many ways. They are definitely not the same thing. Sigh.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 07:40 PM

I will admit, that was a very cool trailer for what is likely not a great film.

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 08:23 PM

Mystique's Makeup got worse over 19 years

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 09:03 PM


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Posted 28 February 2019 - 09:45 PM

Is that even makeup, or is it CGI?  It's definitely an awful version of one of them.  And then there's that wig on top of it all...

 

Anyone notice the soldiers on the train are wearing "MCU" badges? :p



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Posted 28 February 2019 - 09:58 PM

Yikes.  I think I'm glad that I stopped watching at DoFP.



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Posted 28 February 2019 - 10:38 PM

Yeah, not a fan of how Mystique looks. I may give ita chance, but for the reasons ZacWilliam just noted, I'm not hopeful.
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Posted 28 February 2019 - 10:40 PM

So I'm not the only one that thinks that Dark Phoenix missed the mark and that it looks very skippable if you don't want to relive X3


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Posted 02 March 2019 - 02:51 PM

I get the feeling they are trying to jam far to much into this film, granted I never read the comics, but I have seen the X-men Animated TV series from the early 90s and I thought they did the whole Jean Grey becoming Phoenix nicely and a bit later the Dark Phoenix story and these were multi part stories, also my first exposure to X-men, thus part of me can't help but wonder if this movie should be a two parter! I'll likely catch this on DVD as with the other resent entries into the series, I really felt the last movie was badly done, Apocalypse to me is this bad ass mutant with alien tech, not some body snatcher which is why I liked the Evolution Cartoon verison of the character, he was built up as a serious threat! One thing I suspect Disney will do with the rights to X-men back where they belong at marvel, is produce a new cartoon and give kids of a new generation a taste of X-men, as long its not stupid and goofy since X-men tackles the issue of race, but that is my view.


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 11:07 AM

What I don't get is why. They're blatantly revisiting X3 right down to the "Dark Phoenix" outfit. Days of Future Past very pointedly retconned X3 out of existence.

 

And now they're doing it again. Why?


Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 11:20 AM

Yeah the choice of the outfit is a real head scratcher.

 

Like, why have that same visual representation if you're trying to separate yourself from the first version.

 

Giving her like any other outfit would have been a better idea. 


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 11:35 AM

It also just hit me - where's Nightcrawler? I swear, it's like they want the final non-MCU X-film to be abjectly terrible.


Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
Your fever dream, can't you see it getting closer / Just surrender 'cause you feel the feeling taking over
It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
There's something breaking at the brick of every wall, it's holding All that you know
So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 01:14 PM

They realized everyone hated Trailer 2 a week ago, so they launched Trailer 3. The most detailed look at the film yet, and fills out what has been glossed over in the other trailer.


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Posted 05 March 2019 - 01:16 PM

It also just hit me - where's Nightcrawler? I swear, it's like they want the final non-MCU X-film to be abjectly terrible.

 

He's in some of the shots.  They're just not focusing on him much.

 

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 01:50 PM

I just shrug when it comes to the costuming decisions of these movies, considering 1. Arguably the most iconic "costume" this series has produced is a white tank top and blue jeans, and 2. They had a chance to move to brighter, comic-inspired suits following "First Class", but Singer came back and burned that all down.

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 01:55 PM

...but Singer came back and burned that all down.

 

Like Singer has done with so much in his life.


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