Jump to content


Toggle shoutbox Squawkbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

Please don't post Youtube videos in the chat box. The forums software auto embeds them. 

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 September 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Leader-1!

@  Whirl Maximus : (18 September 2018 - 02:25 AM)

"huh?" 'chuckle' in every reaction shot. That's all I remember of Armada.

@  Paladin : (16 September 2018 - 07:36 PM)

if youre looking for sympathy its in the dictionary between shit & syphilis.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2018 - 03:10 PM)

Uuuhhhhhh.......

@  Rycochet : (15 September 2018 - 11:56 AM)

Due to it's concentrated lousiness, even small doses of Energon will age you, yes.

@  Lazy Garou : (15 September 2018 - 10:32 AM)

unicron trilogy video was great, but made me feel a hundred years old.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 September 2018 - 07:32 AM)

Awesome. Good job man.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 09:30 PM)

cleaning up, mostly.but the little plastic piece where the power cable hooked up was broken. That I managed to put back together.

@  Patch : (11 September 2018 - 04:48 PM)

So he also has White Castle-like qualities?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 September 2018 - 02:23 PM)

Just keep him away from the plumbing, he's really hard on the pipes.

@  RichardT1977 : (11 September 2018 - 01:22 PM)

Overlord has some castle-like qualities to him

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 12:15 PM)

Fix it, like, found a working power adaptor, or fix it like: there was saudering involved.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 11:58 AM)

that feeling when you fix something and works like a dream. we now have a working snes in my house and I have tested 10 games on it and they all work.

@  Arazyr : (11 September 2018 - 10:44 AM)

...Now I want a Transformer that turns into a castle.

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 09:37 AM)

You should be careful man, lots of allsparkers life in castle law states. It's a good way to get shot you know.

@  ▲ndrusi : (11 September 2018 - 09:35 AM)

Which house? Mine? Dammit I thought I locked my door!

@  GrungeWerX : (11 September 2018 - 01:20 AM)

GrungeWerX in tha HOUSE!!! WOOT!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2018 - 11:54 PM)

There's been consistently good sc-fi flicks; most just fly under the radar as lower-budget or indie pictures

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:28 PM)

If you can forget about that garbage Ghost in the Shell feature...

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:27 PM)

Upgrade is a GREAT dark sci fi throwback film. Kind of feels like the genre has been nailing some good stuff after a LONG time of drek

@  Sabrblade : (10 September 2018 - 06:34 PM)

Hey, Steve is a Vehicon!

@  abates : (10 September 2018 - 04:44 PM)

I thought it was spelled "Stege".

@  Arazyr : (10 September 2018 - 02:10 PM)

So, "I before E, except after Siege"? :D

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 September 2018 - 01:59 PM)

Memorandum to all: the word "siege" is spelled with the "i" before the "e".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (08 September 2018 - 12:55 PM)

Happy birthday to Star Trek and Star Trek: The Animated Series!

@  MEDdMI : (08 September 2018 - 07:55 AM)

*smacks TMM upside the head*

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 September 2018 - 02:51 AM)

& Knuckles.

@  Pennpenn : (07 September 2018 - 11:01 PM)

Re: Coded?

@  Waspinator : (07 September 2018 - 09:14 PM)

Final Fantasy: The Movie: The Game: Pocket Edition HD Boogaloo

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (07 September 2018 - 01:03 AM)

Funny thing is, I think the pocket edition graphics give the game more personality.

@  MEDdMI : (06 September 2018 - 11:10 PM)

Final Finception

@  Waspinator : (06 September 2018 - 10:29 PM)

They've made a PS4 version of Final Fantasy 15 Pocket Edition. For those keeping score, it's the PS4 version of a smartphone version of a PS4 game.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 09:20 PM)

Ah HA! turns out the trick to installing the rift software was to run it as an admin. Stupid windows 10.

@  wonko the sane? : (05 September 2018 - 04:58 PM)

Awright! I got the display port working! Which means I can now connect my occulus rift!

@  MEDdMI : (04 September 2018 - 10:38 PM)

*just stares*

@  Noideaforaname : (04 September 2018 - 09:36 PM)

Hello there

@  wonko the sane? : (04 September 2018 - 09:06 PM)

Howdy.

@  RichardT1977 : (03 September 2018 - 07:11 PM)

Or just a set of arms and shoulder cannons that combined Legends Godbomber with CW Optimus.

@  RichardT1977 : (03 September 2018 - 07:10 PM)

I still wish someone would make an upgrade kit for Combiner Wars Optimus that transformed from a trailer to a set of limbs with Powermaster shoulder cannons...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (03 September 2018 - 09:48 AM)

I read that as "Basilisky" for some reason.

@  Anonymous X : (03 September 2018 - 03:45 AM)

Basicslly

@  MEDdMI : (02 September 2018 - 11:53 AM)

My bar is the nuttiest around

@  wonko the sane? : (02 September 2018 - 11:10 AM)

Down to the pico second if you believe my atomic clock... you nutbar. :)

@  MEDdMI : (02 September 2018 - 10:55 AM)

60 seconds exactly?

@  wonko the sane? : (02 September 2018 - 10:46 AM)

Oh wow, I got timing. Literally a minute after I get home, it starts to rain.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 September 2018 - 10:43 AM)

Well, I'm kind of flipped to you. Weather wise it's been a ridiculous, humid, sweltering summer. Event wise, it was okay. Not going to complain about what happened.

@  Pennpenn : (02 September 2018 - 07:49 AM)

Weather-wise I mean. Event wise it's been utter shit and I'm glad it's over so it can go jump in a shit-fire and die.

@  Pennpenn : (01 September 2018 - 08:54 PM)

This winter wasn't so bad this year.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 September 2018 - 07:12 PM)

Considering how much sleep I lost to this miserable summer: would it really be so much to ask?

@  Patch : (01 September 2018 - 06:54 PM)

You really think you're going to get to sleep through an entire month?


Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

Oh my god Transformers Animated is so good!


107 replies to this topic

#61 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:25 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

 

The timeline presented in the Almanac actually addresses my initial concern since it does underline that there was imbalance in the society but the Decepticons are extremists who have twisted the apparently genuine oppression of their ancestors into a convenient line to excuse to their own greed. We can likely assume the Destrons may well have been giant power houses too but didn't have their splinter group's thirst for conquest. Hence how they were able to be 'oppressed'.

 

I'm more than willing to acknowledge where official sources actually address or explain the things about the setting that left me confused or I felt were lacking.



#62 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:32 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

I actually just posted and deleted a reply absolving you of the X-Men interpretation that I felt we'd disabused you of. Clearly this is not the case.

 

They're a small faction separate from Autobot society by the time they're weaponized. I don't ... there's nothing to add to that, it just is. Whatever you are picturing here is entirely incorrect. Regardless of the Almanac, there is no reason to assume X-Men when the show goes out of its way to tell us how babies are made and it's "not like that".


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#63 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Differences are one of the key causes of oppression/prejudice. The most notable difference of the Decepticons, by intent, is their size and power. there I could only assume this might be the root of the issue.

 

I'm not sure why this is apparently so offensive to people from the word go. I feel it's a valid flaw in the narrative, hence why I compared it to a similar criticism I had of the species divide in Beast Wars. Yet apparently I've offended various people with this like I invented something entirely from fanon and am pushing it as canon.

 

Last I checked, I don't have a pet snake.



#64 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:42 AM

Differences are one of the key causes of oppression/prejudice. The most notable difference of the Decepticons, by intent, is their size and power. there I could only assume this might be the root of the issue.

The move from "can" to "must" is where this logic breaks down, and in this case, all of the evidence that the Decepticons' "difference" was by choice was in the text from the beginning and regardless of any auxiliary media. So yes, this is where your mistake began, and perhaps it was a reasonable hypothesis until it was contradicted within the series, such as when protoforms were introduced and it became clear that there were no genetic accidents leading to special mutants or whatever and no genetic lineages at all, and particularly when we found that Autobot and Decepticon protoforms were the same in the finale.

 

Pressing the continued retrospective validity of your interpretation after it's been debunked is very foolish. It is impossible to square with the complete series even ignoring the Almanac.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 11:42 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#65 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:47 AM

Then I guess we agree to disagree? I feel I've hit on an unsatisfactory part of Animated's lore and am speculating on it using canon. I'm apparently doing a terrible job at communicating that and worse am pissing people off as they seem to feel instead I'm running with some crack theory that to them comes from a non-hole in their opinion of the show.

 

I'd really rather not piss people off for just trying to speculate about a robot cartoon.



#66 Jim S

Jim S

    Evil Genius

  • Citizen
  • 1641 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Quadwal -3760.925 Theta
  • Faction::Unicron's Spawn

Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:52 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

 

Animated also consistently shows that 5 or so well-organized non-combatant Autobots are about a match for 1-2 Decepticons. So, yeah, I think it's ENTIRELY possible that the Decepticons COULD be oppressed. We don't even know what percentage of society Decepticons make up. (Not counting guys born on Earth, there are about a hundred canon Autobots and maybe 40 canon Decepticons in Animated, so in the show and ancillary material that's about 30%)

 

That said, I don't think they WERE oppressed. 



#67 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:11 PM

Then I guess we agree to disagree?

Why? Why would I agree that you should disagree with me and the text? If you want to be obstinately wrong and insist that the details you noticed in the show are more important than the ones you didn't, I can't stop you, but I do not agee that this is a sensible option. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#68 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:26 PM

 

Then I guess we agree to disagree?

Why? Why would I agree that you should disagree with me and the text? If you want to be obstinately wrong and insist that the details you noticed in the show are more important than the ones you didn't, I can't stop you, but I do not agee that this is a sensible option. 

 

Primarily because I feel I have a valid point but one I really don't want to cause anymore stress over by continuing to argue and apparently communicate so poorly people don't seem to get what I'm saying.

 

Not saying I'm right, just that I don't feel any of the responses here have majorly given me reason to change my opinion on this issue. Plus the thread wasn't made specifically for this discussion, hence why I did things like mention the theme song to show I didn't want to drown it in what I'd started.



#69 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:35 PM

Not saying I'm right, just that I don't feel any of the responses here have majorly given me reason to change my opinion on this issue.

Then no evidence would suffice, and I can only agree that you are disagreeable. Your reading is unsupportable. Period.

 

Particularly this X-Men biology argument that it depends so fundamentally on, for which, for instance, you offered the evidence of the pack-in comic and completely ignored and failed to address my counterargument of the Starscream clones while I was countering the details of the comic argument. That's an example, but it's representative; you are not engaging with the evidence against your case in the way that others are engaging with your evidence for it. Of course you don't find the responses compelling, because we're not talking about them, we're stuck repeatedly countering the individual points you've selected in support of your argument. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 12:36 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#70 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

The comic is a key part of my argument because I can't understand why they'd need to splice Starscream's data into existing Autobots if they could just create new ones. Clearly the Autobots needed a new kind of soldier so why not create brand new flying Autobots and train them directly under the Elite Guard? The fact that they don't to me suggests they can't and the comic almost treats it like trying to splice a human with an animal.



#71 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:18 PM

But the Starscream clones. :Shrug:

 

Obviously they opted not to simply create Starscreams. I honestly think it was for convenience of plot and tension and reinforcing the Autobots' unethical practices and experimentation. It's also possible that the protoform mold affects personality or something, or that they wanted Autobot technologies plus flight rather than a pure Decepticon body, or whatnot. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#72 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:31 PM

But the Starscream clones. :Shrug:

 

Obviously they opted not to simply create Starscreams. I honestly think it was for convenience of plot and tension and reinforcing the Autobots' unethical practices and experimentation. It's also possible that the protoform mold affects personality or something, or that they wanted Autobot technologies plus flight rather than a pure Decepticon body, or whatnot. 

But that's the point I've been making. That my reading is that Decepticon bodies come with the violent personality and the Autobots literally can't just birth a stable Autobot flyer. They have to take the flight capability from an existing Decepticon and splice it into an existing Autobot.

 

Like if I have angel and gingerbread man cookie cutters, slice the wings off an angel and stick them on the gingerbread man.

 

(if nothing else we are seeing how crap I am at visual metaphors).



#73 Tyranno

Tyranno

    Let's not lose our heads

  • Citizen
  • 34535 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:31 PM

I've fallen out of love with Animated, but honestly, how the Decepticons got kicked off is already explained. Omega Supreme was too much of a big deal for them to handle. Heck, it's pretty clear they were WINNING beforehand.

 

Also, a bunch of the Autobots being jerkasses and Megatron being full of bullhockey are not mutually exclusive concepts.


"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


- Amethyst Schaber, http://neurowonderful.tumblr.com/

#74 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:34 PM

Pg9nt.gif



#75 Broadside

Broadside

    Now I'm a beeliever

  • Staff
  • 10485 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Faction::Cannonball's Pirate Crew

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:35 PM

I always read it as "Autobot SPARKS are different to Decepticon ones". For what it's worth.

Edited by Broadside, 12 November 2017 - 01:36 PM.


#76 Tyranno

Tyranno

    Let's not lose our heads

  • Citizen
  • 34535 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

That being said, Hellcat is right, the comic makes it pretty explicit only Decepticons are "coded" to be able to fly from the get go.


"Disabled people donít have special needs. We have very reasonable human needs. Our needs include freedom from abuse, violence, and mistreatment, the right to autonomy and self-direction, the right to represent ourselves, equal opportunity for education and employment, the right to accommodation, and societal inclusion and acceptance.

The need for accommodation isnít a ďspecial needĒ. Itís a basic human right. Itís a leveling of the playing field that allows us the same opportunities and chances as non-disabled people."


- Amethyst Schaber, http://neurowonderful.tumblr.com/

#77 Blot

Blot

    Grumble grumble complain grouse.

  • Citizen
  • 7190 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Faction::Decepticon

Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:42 PM

Pg9nt.gif

"Making the Allspark Almanac more than just a book of character models was a mistake" - Hayao Miyazaki



#78 HellCat

HellCat

    Opinionated idiot

  • Citizen
  • 27135 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

maxresdefault.jpg



#79 Copper Bezel

Copper Bezel

    Feeling nutty, but also grainy

  • Administrator
  • 47081 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Web Exclusive!
  • Faction::Equestrian

Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

That being said, Hellcat is right, the comic makes it pretty explicit only Decepticons are "coded" to be able to fly from the get go.

 If that was HellCat's argument, it would have been a very short exchange.

 

But that's the point I've been making. That my reading is that Decepticon bodies come with the violent personality and the Autobots literally can't just birth a stable Autobot flyer. They have to take the flight capability from an existing Decepticon and splice it into an existing Autobot.

If the Autobots created fully-formed Decepticons to use as soldiers and then they rebelled, the Autobots would hardly need Starscream to access the technology to do so again. That means in addition to it being impossible that Autobots created Decepticons by accident, it is also impossible that they created them on purpose. Therefore, the Autobots did not create the Decepticons, at least as they now appear. Starscream's code includes technologies Autobots don't have, therefore he was molded after the war started, therefore it's a multigenerational conflict. There's no getting around the not-X-Men of it, the Decepticons are a self-made faction with their own technology who look the way they do by choice.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 03:11 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#80 Jim S

Jim S

    Evil Genius

  • Citizen
  • 1641 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Quadwal -3760.925 Theta
  • Faction::Unicron's Spawn

Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

Another factor is that we've got at least two confirmed and two more implied cases of Autobots defecting to the Decepticons. (Swindle and Lockdown.)



Reply to this topic



  


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users