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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 03:47 PM)

LOL bananas

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.


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#1 Teufel

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:08 PM

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Earlier this week, news broke that Pulp Fiction filmmaker Quentin Tarantino would be joining the Star Trek franchise via an idea he pitched to J.J. Abrams. The news sounded almost too strange to be true, and that perhaps any moment we’d learn a mistake had been made. But now even more details about Tarantino’s Star Trek have arrived, including the revelation that the film will be R-Rated, per Tarantino’s stipulations. In addition to this news, The Revenant writer Mark L. Smith has emerged as the frontrunner to pen the script.

 

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Earlier this week, it was reported that Tarantino has pitched an idea for an R-rated Star Trek movie, with an eye to direct. Now, one of the series’ most iconic captains is weighing in on the possibility — and whether Jean-Luc Picard may make an appearance.

 

“People are always saying to me, ‘Will you be Jean-Luc Picard again?’ And I cannot think that would be possible, but there are ways in which something like that might come about,” Stewart told The Hollywood Reporter at the Dubai International Film Festival. “But one of my dreams is to work with Tarantino. I admire his work so much and to be in a Tarantino film would give me so much satisfaction. So, if he is going to direct something to do with Star Trek and there was the possibility of dear old Jean-Luc showing up again and doing that for Mr. Tarantino, I would embrace it.”

 

Hell yes!

 

Can't wait for Samuel L. Jackson to have been in both Star Wars and Trek.

 

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:27 PM

If it gets us more Picard, I'm totally on board with it. 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:37 PM

oh hug no



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:43 PM

Well now. This could be interesting.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 05:57 PM


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:42 PM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:44 PM

LMAO. I'm genuinely enjoying the divisive reaction this is getting from one post to another.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

Yeah, I've been a Tarantino fan for a couple of decades now, and a Star Trek (well, TOS and TNG) fan for longer, so this seems pretty great to me. Injecting a real auteur filmmaker into what is now a by-the-numbers franchise is an exciting experiment. I love the idea that Tarantino has to work within the constraints of an existing sandbox, and I love the idea that a Star Trek movie will be created by someone with a completely unique and seemingly incongruent creative vision. Whatever else this turns out to be, it's going to be fascinating.

 

Also, Patrick Stewart would love to work with Tarantino and would return as Picard to do it, so um yes please.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:17 PM

For real. I may not like every Tarantino film, but I like Tarantino's directorial style and I think that unique vision would give Trek a much needed shot in the arm when it came to storytelling.

 

At the very least, we'll be treated to a film that isn't trying to re-create Wrath of Khan beat for beat.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:29 PM

Yeah, I've been a Tarantino fan for a couple of decades now, and a Star Trek (well, TOS and TNG) fan for longer, so this seems pretty great to me. Injecting a real auteur filmmaker into what is now a by-the-numbers franchise is an exciting experiment. 

Yes, this, a thousand times. Star Trek and Tarantino are both wonderful things, it's almost impossible for me to imagine the two intersecting, and yet it's guaranteed to challenge them both in interesting ways. And they're both established brands that don't honestly have a lot to lose if the experiment doesn't pan. 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:41 PM

Yeah Tarantino is about as ill-suited to Star Trek as Michael Bay is to Doctor Who.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:47 PM

Are you kidding? Michael Bay's Doctor Who would be incredible!
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:48 PM

Um but Tarantino is good though? Bay is ill-suited to everything because he doesn't make movies. Whether you're a fan or not, the thing that Tarantino does, he does very well.

 

Edit: And yes, I recognize that there's a thing Bay does, and that he also does that thing very well, too. But it's a thing that very infamously does not translate into a cohesive product as a film. So it's not a very appropriate comparison, even as hyperbole (since the part that does line up ... isn't an exaggeration.) 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 08 December 2017 - 09:00 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:01 PM

Bay is ill-suited to everything because he doesn't make movies.

The Rock and Bad Boys aren't movies? Just because he ruined forever all your childhoods or whatever the cry is nowadays?
 
Hell have you even watched Pain & Gain?
 
The Transformers films are as they are because that is what people going in to see "Transformers" will want to see. Lots of kasplodey and over the topness. MTMTE-style minutae isn't going to pack the theatres.
 

Whether you're a fan or not, the thing that Tarantino does, he does very well.

Ok but because you're not a fan you get to be dismissive of another director?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:05 PM

I grew up watching Tarantino. I grew up watching Star Trek. While I had no interest in the Abrams era and haven't watched those flicks I've still loved Tarantino's recent work. So for me it's all upside. I'm not invested in Star Trek anymore so if he crashes and burns like a separated saucer making an emergency landing - no loss.

 

And Tarantino's got such a filmography that the jokes are endless.

 

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:11 PM

To put my reaction in another way...

 


Don't fight it, it's coming for you, running at ya / It's only this moment, don't care what comes after
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It's fire, it's freedom, it's flooding open / It's a preacher in the pulpit and you'll find devotion
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So tell me do you wanna go?

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:15 PM

The Rock and Bad Boys aren't movies? Just because he ruined forever all your childhoods or whatever the cry is nowadays?

 
Hell have you even watched Pain & Gain?
 
The Transformers films are as they are because that is what people going in to see "Transformers" will want to see. Lots of kasplodey and over the topness. MTMTE-style minutae isn't going to pack the theatres.

 

Oh, so you weren't implying "lol bayformers, now do my little pony with moar explosions" with the Doctor Who comment, and just hadn't considered that that would be the inevitable way it would be read? So many layers of nuance and careful consideration I missed in your quippy one-line dismissal. It sure isn't like Bay has an established track record for approaching franchise properties and Tarantino doesn't. I eagerly await your measured insights into why Tarantino is unlikely to be successful in a one-off franchise property experiment that can't help being a Shin Godzilla-like "what if this franchise itself existed in an alternate universe" on the face of it.

 

Edit: More seriously, I don't see any productive direction for this line of argument and don't intend to continue it, but that's at least in part because, you know, I didn't see a productive direction for discussion from the original line of objection, either. Tarantino is definitely not going to ruin any more childhoods with this experiment than Bay has with his franchise. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 08 December 2017 - 09:31 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:36 PM

Oh, so you weren't implying "lol bayformers, now do my little pony with moar explosions" with the Doctor Who comment

Nope.

Just that Bay does visual spectacles that revel in excess, which isn't what Doctor Who is about.

Tarantino apes 70s movie stylings, uses the f-word a lot and has that scene where two people have a chat while one bleeds to death, and that's not what Star Trek's about.

 

 

It sure isn't like Bay has an established track record for approaching franchise properties and Tarantino doesn't.

No but Bay's definitely shown a lot more flexibility in his film career and Tarantino just... does the same. And the same. And the same.


You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 




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