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@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?


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James Cameron's Alita is actually a real thing?!


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#1 Maruten

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

I obviously fell behind on the news here, because I did not expect this movie to ever actually exist.



Alita herself looks fairly ungreat I think, the others less so maybe. I don't have high hopes, but I have to admit the trailer smashed me in the nostalgia glands.

Edited by Maruten, 09 December 2017 - 02:45 AM.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

That's been in development hell for so long and by the looks of this it should've stayed there.

 

Those eyes are going to haunt my nightmares.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:04 PM

Alita is definitely looking to be the new standard bearer for uncanny valley CG humans but I'm still kind of intrigued by this. More than I thought I would anyways. I started reading the manga with the recent re-release and fell in love with it almost immediately.

 

Shame they're probably going to have to tone down the violence to get it to a PG-13 though.


Edited by unitremover, 08 December 2017 - 05:07 PM.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:24 PM

EITHER GO FULL CGI OR NOT!  NONE OF THIS IN BETWEEN CRAP!

 

Ironbite-it's like I'm back in the Star Wars prequels 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:27 PM

At least the uncanny effect is intentional. And it's not a subtle story, Hollywood can handle this one. 

 

It'll bomb and probably have it coming, but. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Yeah it's weird. I'm usually not bothered by the uncanny valley but Alita hits it for me hard. Which feels especially strange since it looks to be intentional. It's like, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this. I'm simultaneously disgusted and impressed.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:05 PM

Very surprised, pleasantly so, that this is happening.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:14 PM

"I'm not completely human" O_O

 

Gee, ya don't hugging say?

 

I'm intrigued.  I know exactly nothing about the source material, but I do like me some robo/cyborg/things.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:30 PM

I wish James Cameron would invest some time in getting The Abyss and True Lies released on a format newer than DVD... between this and his 15 or whatever Avatar sequels it seems like it'll never happen.

 

The recent 4K edition of Terminator 2 has been something of a disaster, too.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:38 PM

ive never seen any anime or read any manga from this so im "meh". do love me some jennifer connelly though


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:44 PM

I love, Love, LOVE the anime.
All time favorite of mine back in the mid nineties. Shame that they stopped making anime just a few short years later. ;)

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:01 AM

Uggh.  It looks like they just dropped a Pixar model in a live-action world.  Trying to watch it makes my brain cry "DO NOT WANT!"


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:03 AM

The original, in both media, is a great classic of a bygone era, a sparkling gem in a sea of bland cyberpunk nonsense. Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense? I almost miss it. Back in the olden days, you took whatever shitty anime you could find and you were grateful for it.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:31 AM

I'm over the moon about this. 



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:54 AM

Uggh.  It looks like they just dropped a Pixar model in a live-action world.  Trying to watch it makes my brain cry "DO NOT WANT!"

She's a living doll. I mean, not literally, but that's what the visuals are meant to tell you. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works over the course of the movie. 

 

"I'm not completely human" O_O

 

Gee, ya don't hugging say?

 

I'm intrigued.  I know exactly nothing about the source material, but I do like me some robo/cyborg/things.

Yeah, in the original, she just has a specially prepared human brain. It's technically more extreme than GitS, her brain is like ... plasticized, and she doesn't have any normal organic functions. (So that line struck me a bit odd, too, you're like ... 1% human there, dearie. And like Johansson's Major, doesn't remember being otherwise IIRC.)


Edited by Copper Bezel, 09 December 2017 - 02:55 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:01 AM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:45 AM

Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense?


Trailers for the recent Cutie Honey movie made it look like an overly-serious attempt at cyberpunk rather than a violent fashion parade, though I don't know how the actual movie is.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:47 AM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.

Well, the setting for the story IS North America...


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:58 AM

Right, but they've explicitly changed main Japanese character Daisuke Ido into a white dude named Dyson Ido, so uh...


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:14 AM

About which no one would care if it wasn't a manga in the first place, particularly when they are being explicit about the change. I know it's easier to find opportunities where an Asian actor "should" have been cast but wasn't, vs. cases where Asian actors "could" be cast but aren't, but the problem and the responsibility relating to Asian actors in American film is not an anime adaptation problem, it's industry-wide.

 

I'm not going to say it wouldn't be nice and preferable to have a Japanese actor playing a role like this specifically - it should realistically be easy to manage when he's not the biggest face on the poster, and it would be somehow broadly satisfying to have a character who is on the surface a guide and mentor figure be from the nation of origin of the story. But it wouldn't be the most important feature of the film going either way. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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