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@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:57 AM


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 04:55 AM

Even teasers have teasers now. Ugh

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:15 AM

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:33 AM

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.

 

Poor Lena Luthor.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:38 PM

Oh wow, I never would've guessed that this dinosaur monster movie franchise would have dinosaur monsters in it.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:01 PM

Even teasers have teasers now. Ugh

 

You'll notice there are no more "teaser" trailers. NATO (National Association of Theater Owners) changed their marketing guidelines, asking studios to stop releasing teaser trailers so early. So now we get "trailer teasers" instead of "teaser trailers". </movienerd>


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:50 PM

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.

What do you mean "again?" Mosasaurus and Pteranodon weren't dinosaurs, dammit!


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:27 AM

I wonder if the park had a bunch of staff whose entire job was just to go around correcting people about that.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:08 AM

I wonder if the park had a bunch of staff whose entire job was just to go around correcting people about that.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:48 AM

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.

Lets have another man screaming in terror as Tyrannosaurs tear apart his car and then each have a piece of him.

Or a man thrown around and then stomped on by a large Spinosaur.

 

Them's the dangers when working with ancient saurians that weigh tons and you're on their food chain.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:00 AM

Damn, that's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:18 AM

 

I wonder if the park had a bunch of staff whose entire job was just to go around correcting people about that.


"Welcome... to Pedantic Park"

 

 

"Spared no expense."

 

 

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.

Lets have another man screaming in terror as Tyrannosaurs tear apart his car and then each have a piece of him.

Or a man thrown around and then stomped on by a large Spinosaur.

 

Them's the dangers when working with ancient saurians that weigh tons and you're on their food chain.

 

 

Not really her point. It's not the fact a woman brutally got killed by dinosaurs that's the issue...it's the fact the death was lingered on in a manner more akin to a pseudo-snuff film then how the Jurassic films have generally portrayed the deaths.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:40 AM

 

 

Can't wait to see some poor lady get brutally killed by dinosaurs in a really cruel way again.

Lets have another man screaming in terror as Tyrannosaurs tear apart his car and then each have a piece of him.

Or a man thrown around and then stomped on by a large Spinosaur.

 

Them's the dangers when working with ancient saurians that weigh tons and you're on their food chain.

 

 

Not really her point. It's not the fact a woman brutally got killed by dinosaurs that's the issue...it's the fact the death was lingered on in a manner more akin to a pseudo-snuff film then how the Jurassic films have generally portrayed the deaths.

 

And that was my point too, these films tend to have unglamorous deaths in contrast to beauty shots. The second film alone had more then a few prolonged gruesome deaths like the one I mentioned, there were others at the hands of the male T Rex and Compys. Nowadays people would kick off if they dared show or imply anything like the second one did with a little girl being mauled off screen.

The next one's about a volcano erupting on the island, and that is not going to be an easy ride with lava, ash clouds and panicked dinosaurs in the mix.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:02 AM

And that was my point too, these films tend to have unglamorous deaths in contrast to beauty shots. The second film alone had more then a few prolonged gruesome deaths like the one I mentioned, there were others at the hands of the male T Rex and Compys. Nowadays people would kick off if they dared show or imply anything like the second one did with a little girl being mauled off screen.


 

 

 

 

Except your examples all lasted a few seconds at most and were not focused on closely. The poor gal in Jurassic World got a minute's worth of terror, and the camera was zoomed in on her reactions to her situation.

 

For your examples to work, the scene in the second movie where the T-Rexs split the guy down the middle shouldn't have happened at a pull back shot, but we should have had a close up on the guy's face as they ripped him apart.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:34 AM

The only part of World I really liked was the T. rex fight at the end. Largely because I always hear the "I'M A MOTHERhugING T. REX!" song in my head when I watch it.



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 11:16 AM

I wonder if the park had a bunch of staff whose entire job was just to go around correcting people about that.


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I wonder if they have a sign somewhere asking people to stop telling them how many of their animals aren't even from the Jurassic period.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:17 PM

 

And that was my point too, these films tend to have unglamorous deaths in contrast to beauty shots. The second film alone had more then a few prolonged gruesome deaths like the one I mentioned, there were others at the hands of the male T Rex and Compys. Nowadays people would kick off if they dared show or imply anything like the second one did with a little girl being mauled off screen.


 

 

 

 

Except your examples all lasted a few seconds at most and were not focused on closely. The poor gal in Jurassic World got a minute's worth of terror, and the camera was zoomed in on her reactions to her situation.

 

For your examples to work, the scene in the second movie where the T-Rexs split the guy down the middle shouldn't have happened at a pull back shot, but we should have had a close up on the guy's face as they ripped him apart.

 

Yeah that was probably the biggest problem with Jurassic World. It was the kind of death scene you would give to the main villain of the movie and not some supporting character that did nothing in the movie to deserve that fate. 

 

Now if that had happened to Vincent D'Onofrio's character it would have been a lot less unnecessarily disturbing,  



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:19 PM

Unnecessarily disturbing is about all hollywood has anymore. They certainly don't have writing or original ideas.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 08:20 PM

There were a couple scenes where it felt like we were supposed to not like her... but we weren't ever told why or anything else that made us actually not like her. 

 

Doesn't make the death any better. But I do wonder if there was something else intended by the script there that didn't make it to the final cut. 



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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:06 PM

There were a couple scenes where it felt like we were supposed to not like her... but we weren't ever told why or anything else that made us actually not like her. 

 

Doesn't make the death any better. But I do wonder if there was something else intended by the script there that didn't make it to the final cut. 

 

She wasn't enthusiastic about looking after some obnoxious brats.





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