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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

How much is Porsche against "war toys" these days?



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:26 PM

Volkswagen Group has licensed Volkswagens, Lamborghinis and Bugattis, so it's hard to imagine one part of it would have a super hardline stance against them. My guess is more "wants too much money" or "are too picky about panel lines" over "don't want to remind people about the first half of the twentieth century", but who knows.



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 02:43 PM

Hound

Jazz

Mirage 

Trailbreaker (in that order)

 

Then the '84 regular Autobots are done. They can sprinkle some mini-bots in between, but they're so close to finishing '84 otherwise.

 

Then, sure, go back to jumping around a bit. Galvatron would be nice, but he needs a Cyclonus and Scourge. I think I'd actually love a Blitzwing and Astrotrain before them though.

 

Oh, and don't forget BW Megatron, Tarantulas, Black Arachnia, Waspinator, and Rhinox.

 

Then Transmetal Primal and Megs.

 

Then... (uh what year is it by now? :D )


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:24 PM

Volkswagen Group has licensed Volkswagens, Lamborghinis and Bugattis, so it's hard to imagine one part of it would have a super hardline stance against them. My guess is more "wants too much money" or "are too picky about panel lines" over "don't want to remind people about the first half of the twentieth century", but who knows.

 

Well, there's also the issue that MP Bumblebee, IIRC, somehow snuck through by using a pre-existing license for regular toy cars.  There may not be a comparable pre-existing license to get Cliffjumper and Jazz to go through.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:45 PM

That doesn't really address the Lamborghinis or Bugattis, although I guess you could argue that neither of those is a traditionally German marque.



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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:47 PM

It also doesn't address the upcoming Bumblebee movie toyline.  Nonetheless, I think that's all we have to go on for explanation at this point.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:19 PM

I know there's no way to say this without sounding like I'm passive-aggressively calling you out, but I'd love to read some kind of citation or explanation of that.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

Well if Takara can ever get Porsche to agree in full on Cliffjumper, a Tap-Out from that mold would be nice. Which of course is still rather unlikely given Tap-Out's obscurity, but then again, Takara did Lambor G-2 Ver. despite not having Lambor in their 1990s G-2 line.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:07 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

 

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The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

When they hold another Japanese fan vote.


Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:41 PM

I know there's no way to say this without sounding like I'm passive-aggressively calling you out, but I'd love to read some kind of citation or explanation of that.

 

Citation for what specifically?


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:39 PM

I think that MP Bee "snuck through".

 

I do vaguely remember seeing that hypothesis somewhere, but I don't recall whether it was confirmed. Also, if that were true wouldn't pretty much anything be allowed (as I doubt a Beetle was the only pre-existing old license)?


 
 
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 03:40 AM

I'm probably forgetting that this was debunked somewhere, but did we ever find out if this Meister/Jazz-y silhouette meant anything?

 

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:27 AM

I'm probably forgetting that this was debunked somewhere, but did we ever find out if this Meister/Jazz-y silhouette meant anything?
 
https://www.allspark...tokyo-toy-show/


It was super fake. Someone found the original image shortly thereafter.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:18 PM

I think that MP Bee "snuck through".
 
I do vaguely remember seeing that hypothesis somewhere, but I don't recall whether it was confirmed. Also, if that were true wouldn't pretty much anything be allowed (as I doubt a Beetle was the only pre-existing old license)?


I haven't found the original interview with Hasui, but the discussion in this thread refers to it.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:48 PM

Okay, so...not quite "sneaking through with a preexisting license", based on that quote. More that they already had relationships with a lot of the car manufacturers via Tomica, and that made it easier to negotiate from a position of familiarity.



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:05 PM

Here's the interview.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 07:19 PM

Here's the interview.


That interview covers the license for Wheeljack, not Bumblebee. But in a similar way, it was enabled by the merger. I think there maybe another interview or article that specifically covers obtaining the license for Bumblebee.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:08 AM

Yeah, that doesn't sound like it sneaked through. I mean, sneaking suggests it was done without knowledge of the other party. And like, I imagine there'd be trouble if they made a transforming robot while keeping VW under the impression that they'd only make toy cars.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:51 AM

That's why I put the "snuck" in quotations. Obviously all parties were involved, but whether or not it was a gray, one-time-only type deal thanks to previous licenses or not is what's hard to determine. In my mind, I compare it to something like Fracture where Hasbro admitted they were pushing the boundaries when they made her. 

 

I certainly hope it means we'll see Jazz, but the approval of one doesn't guarantee the approval of another.


 
 
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