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@  unluckiness : (19 June 2018 - 08:33 AM)

I can dig it

@  unluckiness : (19 June 2018 - 08:21 AM)

So Thunderbolts with giant robots?

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:22 PM)

Thundercracker, in particular.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Some of the Decepticons start to really enjoy being the good guys. Well, they enjoy the act, at least. They find fulfillment in their assumed personas.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:20 PM)

Except SHockwave eventually betrays his teammates and teams up with Skynet.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:20 PM)

Starscream becomes the young, eager Nightscream, and so on.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

Megatron becomes the noble Megabolt, taking cues from Beast Wars Silverbolt.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

A Thunderbolts-esque masquerade.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:19 PM)

In order to do so, the Decepticons pretend to be the good guys and take on different personas.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:18 PM)

So Megatron decides that hey, the Autobots are stillback on Cybertron, so why not team up with the humans, defeat Skynet, then double-cross the humans?

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

Unfortunately, the Skynet/humans war is already going on, and Skynet is evolving rapidly.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

The Decepticons discover Earth and want to plunder its resources.

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

It would have a really crazy twist:

@  Nevermore : (18 June 2018 - 06:17 PM)

I've had this crazy idea for a Transformers/Terminator crossover for years.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:20 PM)

Specifically I'd like to see Skynet's army rise up against him (he did refer to them as an "army of slaves" in Genisys), or even perhaps a peace-minded iteration of Skynet that's existed in a humanoid form long enough to gain some compassion for the human point of view

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:19 PM)

A peaceful resolution would be satisfying for me (it's the only resolution possible in The Matrix series, too), but I think the majority of Terminator fans would walk out think WTF?

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 June 2018 - 05:15 PM)

I liked Clarke as Sarah as well, although I read a lot of complaints online that she looked too young, but I thought she was pretty badass.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 June 2018 - 05:11 PM)

I think across these movies, there's a very compelling story about a progressive temporal arms race driven by mutual fear in which Judgement Day keeps getting pushed back, which only gives both sides more time for technological development, and the only true resolution to it is cooperation. But cooperation will never come about because each side fears being wiped out by the other.

@  Paladin : (18 June 2018 - 05:05 PM)

Genisys basically made Sara Connors' entire motivation in stopping judgement day stem from not wanting to sleep with Jai Courtney. and really, can you blame her?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (18 June 2018 - 03:52 PM)

I'll give Genisys another thing, Emilia Clarke made a damn good Linda Hamilton. (As for Jai Courtney looking nothing like Michael Biehn, that just supports my theory that it's not always the same "Kyle Reese" sent back which would explain why John Connor looks different in almost every movie.)

@  Rycochet : (18 June 2018 - 02:54 PM)

I'm not, I'm lost in music.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 June 2018 - 12:59 PM)

What, again?

@  2018 : (18 June 2018 - 06:33 AM)

It's a time warp. We're trapped in the past.

@  Pennpenn : (18 June 2018 - 05:44 AM)

A rick roll? Really?

@  Waspinator : (17 June 2018 - 11:03 PM)

On the subject of a Mega Man movie

@  Msol : (17 June 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Man I really wish Slash was blue instead of red. Swoop looks off as the only blue one. What a missed opportunity!

@  Otaku : (17 June 2018 - 04:23 PM)

@Bass X0 So, getting back to Mega Man as a movie and smart-aleck answers, wouldn't Astroboy (2009) count? ;) Otherwise, I'm torn; part of me is glad they haven't tried given Hollywood's track record.

@  Paladin : (17 June 2018 - 01:52 PM)

and some TV show...

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 June 2018 - 01:35 PM)

John Connor?! John Connor! JOHN CONNORRRRR!!!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 12:26 PM)

Pretty sure that's what happened to John Connor in that last one

@  MEDdMI : (17 June 2018 - 12:17 PM)

you eat them.... THEY EAY YOU

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 June 2018 - 11:57 AM)

Nanomachines, son!

@  MEDdMI : (17 June 2018 - 11:49 AM)

@Nevermore Rice of fhe Macheens: taking over the world with evil robots the size of rice grains.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 11:36 AM)

It eventually goes off the rails, but the bones of an interesting story are there. I enjoyed it more than Rise of the Machines or Salvation

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 11:26 AM)

There was Genysis, Jujjmend Dae, Salvayshon and Rice of the Macheens, or something.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 11:25 AM)

I actually re-watched Genisys the other day, and I'll give it one thing. The beginning of the movie with the pre-Terminator 1 future scenes all looked really fantastic.

@  Xellos : (17 June 2018 - 11:08 AM)

Five, actually, with a sixth in development. Varying degrees of cannonicity between them, though.

@  Pennpenn : (17 June 2018 - 07:59 AM)

There was only two movies, right?

@  Paladin : (17 June 2018 - 07:08 AM)

overall, lousy. there's one great one, one pretty good one and everything else under that brand sucks.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 June 2018 - 06:52 AM)

uuuhhh, what do you think the terminator movies are?

@  Bass X0 : (17 June 2018 - 06:35 AM)

Why has Mega Man never been given a Hollywood movie?

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:32 AM)

Considering at least half our workforce is not of "German" descent, racism should really have no place at our workplace.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:23 AM)

The one thing that really fascinated me was how he was so adamant that his kids have to learn German that he insisted on only speaking German at home. I'm not saying that this is the one true way to do it, but I did respect him for that.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:22 AM)

Always cheerful, always friendly. Leaves behind a wife and three kids.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:21 AM)

I'd have done this either way, but in this case it particularly pissed me off because the deceased coworker was literally the nicest person you could possibly hope to meet.

@  Pennpenn : (17 June 2018 - 04:18 AM)

He deserved it to be suspended. What an imbecile.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:17 AM)

****ing disgusting racist.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:16 AM)

Guy was immediately suspended from work.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:16 AM)

He literally said in my face "they only make a big fuss because that token negro died". I said "dude, what are you saying?" He said "my parent taught me to say what I think." I said "bad enough for you to think like that." and then reported him.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:15 AM)

So I told this other longtime employee that I was planning to go to the funeral, and he went on a tirade about how "other people had died too", and this was only treated as a big deal because this guy was black.


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#81 Broadside

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

I have to say, I don't quite get how "Autobots are physically distinct from Decepticons in terms of bodyframes and abilities" really has to do with Megatron's "Autobot oppression" line being accurate...

Another factor is that we've got at least two confirmed and two more implied cases of Autobots defecting to the Decepticons. (Swindle and Lockdown.)

 
Was the Swindle bit ever implied outside the Almanac? I always did think that that Strika entry was implying Swindle was an ex-Autobot, but I wasn't sure.

Edited by Broadside, 12 November 2017 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:30 PM

I feel like it's supposed to be that Swindle is willing to sell to whoever and would rat out the Decepticons in a heartbeat if he was paid enough, not that he was a former Autobot.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:36 PM

I don't know if Swindle is a former Autobot came up in the show at all. I don't think it did. But I know from conversations with Derrick and Marty that this was some of the idea behind the character. That's why he's not especially big, but does everything he can to be as physically imposing as possible. The 'elevator shoes' are probably the prime example of that. Swindle's purple optics were another hint that he wasn't an ordinary Decepticon, but one who had come to the cause later.

That said, since the show itself didn't lean in that direction (beyond informing the design) we were careful to merely imply it rather than outright state it. Sometimes behind-the-scenes ideas do change.

Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

Oooh, fascinating!

(The idea, I suppose, is that he retained his previous Autobot body rather than reformatting, but added the "platforms" and stuff like the cannon?)


Edited by Broadside, 12 November 2017 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:49 PM

Reformatting is weird in Animated. When characters take on new alt modes, they're cosmetic skins over the ones they already had. Every exception involves mad science or magic. 

 

The fact that Swindle doesn't fly and is not impossibly large for an Autobot makes him look an awful lot like Lockdown, so I'd assumed it was the unstated implication.

 

I have to say, I don't quite get how "Autobots are physically distinct from Decepticons in terms of bodyframes and abilities" really has to do with Megatron's "Autobot oppression" line being accurate...

Because HellCat's reading was that Autobots oppressed Decepticons because they were physically different. (Yes, that reading relies on at least three incorrect premises based on the cartoon and before considering the Almanac II. But it's (exactly all of) what those two ideas have to do with one another.)


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:50 PM

(The idea, I suppose, is that he retained his previous Autobot body rather than reformatting, but added the "platforms" and stuff like the cannon?)


Yeah. His original Autobot superpower would have been his subspace dimension. All of those guns were 'aftermarket.' Not really all that different from Lockdown.

Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 04:01 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:56 PM

Ah, the subspace pocket as superpower thing makes sense. Awesome. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:59 PM

I feel like the idea is that the vehicle "kibble" is the shell that can be changed to turn into different things, and that on the inside, everybody looks kinda like Yoketron did when he got his spark transferred into a new protoform.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

I'm kind of surprised that this is new information. I would have thought it had come out already on Derrick's Twitter or something.

Now I'm wondering what Lockdown's power might be...

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:04 PM

Going by the toy, mass shifting.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:08 PM

I feel like the idea is that the vehicle "kibble" is the shell that can be changed to turn into different things, and that on the inside, everybody looks kinda like Yoketron did when he got his spark transferred into a new protoform.

Yeah, that would make some sense. So the parts Yoketron didn't have or the parts the Starscream and Omega clones needed in addition to the protoforms would be altered when taking on a new alt mode, but the stuff made up by the protoform itself would be unchanged, and that's enough to lock them into a set of abilities and a rough alt mode type, apart from "mods", which are clearly on the "armor / kibble" side of the equation.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 04:09 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:15 PM

I'm kind of surprised that this is new information. I would have thought it had come out already on Derrick's Twitter or something.

Now I'm wondering what Lockdown's power might be...

 

Could be that it was something he got rid of in favor of his supply of stolen tools and weapons. Or it could be one of those other pieces of equipment he uses, dunno.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:26 PM

Maybe he's more easily modified than most Cybertronians.


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:26 PM

That voice might be a superpower. = ] 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:27 PM

His power is that he can sound like anyone. He just chooses to always sound like Lance Henriksen, for obvious reasons.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:30 PM

I mean... wouldn't you?

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 05:27 PM

Yeah, I always figured that Lockdown's power was some kind of "universal donor" thing that allowed him to handle a wide variety of upgrades.
"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:42 PM

For the record I still don't feel anyone involved has got what I've been poorly communicating. Just think they have and for some reason got upset about it.

It's why I suggested dropping the matter, since all it seems to be doing is creating ill will.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:51 PM

I've paraphrased your argument a dozen times. It comes in at least two flavors depending on which elements of canon that you forgot about and we raised you're accepting. I would love to see your attempt to explain where I'm misunderstanding you, because I am entirely convinced at this stage that I have put more thought into your fan theory than you have. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 11:52 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:59 PM

I like how a thread about someone discovering and loving a new corner of the TF universe quickly derails into drawn out arguments about whether or not the Show is Bad and if You Should Feel Bad for liking it.

Edited by Locoman, 12 November 2017 - 11:59 PM.

"He learned, almost too late, that man is a feeling creature and, because of it, the greatest in the universe. He learned, too late for himself, that men have to make their own way, to make their own mistakes. There can't be any gift of perfection from outside ourselves. And, when men seek such perfection, they find there's only death, fire, loss, disillusionment, the end of everything that's gone forward. Men have always sought an end to toil and misery. It can't be given; it has to be achieved. There is hope, but it has to come from inside, from man himself."



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