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@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 02:12 PM

She's not supposed to be human though. I figure it's slightly off putting intentionally. It doesn't bother me.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:34 PM

I don't think there's any question it's intentional, it's just a very risky choice. Because yeah, a lot of people are going to be put off by this. I love it, but I also love uncanny dolls. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:54 PM

They had me at Christoph Waltz. He can carry any movie.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 05:02 PM

I find it hard not to be enthusiastic about Jennifer Connelly too. I mean, I'm not sure I've actually seen anything she's done since Labyrinth, but still. 

 

Oh, she did that one Hulk movie, right? There's at least that. And I think I saw Dark CIty. And I've definitely seen bits of the Rocketeer but maybe not the whole thing? 

 

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 05:33 PM

She was also the suit AI voice for Spider-Man in Homecoming.  Because that's an in-joke about her being married to the guy who plays JARVIS/Vision.


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Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 06:38 PM

Aw, that's cute. Haven't seen that yet. Also somehow had no idea they (Paulifer Connany?) were a thing. 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:34 PM

I find it hard not to be enthusiastic about Jennifer Connelly too. I mean, I'm not sure I've actually seen anything she's done since Labyrinth, but still. 
 
Oh, she did that one Hulk movie, right? There's at least that. And I think I saw Dark CIty. And I've definitely seen bits of the Rocketeer but maybe not the whole thing? 
 
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Posted 12 December 2017 - 12:58 AM

 

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

 


 

So in the Alita film thread I should ignore the specifics of the Alita film? You made some broad complaints about whitewashing in a film by one of America's notable non-white directors who in the 20+ years I've been watching his work frequently has more diverse casts than the norm, this one not an exception. I'm not too familiar with the source material. Were any of the characters being played by Hispanic, African, Chinese, or Vietnamese actors/actresses those ethnicities in the manga and do you find it problematic if they don't match up?

 

The Ido picture was not my attempt to make a "point", I was just surprised that when I checked out your specific example of whitewashing he turned out to look like he walked out of a Nazi's blue-eyed-blond-eyed wet dream. How could I pass up making a joke? More seriously, why should he absolutely have to be Japanese? Was there anything central to his character that required him to be Japanese? Christoph Waltz is a fine actor. As long as they did not go out of their way to exclude a man of Asian descent or any other ethnicity what is wrong with his casting?

 

Are there issues with Asian representation in Hollywood? Certainly. I didn't watch Ghost in the Shell 2017, but it seemed to still be set in Japan so there's no excuse to have a white lead. The Last Airbender was a clear travesty. The Ancient One in Doc Strange was multiple layers of stupidity - heaven forbid an Asian mystic in Not-Tibet. Bruce Lee infamously came up with the idea for Kung Fu only to see him pushed aside and replaced with a very not Chinese David Carradine. It's harder for them to get roles that don't require some element of exoticism or mysticism or stereotype. Certainly for Asian-American actors China's box office is a bit of a mixed blessing because we see more Asian faces in our blockbusters nowadays to appeal to that cash cow, but they are imports who are famous Chinese stars. Not much of a help for an Asian-American looking for roles.

 

Where I would push back on is the lazy kneejerk notion that always comes up in all these threads that adapting a foreign property and localizing it is inherently "whitewashing" and bad. Death Note was set in Japan so it can't be transplanted to America? Ridiculous. There's nothing about it that prevented the core elements from being moved across the Pacific. The Film Gods should strike me down for even mentioning these movies in the same paragraph as Death Note, but take... actually, to just be safe...

 

Sergio Leone adapted Yojimbo and made one of the greatest westerns and other than not giving proper credit and having to be sued for ripping off Kurosawa, there was nothing wrong with that. Likewise Seven Samurai's adaptation into The Magnificent Seven was wonderful, is it a travesty that someone liked the story of Seven Samurai and wanted to put it into a different time and land?

 

It's not as if this is a one way street. Bollywood, South Korea, China, Japan, the Middle East etc. adapt US films and TV shows and change their settings and cast appropriately. There are many examples of this.

 

Clint Eastwood's classic western Unforgiven was adapted by the Japanese. Eastwood's wrinkly lily white ass was replaced by Ken Watanabe's wrinkly non-white ass and the Wild West was changed to the Meiji era. Good for them, it sounds pretty cool. The global cross-pollination of stories and ideas helps spur creativity and fresh perspectives. If someone in Japan sees Unforgiven and thinks it'd be bad ass to transplant its core concept to the Meiji era or a South Korean watches some episodes of Suits and thinks it'd be neat transplanted to South Korea or an Indian sees The Godfather and wants to give it a Bollywood treatment... more power to them.

 

So what's wrong with localization? What obligation does Hollywood have to adapt Akira and keep it in Neo Tokyo instead of Neo Manhattan with a cast that is more representative of American demographics and more representative of their domestic customers? Japan has its own film industry if it wants to tackle it one day and it's not as if the anime film is going to disappear. Likewise what obligation does China or Japan have to adapt American or European properties and have a cast that matches those foreign demographics? That's not anymore an "erasure" or whateverwashing as when it goes the other way.



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:40 AM

I think I've made myself clear, I want more Asian actors in leading roles and this film, based on a Japanese property, could do better than having two supporting cast members played by Asians. You're right, it doesn't have to be Daisuke, or any specific character, but the fact that none are there is noticeable and a reminder that Hollywood often shafts Asians.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:27 AM

In an ideal world, in a couple weeks we'll be hearing about nervous executives pulling rank and delaying the movie to re-animate her face, like it was Justice League. Unfortunately, with James Cameron behind this, he can probably force it through.

 

It's a shame, as this looks to be 100 percent relevant to my interests, but I just cant get around those huge, fake, bad-looking eyes. 

 

Like, if this was in development hell for about 20 years, you'd think SOMEONE would have said something. It's kind of tragic to have all that work ruined by one dumb decision.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:33 AM

In an ideal world, in a couple weeks we'll be hearing about nervous executives pulling rank and delaying the movie to re-animate her face, like it was Justice League. 

In an ideal world ... reshooting like Justice League.

 

No. Nosir, those do not belong in the same sentence. = P


Edited by Copper Bezel, 13 December 2017 - 11:33 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:15 PM



It's a shame, as this looks to be 100 percent relevant to my interests, but I just cant get around those huge, fake, bad-looking eyes. 

 

Like, if this was in development hell for about 20 years, you'd think SOMEONE would have said something. It's kind of tragic to have all that work ruined by one dumb decision.

 

It was baked in from the beginning and I suspect they'll be keeping it.

 

https://www.kotaku.c...et-is-reacting/

 

 

While talking to IGN BrazilSin City director Robert Rodriguez explained the decision to give the character these peepers, saying, "The manga anime eyes that we've seen since the '30s and Astro Boy has never been done photorealistically. So, usually when we see an anime translated, it doesn't feel like that."

Continuing, he adds, "The early artwork I saw that Jim [Cameron] had, before it was even technically possible, had that in her [Alita]. It was so striking and so arresting, I thought, 'My god, we have to do that. We have to be the first to bring a true manga and anime character to life.'"


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

You can do that without bugeyes, buddy.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:30 PM

Yeah, I find that explanation significantly less convincing than the animation itself. The choice got weirder. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

Oh, yeah, it's terrible, terrible logic in a whole heap of ways and the outcome of those decisions is far from ideal. 

 

But it's deliberate and they like it. It amazes me that creepy blink-carefully-or-your-skull-will-fall-out eyes were considered so fundamental to the character that they were part of the designs from day one. It really doesn't give them the look they think it gives them. 

 

I think we'll survive it, but in the future people will write books about how weird it was. 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:07 PM

I like that they're fans of the anime and are making these choices in service of being faithful to it. 



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:37 PM

I get that, but at the same time it's a bit odd for them to say "let's tack this very specific aspect of stylisation onto an iteration of the character that is far removed from a context in which that makes sense". 

 

And I want to say "she's a crazy robot lady, her eyes can be whatever the heck size they want", but it isn't necessarily that simple. Maybe. Depending on etc etc 

 

They seem not to have gone Full Alita on the other characters we've seen, right? So how we take her design may be partially dependent on what everyone else looks like. 

 

Also I'm not entirely certain we're necessarily in good hands if they came out of the source material going THE CRITICAL THING WE MUST DEFINITELY CAPTURE IS ALITA'S MASSIVE EYES. Of course, there's nothing to indicate that they didn't collect a whole bunch of other useful takeaways. I'm still inclined to think this looks, from the tiny glimpses we've seen and the history we know, like an adaptation that will reward those who can make peace with the "Aliteyes", as they will surely be widely known. 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:41 PM

as they will surely be widely known. 

very widely.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:43 PM

The problem is "big eyes" are probably the most superficial element of adapting a manga/anime/Japanese thing with big eyes in it, it really should have been last on the list of things to take away. But it's not, so it's going to be the first thing to be commented on!


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:47 PM

we've got to consider the source of this interview. The man was asked about the eyes - so that's what he was going to talk about. It's not like he gave a detailed synopsis of the creative process from day one a few decades ago.

 

This is what they're doing - it's fine to not like it. But when the people making the film tell you "hey, we're doing this because..."  at some point you've got to either embrace it or walk away.





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