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@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)

Hey

@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)

MORE POINTS FOR BLITZWING!

@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.

@  Nevermore : (08 February 2020 - 06:51 AM)

MP-5 Megatron removed.

@  Bass X0 : (08 February 2020 - 05:20 AM)

MP-50 Tigatron and MP-51 Arcee revealed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 February 2020 - 02:26 PM)

SkiNNEERRR

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 February 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Superintendent Chalmers is hilarious too, or was when he was played straight. "An unrelated article." "mm hm." "Within the banner headline."

@  PlutoniumBoss : (06 February 2020 - 09:03 PM)

"I'm not a real Mister but I am a real Burns I am an actual Burns..."

@  Darth Gonzo : (06 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Optimus looks like his Siege figure. Maybe this will be canon to the Transformers ongoing comic series at the moment.

@  Cyoti : (06 February 2020 - 05:13 PM)

iirc megatron ended up in equestria at the end of gi joe v tfs

@  wonko the sane? : (06 February 2020 - 05:02 PM)

I doubt megatron will fall for that friendship stuff.

@  Darth Gonzo : (06 February 2020 - 02:04 PM)

My Little Pony/Transformers is really happening cool!

@  Paladin : (06 February 2020 - 12:49 PM)

I don't know...

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 February 2020 - 12:39 PM)

Okay, Mr. Burns. What's your first name?

@  Paladin : (06 February 2020 - 12:21 PM)

i believe you have a letter for me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (06 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

My name is Mr Burns.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (06 February 2020 - 11:52 AM)

*Walks in and immediately disappears into a bush like Homer Simpson.*

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 February 2020 - 05:05 AM)

Crossgrin OTP

@  TriBlurr : (05 February 2020 - 09:38 PM)

If anyone at IDW is reading this. Feel free to make that canon

@  TriBlurr : (05 February 2020 - 09:36 PM)

Sweet I can ship him with...*throws dart at board* Skullgrin??? Sure that works


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 02:12 PM

She's not supposed to be human though. I figure it's slightly off putting intentionally. It doesn't bother me.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:34 PM

I don't think there's any question it's intentional, it's just a very risky choice. Because yeah, a lot of people are going to be put off by this. I love it, but I also love uncanny dolls. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 04:54 PM

They had me at Christoph Waltz. He can carry any movie.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 05:02 PM

I find it hard not to be enthusiastic about Jennifer Connelly too. I mean, I'm not sure I've actually seen anything she's done since Labyrinth, but still. 

 

Oh, she did that one Hulk movie, right? There's at least that. And I think I saw Dark CIty. And I've definitely seen bits of the Rocketeer but maybe not the whole thing? 

 

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 05:33 PM

She was also the suit AI voice for Spider-Man in Homecoming.  Because that's an in-joke about her being married to the guy who plays JARVIS/Vision.


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Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 06:38 PM

Aw, that's cute. Haven't seen that yet. Also somehow had no idea they (Paulifer Connany?) were a thing. 


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 08:34 PM

I find it hard not to be enthusiastic about Jennifer Connelly too. I mean, I'm not sure I've actually seen anything she's done since Labyrinth, but still. 
 
Oh, she did that one Hulk movie, right? There's at least that. And I think I saw Dark CIty. And I've definitely seen bits of the Rocketeer but maybe not the whole thing? 
 
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Posted 12 December 2017 - 12:58 AM

 

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

 


 

So in the Alita film thread I should ignore the specifics of the Alita film? You made some broad complaints about whitewashing in a film by one of America's notable non-white directors who in the 20+ years I've been watching his work frequently has more diverse casts than the norm, this one not an exception. I'm not too familiar with the source material. Were any of the characters being played by Hispanic, African, Chinese, or Vietnamese actors/actresses those ethnicities in the manga and do you find it problematic if they don't match up?

 

The Ido picture was not my attempt to make a "point", I was just surprised that when I checked out your specific example of whitewashing he turned out to look like he walked out of a Nazi's blue-eyed-blond-eyed wet dream. How could I pass up making a joke? More seriously, why should he absolutely have to be Japanese? Was there anything central to his character that required him to be Japanese? Christoph Waltz is a fine actor. As long as they did not go out of their way to exclude a man of Asian descent or any other ethnicity what is wrong with his casting?

 

Are there issues with Asian representation in Hollywood? Certainly. I didn't watch Ghost in the Shell 2017, but it seemed to still be set in Japan so there's no excuse to have a white lead. The Last Airbender was a clear travesty. The Ancient One in Doc Strange was multiple layers of stupidity - heaven forbid an Asian mystic in Not-Tibet. Bruce Lee infamously came up with the idea for Kung Fu only to see him pushed aside and replaced with a very not Chinese David Carradine. It's harder for them to get roles that don't require some element of exoticism or mysticism or stereotype. Certainly for Asian-American actors China's box office is a bit of a mixed blessing because we see more Asian faces in our blockbusters nowadays to appeal to that cash cow, but they are imports who are famous Chinese stars. Not much of a help for an Asian-American looking for roles.

 

Where I would push back on is the lazy kneejerk notion that always comes up in all these threads that adapting a foreign property and localizing it is inherently "whitewashing" and bad. Death Note was set in Japan so it can't be transplanted to America? Ridiculous. There's nothing about it that prevented the core elements from being moved across the Pacific. The Film Gods should strike me down for even mentioning these movies in the same paragraph as Death Note, but take... actually, to just be safe...

 

Sergio Leone adapted Yojimbo and made one of the greatest westerns and other than not giving proper credit and having to be sued for ripping off Kurosawa, there was nothing wrong with that. Likewise Seven Samurai's adaptation into The Magnificent Seven was wonderful, is it a travesty that someone liked the story of Seven Samurai and wanted to put it into a different time and land?

 

It's not as if this is a one way street. Bollywood, South Korea, China, Japan, the Middle East etc. adapt US films and TV shows and change their settings and cast appropriately. There are many examples of this.

 

Clint Eastwood's classic western Unforgiven was adapted by the Japanese. Eastwood's wrinkly lily white ass was replaced by Ken Watanabe's wrinkly non-white ass and the Wild West was changed to the Meiji era. Good for them, it sounds pretty cool. The global cross-pollination of stories and ideas helps spur creativity and fresh perspectives. If someone in Japan sees Unforgiven and thinks it'd be bad ass to transplant its core concept to the Meiji era or a South Korean watches some episodes of Suits and thinks it'd be neat transplanted to South Korea or an Indian sees The Godfather and wants to give it a Bollywood treatment... more power to them.

 

So what's wrong with localization? What obligation does Hollywood have to adapt Akira and keep it in Neo Tokyo instead of Neo Manhattan with a cast that is more representative of American demographics and more representative of their domestic customers? Japan has its own film industry if it wants to tackle it one day and it's not as if the anime film is going to disappear. Likewise what obligation does China or Japan have to adapt American or European properties and have a cast that matches those foreign demographics? That's not anymore an "erasure" or whateverwashing as when it goes the other way.



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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:40 AM

I think I've made myself clear, I want more Asian actors in leading roles and this film, based on a Japanese property, could do better than having two supporting cast members played by Asians. You're right, it doesn't have to be Daisuke, or any specific character, but the fact that none are there is noticeable and a reminder that Hollywood often shafts Asians.

 

Does that answer satisfy you?


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:27 AM

In an ideal world, in a couple weeks we'll be hearing about nervous executives pulling rank and delaying the movie to re-animate her face, like it was Justice League. Unfortunately, with James Cameron behind this, he can probably force it through.

 

It's a shame, as this looks to be 100 percent relevant to my interests, but I just cant get around those huge, fake, bad-looking eyes. 

 

Like, if this was in development hell for about 20 years, you'd think SOMEONE would have said something. It's kind of tragic to have all that work ruined by one dumb decision.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:33 AM

In an ideal world, in a couple weeks we'll be hearing about nervous executives pulling rank and delaying the movie to re-animate her face, like it was Justice League. 

In an ideal world ... reshooting like Justice League.

 

No. Nosir, those do not belong in the same sentence. = P


Edited by Copper Bezel, 13 December 2017 - 11:33 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:15 PM



It's a shame, as this looks to be 100 percent relevant to my interests, but I just cant get around those huge, fake, bad-looking eyes. 

 

Like, if this was in development hell for about 20 years, you'd think SOMEONE would have said something. It's kind of tragic to have all that work ruined by one dumb decision.

 

It was baked in from the beginning and I suspect they'll be keeping it.

 

https://www.kotaku.c...et-is-reacting/

 

 

While talking to IGN BrazilSin City director Robert Rodriguez explained the decision to give the character these peepers, saying, "The manga anime eyes that we've seen since the '30s and Astro Boy has never been done photorealistically. So, usually when we see an anime translated, it doesn't feel like that."

Continuing, he adds, "The early artwork I saw that Jim [Cameron] had, before it was even technically possible, had that in her [Alita]. It was so striking and so arresting, I thought, 'My god, we have to do that. We have to be the first to bring a true manga and anime character to life.'"


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

You can do that without bugeyes, buddy.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:30 PM

Yeah, I find that explanation significantly less convincing than the animation itself. The choice got weirder. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

Oh, yeah, it's terrible, terrible logic in a whole heap of ways and the outcome of those decisions is far from ideal. 

 

But it's deliberate and they like it. It amazes me that creepy blink-carefully-or-your-skull-will-fall-out eyes were considered so fundamental to the character that they were part of the designs from day one. It really doesn't give them the look they think it gives them. 

 

I think we'll survive it, but in the future people will write books about how weird it was. 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:07 PM

I like that they're fans of the anime and are making these choices in service of being faithful to it. 



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:37 PM

I get that, but at the same time it's a bit odd for them to say "let's tack this very specific aspect of stylisation onto an iteration of the character that is far removed from a context in which that makes sense". 

 

And I want to say "she's a crazy robot lady, her eyes can be whatever the heck size they want", but it isn't necessarily that simple. Maybe. Depending on etc etc 

 

They seem not to have gone Full Alita on the other characters we've seen, right? So how we take her design may be partially dependent on what everyone else looks like. 

 

Also I'm not entirely certain we're necessarily in good hands if they came out of the source material going THE CRITICAL THING WE MUST DEFINITELY CAPTURE IS ALITA'S MASSIVE EYES. Of course, there's nothing to indicate that they didn't collect a whole bunch of other useful takeaways. I'm still inclined to think this looks, from the tiny glimpses we've seen and the history we know, like an adaptation that will reward those who can make peace with the "Aliteyes", as they will surely be widely known. 


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:41 PM

as they will surely be widely known. 

very widely.

 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:43 PM

The problem is "big eyes" are probably the most superficial element of adapting a manga/anime/Japanese thing with big eyes in it, it really should have been last on the list of things to take away. But it's not, so it's going to be the first thing to be commented on!


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 10:47 PM

we've got to consider the source of this interview. The man was asked about the eyes - so that's what he was going to talk about. It's not like he gave a detailed synopsis of the creative process from day one a few decades ago.

 

This is what they're doing - it's fine to not like it. But when the people making the film tell you "hey, we're doing this because..."  at some point you've got to either embrace it or walk away.





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