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@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 02:30 AM)

I want to see the timeline where Nicolas Cage was cast as Iron Man


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#1 Maruten

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

I obviously fell behind on the news here, because I did not expect this movie to ever actually exist.



Alita herself looks fairly ungreat I think, the others less so maybe. I don't have high hopes, but I have to admit the trailer smashed me in the nostalgia glands.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

That's been in development hell for so long and by the looks of this it should've stayed there.

 

Those eyes are going to haunt my nightmares.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:04 PM

Alita is definitely looking to be the new standard bearer for uncanny valley CG humans but I'm still kind of intrigued by this. More than I thought I would anyways. I started reading the manga with the recent re-release and fell in love with it almost immediately.

 

Shame they're probably going to have to tone down the violence to get it to a PG-13 though.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:24 PM

EITHER GO FULL CGI OR NOT!  NONE OF THIS IN BETWEEN CRAP!

 

Ironbite-it's like I'm back in the Star Wars prequels 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:27 PM

At least the uncanny effect is intentional. And it's not a subtle story, Hollywood can handle this one. 

 

It'll bomb and probably have it coming, but. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Yeah it's weird. I'm usually not bothered by the uncanny valley but Alita hits it for me hard. Which feels especially strange since it looks to be intentional. It's like, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this. I'm simultaneously disgusted and impressed.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:05 PM

Very surprised, pleasantly so, that this is happening.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:14 PM

"I'm not completely human" O_O

 

Gee, ya don't hugging say?

 

I'm intrigued.  I know exactly nothing about the source material, but I do like me some robo/cyborg/things.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:30 PM

I wish James Cameron would invest some time in getting The Abyss and True Lies released on a format newer than DVD... between this and his 15 or whatever Avatar sequels it seems like it'll never happen.

 

The recent 4K edition of Terminator 2 has been something of a disaster, too.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:38 PM

ive never seen any anime or read any manga from this so im "meh". do love me some jennifer connelly though


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:44 PM

I love, Love, LOVE the anime.
All time favorite of mine back in the mid nineties. Shame that they stopped making anime just a few short years later. ;)

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:01 AM

Uggh.  It looks like they just dropped a Pixar model in a live-action world.  Trying to watch it makes my brain cry "DO NOT WANT!"


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:03 AM

The original, in both media, is a great classic of a bygone era, a sparkling gem in a sea of bland cyberpunk nonsense. Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense? I almost miss it. Back in the olden days, you took whatever shitty anime you could find and you were grateful for it.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 01:31 AM

I'm over the moon about this. 



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:54 AM

Uggh.  It looks like they just dropped a Pixar model in a live-action world.  Trying to watch it makes my brain cry "DO NOT WANT!"

She's a living doll. I mean, not literally, but that's what the visuals are meant to tell you. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works over the course of the movie. 

 

"I'm not completely human" O_O

 

Gee, ya don't hugging say?

 

I'm intrigued.  I know exactly nothing about the source material, but I do like me some robo/cyborg/things.

Yeah, in the original, she just has a specially prepared human brain. It's technically more extreme than GitS, her brain is like ... plasticized, and she doesn't have any normal organic functions. (So that line struck me a bit odd, too, you're like ... 1% human there, dearie. And like Johansson's Major, doesn't remember being otherwise IIRC.)


Edited by Copper Bezel, 09 December 2017 - 02:55 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:01 AM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:45 AM

Do they still make bland cyberpunk nonsense?


Trailers for the recent Cutie Honey movie made it look like an overly-serious attempt at cyberpunk rather than a violent fashion parade, though I don't know how the actual movie is.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 04:47 AM

Woo, another Asian property with white actors.

Well, the setting for the story IS North America...


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:58 AM

Right, but they've explicitly changed main Japanese character Daisuke Ido into a white dude named Dyson Ido, so uh...


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:14 AM

About which no one would care if it wasn't a manga in the first place, particularly when they are being explicit about the change. I know it's easier to find opportunities where an Asian actor "should" have been cast but wasn't, vs. cases where Asian actors "could" be cast but aren't, but the problem and the responsibility relating to Asian actors in American film is not an anime adaptation problem, it's industry-wide.

 

I'm not going to say it wouldn't be nice and preferable to have a Japanese actor playing a role like this specifically - it should realistically be easy to manage when he's not the biggest face on the poster, and it would be somehow broadly satisfying to have a character who is on the surface a guide and mentor figure be from the nation of origin of the story. But it wouldn't be the most important feature of the film going either way. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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