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@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)

Hey

@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)

MORE POINTS FOR BLITZWING!

@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.

@  Nevermore : (08 February 2020 - 06:51 AM)

MP-5 Megatron removed.

@  Bass X0 : (08 February 2020 - 05:20 AM)

MP-50 Tigatron and MP-51 Arcee revealed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 February 2020 - 02:26 PM)

SkiNNEERRR

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 February 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Superintendent Chalmers is hilarious too, or was when he was played straight. "An unrelated article." "mm hm." "Within the banner headline."

@  PlutoniumBoss : (06 February 2020 - 09:03 PM)

"I'm not a real Mister but I am a real Burns I am an actual Burns..."

@  Darth Gonzo : (06 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Optimus looks like his Siege figure. Maybe this will be canon to the Transformers ongoing comic series at the moment.

@  Cyoti : (06 February 2020 - 05:13 PM)

iirc megatron ended up in equestria at the end of gi joe v tfs

@  wonko the sane? : (06 February 2020 - 05:02 PM)

I doubt megatron will fall for that friendship stuff.

@  Darth Gonzo : (06 February 2020 - 02:04 PM)

My Little Pony/Transformers is really happening cool!

@  Paladin : (06 February 2020 - 12:49 PM)

I don't know...

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 February 2020 - 12:39 PM)

Okay, Mr. Burns. What's your first name?

@  Paladin : (06 February 2020 - 12:21 PM)

i believe you have a letter for me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (06 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

My name is Mr Burns.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (06 February 2020 - 11:52 AM)

*Walks in and immediately disappears into a bush like Homer Simpson.*

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 February 2020 - 05:05 AM)

Crossgrin OTP

@  TriBlurr : (05 February 2020 - 09:38 PM)

If anyone at IDW is reading this. Feel free to make that canon

@  TriBlurr : (05 February 2020 - 09:36 PM)

Sweet I can ship him with...*throws dart at board* Skullgrin??? Sure that works


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#21 2019

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:17 AM

 

but the problem and the responsibility relating to Asian actors in American film is not an anime adaptation problem, it's industry-wide.

 

Doesn't make it any less worth complaining about?


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:28 AM

It's just conspicuous attention when it comes up primarily in reference to anime adaptations and the like. Like, yes, this film's source material came with an easy "justification" for putting an Asian actor in a particular principal role (and specifically a Japanese actor). Maybe that constitutes a missed opportunity. But it's ultimately no more important for him to be played by an Asian actor than ... pick an action blockbuster, a random principal character, and an ethnicity from your side of the planet. So I feel it's conflating two separate issues, and the important one doesn't have a whole lot to do with this film in particular. 

 

Edit: If you're already looking at films like this as a vehicle for pitching Asian actor roles, though, I guess I can see that "missed opportunity" as having a bigger bearing on the broader issue.


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:42 AM

 

Edit: If you're already looking at films like this as a vehicle for pitching Asian actor roles, though, I guess I can see that "missed opportunity" as having a bigger bearing on the broader issue.

 

Pretty much. If people keep going to whitewashed movies, Hollywood will be even less likely to consider not whitewashing in the future.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:08 PM

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:01 PM

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:12 PM

It would be better obviously if this was a Japanese movie full of Japanese people. But it's an American movie based on a Japanese property. Assuming it isn't still full of stuff that's trying to be Japanese (which I gather GITS unfortunately was?) there isn't any particular reason for Ido (or etc) to retain Japaneseness beyond general respect for diversity, right? It's not a This Was Japanese And Must Remain Japanese thing. It's an American remake like Ring or Power Rangers or the Magnificent Seven. I mean, Power Rangers probably isn't a good example really because there's a whole other layer of stuff happening there where they're actively pretending that the Japanese dudes in their original footage are a bunch of kids from Ohio or whatever as soon as they take off their hats. I don't know how we feel about that. It's basically the same as, say, The Office, right? You're rebuilding from the ground up as an American product. You don't have to cast a whole lot of Brits.

There are a lot of different angles here. At the root we have "should American dudes be buying up the rights to make dodgy remakes of Japanese classics in the first place". After that we get to "if they throw some Japanese stuff in as a nod to the source material, how respectful and/or problematic will it end up being". It's also wrinkled by the whole science fiction animation thing. UnlikeThe Office they can have a Belgian woman voicing a dinosaur from Neptune. Which might score them extra points, or might make a bigger mess.

These aren't really worms I want to uncan. I think my nutshell is This Is a Wholly American And Shouldn't Have To Pretend Not To Be. Which isn't to say that they have a pass to exclude diversity-related thinking from their casting processes, but The Manga Was Japanese So The American Movie Has To Be Japanese I'm not sure on.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:14 PM

I don't really care about the adaptation/casting issues, Alita just triggers my Uncanny Valley and I want it out of existence.


But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 09:03 PM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.

 

:???

 

Link

 

 

The futuristic dystopian world of Battle Angel Alita revolves around the metropolis known as the Scrapyard,

 

 

The story takes place in the former United States. According to a map printed in Fallen Angel Scrapyard and Tiphares are near Kansas City, Missouri, and the Necropolis is Colorado Springs, Colorado. Radio KAOS is at Dallas, Texas. Figure's coastal hometown is Alhambra, California. Desty Nova's Granite Inn is built out of a former military base - NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado.[1]

 

White people in a dystopian former United States? smdh!

 

Rosa Salazar - Alita
Christoph Waltz
Jennifer Connelly
Mahershala Ali
Ed Skrein
Jackie Earle Haley
Keean Johnson
Michelle Rodriguez
Lana Condor (part Vietnamese)
Elza Gonzalez
Idara Victor
Jorge Lendeborg Jr
Leonard Wu
Marko Zaror

 

Actually pretty diverse, although that's undoubtedly in no small part because of Robert Rodriguez.

 

Right, but they've explicitly changed main Japanese character Daisuke Ido into a white dude named Dyson Ido, so uh...

 

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Are you sure he wasn't just a weeaboo?

 

On another note, this animatronic Lincoln reminded me of Alita.

 



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 09:58 PM

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.


Edited by 2017, 09 December 2017 - 10:03 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 10:32 PM

The original, in both media, is a great classic of a bygone era, a sparkling gem in a sea of bland cyberpunk nonsense. Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense? I almost miss it. Back in the olden days, you took whatever shitty anime you could find and you were grateful for it.

 

assuming you could FIND any! there was a supermarket in my town with a video section and i found a couple there (macross clash of the bionoids [aka an edited version of dyrl], and revenge of the ninja wariior [aka an edited version of dagger of kamui]). found a harlock video at kaybee toys i think. things got better when the 90s arrived

 

being an anime fan in the 80s pretty much sucked :(


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 11:07 PM

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:14 AM

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

As a general complaint about Hollywood, I'm right there with you. I don't know what the missing steps are between No Representation, Offensive Tropery, and Everything Is Better, but hopefully we get that sorted out soon. Should there be a place in this movie, and every movie, and TV show, and etc, for people who aren't obnoxious white dudes? Absolutely.

And true, Ido (despite his Japanese name) has never looked remotely Japanese and why would he, the story is set in America etc, sure. But how many anime and manga characters DO look Japanese? But they still are Japanese, and/or have that Japanese context baked in. You can't necessarily just divorce the character from that heritage simply because they happen to look like RGB Egon (which, thanks for that, can't unsee :) ).

AAAAAANYWAY I love the manga and I hope this movie doesn't suck. I must pop over to ComiXology and replace my twenty year old trades. I don't have much patience for the motorball stuff but on the whole, it's gold. Interesting that even in this relatively enlightened time we're still stuck with that Battle Angel Alita dressing and we still aren't getting a translation of Gunnm starring a chick called Gally.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:14 AM

Casting white people in Akira I could understand the issue... but these characters look as Japanese as I do.

 

which I don't. 

 

Next people are going to be offended if Roy Fokker is played by a white guy.

 

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Clearly the Japaneseiest Japanese guy ever to come from Japan ... can't you tell...

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:24 AM

Oh please, if you made his hair black he'd look exactly as Japanese as his subordinate Hikaru. Anime is styled and doesn't resemble real humans 90% of the time, everyone knows this and it's a dummy point.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:27 AM

Yeah, anime Japan has always had blonde people and has a fair minority of blue-haired, pink-haired, and purple-eyed folks. It's really helpful for viewers like me with moderate face-blindness who can't even tell Hollywood actors apart half the time if they have the same hair styles. And Kamen rider is hard, mang. 

 

I mean, sure, the fiction can be used to wipe away a specific complaint that applies as a general comment about Hollywood. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Forget I said anything.

That's pretty much where I am with it, yeah. :shrug: It's tiring to see it come up with every anime property that gets a Hollywood treatment, since such movies generally have enough problems of their own to deal with. Half the posts in this thread indicate that Alita's eyes are going to be a similar challenge already. Personally, I'm seeing a treatment that makes sense of a manga property that can actually be handled in a Hollywood movie, by a reasonably sensible director. And kinda digging some of the design work we're seeing.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:49 AM

yeah. it's going to be a great movie. and moaning equality transgressions aren't going to make me feel bad for it actually casting people that they wanted instead of bowing to pressure and getting somebody killed like Deadpool two.

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

I think those eyes on Alita are crazy and ill-advised (though on a rewatch they don't seem as bad as I initially thought), but Christoph Waltz in Ido sauce looks to be a great example of how to do this kind of creepy human/CGI hybrid design right. It's him, but tweaked enough to bring out extra Ido and I think it works. 

 

It's still a kind of disturbing point on the human > cartoon spectrum, but clearly that's deliberate and I'm basically happy to applaud them for that. 

 

It's obviously a project that  Cameron is very passionate about given how long he's been working on it, so I wish them all the best. If you're going to adapt a manga series in Hollywood there are worse books to pick - it lends itself to an American remake better than many would. It might still be crap though obviously. 

 

It certainly has a better chance of not being dreadful than Akira, which is very sad because Akira is a vast masterpiece in its original form and deserves a better adaptation than the movie it got. I would love to see Akira adapted properly as an anime TV series or three or four movies. 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:30 PM

I wish James Cameron would invest some time in getting The Abyss and True Lies released on a format newer than DVD... between this and his 15 or whatever Avatar sequels it seems like it'll never happen.

 

The recent 4K edition of Terminator 2 has been something of a disaster, too.

Why, what's wrong with it?  What happened?



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 12:59 PM

And true, Ido (despite his Japanese name) has never looked remotely Japanese and why would he, the story is set in America etc,

Because (and this is the key point about representation in American-made media): there are ethnically-Asian people living in America, who are as "American" as any white person.

The problem isn't the lack of Asian people, it's the default assumption that "American" = "white" (which, BTW, is why other countries often don't see the problem, because they think America is 99% white people, because that's how America has presented itself onscreen for decades).

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:36 PM

...Alita is creepy as hell.  I don't think I can watch that for 2-3 hours or however long.


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