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@  2018 : (18 June 2018 - 06:33 AM)

It's a time warp. We're trapped in the past.

@  Pennpenn : (18 June 2018 - 05:44 AM)

A rick roll? Really?

@  Waspinator : (17 June 2018 - 11:03 PM)

On the subject of a Mega Man movie

@  Msol : (17 June 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Man I really wish Slash was blue instead of red. Swoop looks off as the only blue one. What a missed opportunity!

@  Otaku : (17 June 2018 - 04:23 PM)

@Bass X0 So, getting back to Mega Man as a movie and smart-aleck answers, wouldn't Astroboy (2009) count? ;) Otherwise, I'm torn; part of me is glad they haven't tried given Hollywood's track record.

@  Paladin : (17 June 2018 - 01:52 PM)

and some TV show...

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 June 2018 - 01:35 PM)

John Connor?! John Connor! JOHN CONNORRRRR!!!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 12:26 PM)

Pretty sure that's what happened to John Connor in that last one

@  MEDdMI : (17 June 2018 - 12:17 PM)

you eat them.... THEY EAY YOU

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 June 2018 - 11:57 AM)

Nanomachines, son!

@  MEDdMI : (17 June 2018 - 11:49 AM)

@Nevermore Rice of fhe Macheens: taking over the world with evil robots the size of rice grains.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 11:36 AM)

It eventually goes off the rails, but the bones of an interesting story are there. I enjoyed it more than Rise of the Machines or Salvation

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 11:26 AM)

There was Genysis, Jujjmend Dae, Salvayshon and Rice of the Macheens, or something.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 June 2018 - 11:25 AM)

I actually re-watched Genisys the other day, and I'll give it one thing. The beginning of the movie with the pre-Terminator 1 future scenes all looked really fantastic.

@  Xellos : (17 June 2018 - 11:08 AM)

Five, actually, with a sixth in development. Varying degrees of cannonicity between them, though.

@  Pennpenn : (17 June 2018 - 07:59 AM)

There was only two movies, right?

@  Paladin : (17 June 2018 - 07:08 AM)

overall, lousy. there's one great one, one pretty good one and everything else under that brand sucks.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 June 2018 - 06:52 AM)

uuuhhh, what do you think the terminator movies are?

@  Bass X0 : (17 June 2018 - 06:35 AM)

Why has Mega Man never been given a Hollywood movie?

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:32 AM)

Considering at least half our workforce is not of "German" descent, racism should really have no place at our workplace.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:23 AM)

The one thing that really fascinated me was how he was so adamant that his kids have to learn German that he insisted on only speaking German at home. I'm not saying that this is the one true way to do it, but I did respect him for that.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:22 AM)

Always cheerful, always friendly. Leaves behind a wife and three kids.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:21 AM)

I'd have done this either way, but in this case it particularly pissed me off because the deceased coworker was literally the nicest person you could possibly hope to meet.

@  Pennpenn : (17 June 2018 - 04:18 AM)

He deserved it to be suspended. What an imbecile.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:17 AM)

****ing disgusting racist.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:16 AM)

Guy was immediately suspended from work.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:16 AM)

He literally said in my face "they only make a big fuss because that token negro died". I said "dude, what are you saying?" He said "my parent taught me to say what I think." I said "bad enough for you to think like that." and then reported him.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:15 AM)

So I told this other longtime employee that I was planning to go to the funeral, and he went on a tirade about how "other people had died too", and this was only treated as a big deal because this guy was black.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:13 AM)

A longtime coworker who originated from Ghana had died, really nice guy, I attended his funeral on Friday.

@  Nevermore : (17 June 2018 - 04:13 AM)

So on Thursday I had to report a coworker for extremely racist remarks...

@  Pennpenn : (17 June 2018 - 03:53 AM)

Yes and yes, thank you

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 June 2018 - 09:27 PM)

Pennpenn: do you mean the one in the tweet? Does a direct link work?

@  Pennpenn : (16 June 2018 - 06:57 PM)

Picture appears to be gone?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 June 2018 - 04:03 PM)

NVK is right though. IIRC this is IDW's first time utilizing 3P designs in an issue. Discounting that one time with the alternate cover.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 June 2018 - 03:45 PM)

Huh.

@  Paladin : (16 June 2018 - 03:11 PM)

https://twitter.com/Scotty__P/status/1008013262707986433 check out that panel. It's absolutely MMC's Calidus & Stray.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 June 2018 - 03:09 PM)

When has this happened aside from some cover art?

@  Paladin : (16 June 2018 - 02:48 PM)

so apparently IDW is actually using 3P designs in the actual comics now. That's weirdly meta even for them...

@  wonko the sane? : (16 June 2018 - 12:26 PM)

I was all ready to get one today. Walmart didn't have one. Barely had anything on that aisle, and haven't restocked since february.

@  unluckiness : (14 June 2018 - 08:35 AM)

Exactly. I borrowed one and it's a decent toy but not enough to put up with stickers.

@  Pennpenn : (14 June 2018 - 08:30 AM)

So it's possible you just won't ever buy that Rodimus?

@  unluckiness : (14 June 2018 - 05:55 AM)

I'm not buying Rodimus until a version without stickers comes out. I'm not gonna try to paint on flames.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (13 June 2018 - 05:52 PM)

I don't think it really matters either way.

@  abates : (13 June 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Do we need a new general Hall of Fame discussion thread or should I just necromancy this one?

@  Otaku : (13 June 2018 - 04:23 PM)

@TheMightyMollusk They almost always have me at "black repaint". Well, they would if I could afford to buy more toys. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 June 2018 - 03:17 PM)

I prefer Rodimus Unicronus. An evil black repaint that isn't Optimus, he looks badass, and his head makes me think of Lemmy Kilmister.

@  Telly : (13 June 2018 - 03:02 PM)

just get the reprolabels for rodimus and all will be good. as for the toy itself, im still not too keen on the rodimus mode (its too big for my uses to be honest), but the hot rod part has grown on me. using THAT as rodimus is perfect

@  Steevy Maximus : (13 June 2018 - 12:31 PM)

There is no "fixing" stickers...

@  unluckiness : (13 June 2018 - 07:42 AM)

I think the rerelease in the Primal wave is supposed to have fixed stickers though.

@  unluckiness : (13 June 2018 - 07:42 AM)

It's okay but the stickers on hinges suck and the thinner panels are scary to manipulate.


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#61 HellCat

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:25 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

 

The timeline presented in the Almanac actually addresses my initial concern since it does underline that there was imbalance in the society but the Decepticons are extremists who have twisted the apparently genuine oppression of their ancestors into a convenient line to excuse to their own greed. We can likely assume the Destrons may well have been giant power houses too but didn't have their splinter group's thirst for conquest. Hence how they were able to be 'oppressed'.

 

I'm more than willing to acknowledge where official sources actually address or explain the things about the setting that left me confused or I felt were lacking.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:32 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

I actually just posted and deleted a reply absolving you of the X-Men interpretation that I felt we'd disabused you of. Clearly this is not the case.

 

They're a small faction separate from Autobot society by the time they're weaponized. I don't ... there's nothing to add to that, it just is. Whatever you are picturing here is entirely incorrect. Regardless of the Almanac, there is no reason to assume X-Men when the show goes out of its way to tell us how babies are made and it's "not like that".


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Differences are one of the key causes of oppression/prejudice. The most notable difference of the Decepticons, by intent, is their size and power. there I could only assume this might be the root of the issue.

 

I'm not sure why this is apparently so offensive to people from the word go. I feel it's a valid flaw in the narrative, hence why I compared it to a similar criticism I had of the species divide in Beast Wars. Yet apparently I've offended various people with this like I invented something entirely from fanon and am pushing it as canon.

 

Last I checked, I don't have a pet snake.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:42 AM

Differences are one of the key causes of oppression/prejudice. The most notable difference of the Decepticons, by intent, is their size and power. there I could only assume this might be the root of the issue.

The move from "can" to "must" is where this logic breaks down, and in this case, all of the evidence that the Decepticons' "difference" was by choice was in the text from the beginning and regardless of any auxiliary media. So yes, this is where your mistake began, and perhaps it was a reasonable hypothesis until it was contradicted within the series, such as when protoforms were introduced and it became clear that there were no genetic accidents leading to special mutants or whatever and no genetic lineages at all, and particularly when we found that Autobot and Decepticon protoforms were the same in the finale.

 

Pressing the continued retrospective validity of your interpretation after it's been debunked is very foolish. It is impossible to square with the complete series even ignoring the Almanac.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 11:42 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#65 HellCat

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:47 AM

Then I guess we agree to disagree? I feel I've hit on an unsatisfactory part of Animated's lore and am speculating on it using canon. I'm apparently doing a terrible job at communicating that and worse am pissing people off as they seem to feel instead I'm running with some crack theory that to them comes from a non-hole in their opinion of the show.

 

I'd really rather not piss people off for just trying to speculate about a robot cartoon.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:52 AM

Can a bigger and stronger human level a city block?

 

Animated specifically went out of its way to make the Decepticons be one man armies to even a team of Autobots, including Elite Guard officers. They are living weapons in a way humans never could be, hence why I said '10ft tall with super powers' as my attempt to compare Animated Cybertronian society to a human one. Unless I've missed something, there are no 10ft humans with super powers running around.

 

Animated also consistently shows that 5 or so well-organized non-combatant Autobots are about a match for 1-2 Decepticons. So, yeah, I think it's ENTIRELY possible that the Decepticons COULD be oppressed. We don't even know what percentage of society Decepticons make up. (Not counting guys born on Earth, there are about a hundred canon Autobots and maybe 40 canon Decepticons in Animated, so in the show and ancillary material that's about 30%)

 

That said, I don't think they WERE oppressed. 



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:11 PM

Then I guess we agree to disagree?

Why? Why would I agree that you should disagree with me and the text? If you want to be obstinately wrong and insist that the details you noticed in the show are more important than the ones you didn't, I can't stop you, but I do not agee that this is a sensible option. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:26 PM

 

Then I guess we agree to disagree?

Why? Why would I agree that you should disagree with me and the text? If you want to be obstinately wrong and insist that the details you noticed in the show are more important than the ones you didn't, I can't stop you, but I do not agee that this is a sensible option. 

 

Primarily because I feel I have a valid point but one I really don't want to cause anymore stress over by continuing to argue and apparently communicate so poorly people don't seem to get what I'm saying.

 

Not saying I'm right, just that I don't feel any of the responses here have majorly given me reason to change my opinion on this issue. Plus the thread wasn't made specifically for this discussion, hence why I did things like mention the theme song to show I didn't want to drown it in what I'd started.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:35 PM

Not saying I'm right, just that I don't feel any of the responses here have majorly given me reason to change my opinion on this issue.

Then no evidence would suffice, and I can only agree that you are disagreeable. Your reading is unsupportable. Period.

 

Particularly this X-Men biology argument that it depends so fundamentally on, for which, for instance, you offered the evidence of the pack-in comic and completely ignored and failed to address my counterargument of the Starscream clones while I was countering the details of the comic argument. That's an example, but it's representative; you are not engaging with the evidence against your case in the way that others are engaging with your evidence for it. Of course you don't find the responses compelling, because we're not talking about them, we're stuck repeatedly countering the individual points you've selected in support of your argument. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 12:36 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

The comic is a key part of my argument because I can't understand why they'd need to splice Starscream's data into existing Autobots if they could just create new ones. Clearly the Autobots needed a new kind of soldier so why not create brand new flying Autobots and train them directly under the Elite Guard? The fact that they don't to me suggests they can't and the comic almost treats it like trying to splice a human with an animal.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:18 PM

But the Starscream clones. :Shrug:

 

Obviously they opted not to simply create Starscreams. I honestly think it was for convenience of plot and tension and reinforcing the Autobots' unethical practices and experimentation. It's also possible that the protoform mold affects personality or something, or that they wanted Autobot technologies plus flight rather than a pure Decepticon body, or whatnot. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:31 PM

But the Starscream clones. :Shrug:

 

Obviously they opted not to simply create Starscreams. I honestly think it was for convenience of plot and tension and reinforcing the Autobots' unethical practices and experimentation. It's also possible that the protoform mold affects personality or something, or that they wanted Autobot technologies plus flight rather than a pure Decepticon body, or whatnot. 

But that's the point I've been making. That my reading is that Decepticon bodies come with the violent personality and the Autobots literally can't just birth a stable Autobot flyer. They have to take the flight capability from an existing Decepticon and splice it into an existing Autobot.

 

Like if I have angel and gingerbread man cookie cutters, slice the wings off an angel and stick them on the gingerbread man.

 

(if nothing else we are seeing how crap I am at visual metaphors).



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:31 PM

I've fallen out of love with Animated, but honestly, how the Decepticons got kicked off is already explained. Omega Supreme was too much of a big deal for them to handle. Heck, it's pretty clear they were WINNING beforehand.

 

Also, a bunch of the Autobots being jerkasses and Megatron being full of bullhockey are not mutually exclusive concepts.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:34 PM

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:35 PM

I always read it as "Autobot SPARKS are different to Decepticon ones". For what it's worth.

Edited by Broadside, 12 November 2017 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

That being said, Hellcat is right, the comic makes it pretty explicit only Decepticons are "coded" to be able to fly from the get go.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:42 PM

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

That being said, Hellcat is right, the comic makes it pretty explicit only Decepticons are "coded" to be able to fly from the get go.

 If that was HellCat's argument, it would have been a very short exchange.

 

But that's the point I've been making. That my reading is that Decepticon bodies come with the violent personality and the Autobots literally can't just birth a stable Autobot flyer. They have to take the flight capability from an existing Decepticon and splice it into an existing Autobot.

If the Autobots created fully-formed Decepticons to use as soldiers and then they rebelled, the Autobots would hardly need Starscream to access the technology to do so again. That means in addition to it being impossible that Autobots created Decepticons by accident, it is also impossible that they created them on purpose. Therefore, the Autobots did not create the Decepticons, at least as they now appear. Starscream's code includes technologies Autobots don't have, therefore he was molded after the war started, therefore it's a multigenerational conflict. There's no getting around the not-X-Men of it, the Decepticons are a self-made faction with their own technology who look the way they do by choice.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 03:11 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

Another factor is that we've got at least two confirmed and two more implied cases of Autobots defecting to the Decepticons. (Swindle and Lockdown.)



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