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@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2018 - 04:39 PM)

They may have had it earlier than that; Risa uses weather control tech to maintain its resort-style climate, and it was shown to already be established in the late 22nd century

@  wonko the sane? : (16 December 2018 - 03:13 PM)

By next gen they had weather control on earth, and were even in the process of upgrading the geologic stability network. So yeah: habitat maintenance on the next level.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 December 2018 - 02:51 PM)

Something something invert polarity something technobabble something.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 December 2018 - 02:38 PM)

I imagine World War III managed to decimate enough of the industrial economies that they inadvertently managed to exceed their carbon reduction targets from the Paris Accords, and then by the time Earth got back on its feet after the development of warp drive and first contact with the Vulcans, electricity was able to be generated cleanly and much more efficiently

@  The Doctor Who : (16 December 2018 - 01:48 PM)

I mean, they have futuristic weather control satellites and everything, I would imagine that global warming is a thing of the past in Trek.

@  unluckiness : (16 December 2018 - 09:39 AM)

How's that unrealistic? Not even the ocean wants it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 December 2018 - 01:35 AM)

The most unrealistic thing (from a U.S. perspective) is that Florida isn't underwater!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 December 2018 - 01:35 AM)

I was reminded today of a funny thing about Star Trek:

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 09:58 PM)

Whatever they can sell it for?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 December 2018 - 09:48 PM)

Geez, WTF do those China sellers on eBay need my phone number for?

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 09:44 PM)

Does the PotP voyager Starscream's chest stick out so far in combiner torso mode? It's kinda weird how much Elita Infinite's back seems so empty up top but very... protruding lower down.

@  Pennpenn : (15 December 2018 - 01:26 AM)

Trying to fit Elita One's combiner head back into her torso is a pain in the arse (and not just because her torso becomes her arse in combiner torso mode)

@  RichardT1977 : (14 December 2018 - 10:04 PM)

Power corrupts and corruption empowers.

@  Echowarrior : (14 December 2018 - 07:10 PM)

Welcome to real life...at least until enough people get fed up and they break out the guillotines.

@  Pennpenn : (14 December 2018 - 06:58 PM)

It's almost as if the people with the most money have funneled money into making the systems of government and law serve their purposes in retaining their wealth, no matter how harmful, counterintuitive, or just flat out evil they have to be. Huh.

@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:49 PM)

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/10/mother-jones-vandersloot-melaleuca-lawsuit/

@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:45 PM)

Some states have laws against that, but they're in a tiny minority. There are plenty of cases where rich people have gone after journalists and their employers for accurate reporting, lost, but still left their targets saddled with hundreds of thousands ofdollars in legal fees and no hope of recovering anyof the money because a partisan judge has decreed that while they're innocent, they're not innocent enough.

@  Rycochet : (14 December 2018 - 02:43 PM)

The american system is as bad, there are plenty of cases of billionaires or corporations filing libel suits purely to kill reporting or activisim against their activities. SLAPP suits. Strategic Lawsuits against public participation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 December 2018 - 12:48 PM)

e.g. British libel laws place the burden of proof on the accuser, which is how we wind up with Emirati billionaires suing Western journalists in British courts

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 December 2018 - 12:46 PM)

Never visited the UK in my life, but reading about British laws in the news gives me the vibe that British culture inherently protects the wealthy and established.

@  Anonymous X : (14 December 2018 - 12:39 PM)

Sounds a lot better than labour law in the UK. It's bare minimum standards here, you don't get any employment rights as such in the first two years of employment (and the employer can arbitrarily reset the clock). Unions are limited to a few public sector professions as well; in the private sector, there basically aren't any unions.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:25 PM)

Bonus points if your company has a works council. The employer is required by law to hear the works council prior to giving you your termination. The works council cannot prevent your termination if the employer really insists on going through with it, but if the employer failed to hear the works council, didn't wait for the works council to respond, or failed to tell the works council *all* the relevant details, the termination is legally invalid due to a technicality.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:23 PM)

The employer has to tell you the reason for your termination if you explicitly ask for it, and if you can prove the reason is factually incorrect, the employer may lose the case.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:21 PM)

For all its flaws, I really like a lot about our German labor law. Here, if you're under a permanent contract and have been continually employed for over six months, employers can only fire you for reasons that fall into one of three categories defined by law, and the burden of proof is on the employer's side in a potential court case.

@  Paladin : (13 December 2018 - 05:38 PM)

in brightest day or blackest night?

@  Bass X0 : (13 December 2018 - 05:25 PM)

Finally we get a Greenlight toy.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 December 2018 - 04:58 PM)

See.. In America they would just fire you for having the wrong color shoes on or some BS reason.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:13 AM)

And hey, in addition to the clocked extra hours, I earned an additional 50% overtime bonus.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:12 AM)

This past Saturday, in full expectance of a strike this week, I worked a full extra shift. They assigned me and some of the other volunteers to a totally pointless task, while some ladies were seriously sweeping the floor. When asked how long I was planning to stay, I smiled and said "a full shift!"

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:10 AM)

"You were asking for volunteers, right? I'm staying." - "But we have no more work for you!" - "I don't see how that's *my* problem..."

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:10 AM)

It's possible to use that to troll the employer a little, though... Once they allow voluntary overtime, they cannot backtrack from that. So once you notice you're rapidly running out of work, you just decide to do overtime out of spite.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:08 AM)

Now if there's *no* strike... people eventually run out of work.

@  Nevermore : (13 December 2018 - 07:07 AM)

Amazon is prepared for strikes... they just hire way too many people for the Christmas season. If there's a strike, they still have enough (albeit inexperienced) workers.

@  Steevy Maximus : (12 December 2018 - 07:49 PM)

Not one bit :p

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (12 December 2018 - 06:46 PM)

@Steevy Did you read TM2's post? "Amazon.de".

@  Paladin : (12 December 2018 - 06:37 PM)

just wait until the European economy collapses up its Brexit-shaped asshole.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 December 2018 - 06:22 PM)

Probably not a ton of people, no. Although I'd say I order from one European Amazon site once every month or two, myself. Usually UK, but sometimes Germany as well. France and Italy a couple times, too. There are some good Blu-Ray releases that are exclusive to Europe

@  Steevy Maximus : (12 December 2018 - 06:00 PM)

I'm not sure a European strike is going to impact North American customers.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 December 2018 - 04:13 PM)

Well, somebody must've been working 'cuz I had an order in with Amazon.de that got shipped out the other day

@  Echowarrior : (12 December 2018 - 01:29 PM)

Amazon.

@  Benbot : (12 December 2018 - 01:01 PM)

AOL?

@  Nevermore : (11 December 2018 - 08:22 PM)

Also, strike has been extended. So no working for 50 minutes. Would have been fun, though.

@  Nevermore : (11 December 2018 - 08:21 PM)

I said numerous times already that I work at that big American corporation that begins with "A".

@  Waspinator : (11 December 2018 - 07:21 PM)

Preferably the equivalent of Lara Croft or Indiana Jones a thousand years from now

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 December 2018 - 02:26 PM)

The turkeys... The answer is always the Turkeys.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 December 2018 - 02:05 PM)

Who would be the heroes in this situation?

@  Waspinator : (11 December 2018 - 02:03 PM)

When I die, I want my body to be part of a puzzle solution. Like, have my skeleton pointing at the clue the heroes are supposed to find.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (11 December 2018 - 12:38 PM)

Can you say where you work at? Or is that private?

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2018 - 02:49 PM)

It's completely pointless... whch is exactly the point. Hundreds of workers showing up 50 minutes before their shift is over.

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2018 - 02:49 PM)

We're on strike until midnight tomorrow (Tuesday->Wednesday). Which means I will clock in at midnight and work until my shift is over... 50 minutes later.


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#81 Broadside

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

I have to say, I don't quite get how "Autobots are physically distinct from Decepticons in terms of bodyframes and abilities" really has to do with Megatron's "Autobot oppression" line being accurate...

Another factor is that we've got at least two confirmed and two more implied cases of Autobots defecting to the Decepticons. (Swindle and Lockdown.)

 
Was the Swindle bit ever implied outside the Almanac? I always did think that that Strika entry was implying Swindle was an ex-Autobot, but I wasn't sure.

Edited by Broadside, 12 November 2017 - 03:29 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:30 PM

I feel like it's supposed to be that Swindle is willing to sell to whoever and would rat out the Decepticons in a heartbeat if he was paid enough, not that he was a former Autobot.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:36 PM

I don't know if Swindle is a former Autobot came up in the show at all. I don't think it did. But I know from conversations with Derrick and Marty that this was some of the idea behind the character. That's why he's not especially big, but does everything he can to be as physically imposing as possible. The 'elevator shoes' are probably the prime example of that. Swindle's purple optics were another hint that he wasn't an ordinary Decepticon, but one who had come to the cause later.

That said, since the show itself didn't lean in that direction (beyond informing the design) we were careful to merely imply it rather than outright state it. Sometimes behind-the-scenes ideas do change.

Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

Oooh, fascinating!

(The idea, I suppose, is that he retained his previous Autobot body rather than reformatting, but added the "platforms" and stuff like the cannon?)


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:49 PM

Reformatting is weird in Animated. When characters take on new alt modes, they're cosmetic skins over the ones they already had. Every exception involves mad science or magic. 

 

The fact that Swindle doesn't fly and is not impossibly large for an Autobot makes him look an awful lot like Lockdown, so I'd assumed it was the unstated implication.

 

I have to say, I don't quite get how "Autobots are physically distinct from Decepticons in terms of bodyframes and abilities" really has to do with Megatron's "Autobot oppression" line being accurate...

Because HellCat's reading was that Autobots oppressed Decepticons because they were physically different. (Yes, that reading relies on at least three incorrect premises based on the cartoon and before considering the Almanac II. But it's (exactly all of) what those two ideas have to do with one another.)


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:50 PM

(The idea, I suppose, is that he retained his previous Autobot body rather than reformatting, but added the "platforms" and stuff like the cannon?)


Yeah. His original Autobot superpower would have been his subspace dimension. All of those guns were 'aftermarket.' Not really all that different from Lockdown.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:56 PM

Ah, the subspace pocket as superpower thing makes sense. Awesome. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:59 PM

I feel like the idea is that the vehicle "kibble" is the shell that can be changed to turn into different things, and that on the inside, everybody looks kinda like Yoketron did when he got his spark transferred into a new protoform.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

I'm kind of surprised that this is new information. I would have thought it had come out already on Derrick's Twitter or something.

Now I'm wondering what Lockdown's power might be...

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:04 PM

Going by the toy, mass shifting.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:08 PM

I feel like the idea is that the vehicle "kibble" is the shell that can be changed to turn into different things, and that on the inside, everybody looks kinda like Yoketron did when he got his spark transferred into a new protoform.

Yeah, that would make some sense. So the parts Yoketron didn't have or the parts the Starscream and Omega clones needed in addition to the protoforms would be altered when taking on a new alt mode, but the stuff made up by the protoform itself would be unchanged, and that's enough to lock them into a set of abilities and a rough alt mode type, apart from "mods", which are clearly on the "armor / kibble" side of the equation.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 04:09 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:15 PM

I'm kind of surprised that this is new information. I would have thought it had come out already on Derrick's Twitter or something.

Now I'm wondering what Lockdown's power might be...

 

Could be that it was something he got rid of in favor of his supply of stolen tools and weapons. Or it could be one of those other pieces of equipment he uses, dunno.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:26 PM

Maybe he's more easily modified than most Cybertronians.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:26 PM

That voice might be a superpower. = ] 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:27 PM

His power is that he can sound like anyone. He just chooses to always sound like Lance Henriksen, for obvious reasons.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:30 PM

I mean... wouldn't you?

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 05:27 PM

Yeah, I always figured that Lockdown's power was some kind of "universal donor" thing that allowed him to handle a wide variety of upgrades.
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:42 PM

For the record I still don't feel anyone involved has got what I've been poorly communicating. Just think they have and for some reason got upset about it.

It's why I suggested dropping the matter, since all it seems to be doing is creating ill will.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:51 PM

I've paraphrased your argument a dozen times. It comes in at least two flavors depending on which elements of canon that you forgot about and we raised you're accepting. I would love to see your attempt to explain where I'm misunderstanding you, because I am entirely convinced at this stage that I have put more thought into your fan theory than you have. 


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:59 PM

I like how a thread about someone discovering and loving a new corner of the TF universe quickly derails into drawn out arguments about whether or not the Show is Bad and if You Should Feel Bad for liking it.

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"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."



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