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@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:17 AM

 

but the problem and the responsibility relating to Asian actors in American film is not an anime adaptation problem, it's industry-wide.

 

Doesn't make it any less worth complaining about?


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:28 AM

It's just conspicuous attention when it comes up primarily in reference to anime adaptations and the like. Like, yes, this film's source material came with an easy "justification" for putting an Asian actor in a particular principal role (and specifically a Japanese actor). Maybe that constitutes a missed opportunity. But it's ultimately no more important for him to be played by an Asian actor than ... pick an action blockbuster, a random principal character, and an ethnicity from your side of the planet. So I feel it's conflating two separate issues, and the important one doesn't have a whole lot to do with this film in particular. 

 

Edit: If you're already looking at films like this as a vehicle for pitching Asian actor roles, though, I guess I can see that "missed opportunity" as having a bigger bearing on the broader issue.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 09 December 2017 - 06:34 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:42 AM

 

Edit: If you're already looking at films like this as a vehicle for pitching Asian actor roles, though, I guess I can see that "missed opportunity" as having a bigger bearing on the broader issue.

 

Pretty much. If people keep going to whitewashed movies, Hollywood will be even less likely to consider not whitewashing in the future.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:08 PM

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:01 PM

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:12 PM

It would be better obviously if this was a Japanese movie full of Japanese people. But it's an American movie based on a Japanese property. Assuming it isn't still full of stuff that's trying to be Japanese (which I gather GITS unfortunately was?) there isn't any particular reason for Ido (or etc) to retain Japaneseness beyond general respect for diversity, right? It's not a This Was Japanese And Must Remain Japanese thing. It's an American remake like Ring or Power Rangers or the Magnificent Seven. I mean, Power Rangers probably isn't a good example really because there's a whole other layer of stuff happening there where they're actively pretending that the Japanese dudes in their original footage are a bunch of kids from Ohio or whatever as soon as they take off their hats. I don't know how we feel about that. It's basically the same as, say, The Office, right? You're rebuilding from the ground up as an American product. You don't have to cast a whole lot of Brits.

There are a lot of different angles here. At the root we have "should American dudes be buying up the rights to make dodgy remakes of Japanese classics in the first place". After that we get to "if they throw some Japanese stuff in as a nod to the source material, how respectful and/or problematic will it end up being". It's also wrinkled by the whole science fiction animation thing. UnlikeThe Office they can have a Belgian woman voicing a dinosaur from Neptune. Which might score them extra points, or might make a bigger mess.

These aren't really worms I want to uncan. I think my nutshell is This Is a Wholly American And Shouldn't Have To Pretend Not To Be. Which isn't to say that they have a pass to exclude diversity-related thinking from their casting processes, but The Manga Was Japanese So The American Movie Has To Be Japanese I'm not sure on.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:14 PM

I don't really care about the adaptation/casting issues, Alita just triggers my Uncanny Valley and I want it out of existence.


But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 09:03 PM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.

 

:???

 

Link

 

 

The futuristic dystopian world of Battle Angel Alita revolves around the metropolis known as the Scrapyard,

 

 

The story takes place in the former United States. According to a map printed in Fallen Angel Scrapyard and Tiphares are near Kansas City, Missouri, and the Necropolis is Colorado Springs, Colorado. Radio KAOS is at Dallas, Texas. Figure's coastal hometown is Alhambra, California. Desty Nova's Granite Inn is built out of a former military base - NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado.[1]

 

White people in a dystopian former United States? smdh!

 

Rosa Salazar - Alita
Christoph Waltz
Jennifer Connelly
Mahershala Ali
Ed Skrein
Jackie Earle Haley
Keean Johnson
Michelle Rodriguez
Lana Condor (part Vietnamese)
Elza Gonzalez
Idara Victor
Jorge Lendeborg Jr
Leonard Wu
Marko Zaror

 

Actually pretty diverse, although that's undoubtedly in no small part because of Robert Rodriguez.

 

Right, but they've explicitly changed main Japanese character Daisuke Ido into a white dude named Dyson Ido, so uh...

 

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Are you sure he wasn't just a weeaboo?

 

On another note, this animatronic Lincoln reminded me of Alita.

 



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 09:58 PM

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 10:32 PM

The original, in both media, is a great classic of a bygone era, a sparkling gem in a sea of bland cyberpunk nonsense. Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense? I almost miss it. Back in the olden days, you took whatever shitty anime you could find and you were grateful for it.

 

assuming you could FIND any! there was a supermarket in my town with a video section and i found a couple there (macross clash of the bionoids [aka an edited version of dyrl], and revenge of the ninja wariior [aka an edited version of dagger of kamui]). found a harlock video at kaybee toys i think. things got better when the 90s arrived

 

being an anime fan in the 80s pretty much sucked :(


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 11:07 PM

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:14 AM

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

As a general complaint about Hollywood, I'm right there with you. I don't know what the missing steps are between No Representation, Offensive Tropery, and Everything Is Better, but hopefully we get that sorted out soon. Should there be a place in this movie, and every movie, and TV show, and etc, for people who aren't obnoxious white dudes? Absolutely.

And true, Ido (despite his Japanese name) has never looked remotely Japanese and why would he, the story is set in America etc, sure. But how many anime and manga characters DO look Japanese? But they still are Japanese, and/or have that Japanese context baked in. You can't necessarily just divorce the character from that heritage simply because they happen to look like RGB Egon (which, thanks for that, can't unsee :) ).

AAAAAANYWAY I love the manga and I hope this movie doesn't suck. I must pop over to ComiXology and replace my twenty year old trades. I don't have much patience for the motorball stuff but on the whole, it's gold. Interesting that even in this relatively enlightened time we're still stuck with that Battle Angel Alita dressing and we still aren't getting a translation of Gunnm starring a chick called Gally.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:14 AM

Casting white people in Akira I could understand the issue... but these characters look as Japanese as I do.

 

which I don't. 

 

Next people are going to be offended if Roy Fokker is played by a white guy.

 

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Clearly the Japaneseiest Japanese guy ever to come from Japan ... can't you tell...

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:24 AM

Oh please, if you made his hair black he'd look exactly as Japanese as his subordinate Hikaru. Anime is styled and doesn't resemble real humans 90% of the time, everyone knows this and it's a dummy point.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:27 AM

Yeah, anime Japan has always had blonde people and has a fair minority of blue-haired, pink-haired, and purple-eyed folks. It's really helpful for viewers like me with moderate face-blindness who can't even tell Hollywood actors apart half the time if they have the same hair styles. And Kamen rider is hard, mang. 

 

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

That's pretty much where I am with it, yeah. :shrug: It's tiring to see it come up with every anime property that gets a Hollywood treatment, since such movies generally have enough problems of their own to deal with. Half the posts in this thread indicate that Alita's eyes are going to be a similar challenge already. Personally, I'm seeing a treatment that makes sense of a manga property that can actually be handled in a Hollywood movie, by a reasonably sensible director. And kinda digging some of the design work we're seeing.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:49 AM

yeah. it's going to be a great movie. and moaning equality transgressions aren't going to make me feel bad for it actually casting people that they wanted instead of bowing to pressure and getting somebody killed like Deadpool two.

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

I think those eyes on Alita are crazy and ill-advised (though on a rewatch they don't seem as bad as I initially thought), but Christoph Waltz in Ido sauce looks to be a great example of how to do this kind of creepy human/CGI hybrid design right. It's him, but tweaked enough to bring out extra Ido and I think it works. 

 

It's still a kind of disturbing point on the human > cartoon spectrum, but clearly that's deliberate and I'm basically happy to applaud them for that. 

 

It's obviously a project that  Cameron is very passionate about given how long he's been working on it, so I wish them all the best. If you're going to adapt a manga series in Hollywood there are worse books to pick - it lends itself to an American remake better than many would. It might still be crap though obviously. 

 

It certainly has a better chance of not being dreadful than Akira, which is very sad because Akira is a vast masterpiece in its original form and deserves a better adaptation than the movie it got. I would love to see Akira adapted properly as an anime TV series or three or four movies. 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:30 PM

I wish James Cameron would invest some time in getting The Abyss and True Lies released on a format newer than DVD... between this and his 15 or whatever Avatar sequels it seems like it'll never happen.

 

The recent 4K edition of Terminator 2 has been something of a disaster, too.

Why, what's wrong with it?  What happened?



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:59 PM

And true, Ido (despite his Japanese name) has never looked remotely Japanese and why would he, the story is set in America etc,

Because (and this is the key point about representation in American-made media): there are ethnically-Asian people living in America, who are as "American" as any white person.

The problem isn't the lack of Asian people, it's the default assumption that "American" = "white" (which, BTW, is why other countries often don't see the problem, because they think America is 99% white people, because that's how America has presented itself onscreen for decades).

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:36 PM

...Alita is creepy as hell.  I don't think I can watch that for 2-3 hours or however long.


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