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@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2018 - 10:21 AM)

The restauraunt messes up your food, you complain to customer service. Complain to 911 when you get food poisoning from said food.

@  MEDdMI : (18 October 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Ugh. I hate people sometimes.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

I mean, white people are calling the cops on black people for random shit lately, it appears.

@  Pennpenn : (18 October 2018 - 02:49 AM)

It's not that surprising that some people freaked out enough over Youtube being down that they'd call emergency services. I mean, I've heard of at least one instance of someone calling 911 because the restaurant didn't make a cheeseburger to their liking.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 12:09 PM)

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/10/16/youtube-experiences-widespread-outage/ Just one of several stories about it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 October 2018 - 11:59 AM)

*groan* Morons.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 11:48 AM)

Yep.

@  MEDdMI : (17 October 2018 - 11:45 AM)

people were calling 911 about YouTube being down?

@  MEDdMI : (17 October 2018 - 11:45 AM)

....what

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 11:39 AM)

Apparently some people freaked out so much they called 911.

@  Pennpenn : (17 October 2018 - 07:33 AM)

I was at work when it happened I guess.

@  Paladin : (17 October 2018 - 07:18 AM)

disappeared completely up its own asshole.

@  Pennpenn : (17 October 2018 - 02:14 AM)

Youtube was gone?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 11:53 PM)

I actually agree with you MEDdMI, or at least be creative. x.x

@  MEDdMI : (16 October 2018 - 11:29 PM)

Death threats are boring. Get to know the person, then torment them with stuff that really gets under their skin. *evil grin*

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 October 2018 - 10:18 PM)

YouTube is back!

@  Waspinator : (16 October 2018 - 09:55 PM)

Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

@  RichardT1977 : (16 October 2018 - 09:27 PM)

BTW for the three of you who haven't discovered yet, YouTube is down.

@  Telly : (16 October 2018 - 08:05 PM)

maybe this is that persons first death threat, and the creativity will come with more experiance

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 06:14 PM)

Nah. Or at least not near as creative as some of them I've got. This one was a basic "If I ever see you IRL I'll slit you're throat."

@  wonko the sane? : (16 October 2018 - 06:00 PM)

was it at least a creative threat?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 01:07 PM)

Speaking of which.. Got a deaththeat today on an other messageboard. :D

@  Shockwave 75 : (16 October 2018 - 07:14 AM)

Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon; no matter what you do it's going to shit on the board and strut around like it won.

@  Pennpenn : (16 October 2018 - 05:48 AM)

Well, there is also the fact that the person you're arguing against won't accept the authority as neutral (or valid or credible) unless they agree with everything that person says.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 October 2018 - 05:35 AM)

Never argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

@  Nevermore : (16 October 2018 - 05:21 AM)

Anyone who's ever argued with dumbasses on the internet knows how stubborn and persistent they can be. Dozens of people can tell them they're wrong, and they' just stick their fingers in their ears and go "na na can't hear you!"

@  Nevermore : (16 October 2018 - 05:19 AM)

Especially if its a bet about an objective truth. Chances are, you provide overwhelming evidence for your position, the dumbass won't accept your evidence or will just change the rules and then claim the money you allegedly owe him.

@  Nevermore : (16 October 2018 - 05:17 AM)

I've just been reminded of a life lesson: Never take a bet with a dumbass unless there's a neutral authority accepted by both sides that will decide on the winner.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 October 2018 - 03:42 AM)

Peace was never an option.

@  Waspinator : (16 October 2018 - 02:03 AM)

The war between the cerapods and the theropods continues to the modern era

@  Waspinator : (15 October 2018 - 11:51 PM)

The parrot, once I stopped pressing the button on the toy. It might have gone on forever otherwise.

@  Foffy : (15 October 2018 - 11:43 PM)

Depends. Who won?

@  Waspinator : (15 October 2018 - 11:37 PM)

Should I be worried that my 40-year-old parrot got into a roaring contest with a Jurassic World toy?

@  Paladin : (15 October 2018 - 04:38 PM)

was the bride's name Sarah Connor?

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 October 2018 - 04:38 PM)

A sawed off shotgun is fairly easy to conceal. Of course, they're also illegal.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 October 2018 - 04:19 PM)

Maybe they wear a really, really baggy coat.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 October 2018 - 04:10 PM)

I don't wanna think about the body type where a SHOTGUN is concealed carry.

@  MEDdMI : (15 October 2018 - 04:08 PM)

"If there any objections-" *Both sides pull out ridiculous amounts of weapons against each other*

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 October 2018 - 03:57 PM)

Someone else quips in the comments, "I have heard of a shotgun wedding, but this is ridiculous!"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 October 2018 - 03:57 PM)

I saw a random shipost on Facebook. Evidently, there are people in the U.S. who have to ask wedding guests not to bring their concealed-carry weapons.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 October 2018 - 07:09 AM)

Hey.. I tried to say that google game streaming actually works pretty good... Now if that's depressing, that's a WHOLE nother ball of wax. ;D

@  wonko the sane? : (15 October 2018 - 06:29 AM)

The box is being used exactly as it was meant to: for random conversation. If it's depressing it's because the group whom use it is neither oblivious or stupid and we happen to be discussing depressing things.

@  fourteenwings : (15 October 2018 - 12:27 AM)

I'm starting to feel like the box is being used in lieu of actual serious threads (not to be terrible but seeing this as soon as you get on the forums is depressing).

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 October 2018 - 10:35 PM)

It's shameful that randos in richer countries pretend like it's not happening.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 October 2018 - 10:35 PM)

Small island countries are already sinking below sea level and being consumed by the ocean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2018 - 10:28 PM)

Which is why poorer countries are some of the ones most worried at this point, I imagine. Wealthy countries like the US, Canada, etc won't feel the effects nearly as soon

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2018 - 10:05 PM)

Realistically: there doesn't have to be truly catastrophic impacts to screw us all over. Frequent enough storms will disrupt our infrastructure, which will hobble our ability to rebuild quickly and cause pretty big backslides in quality of life. I don't mean "oh no, I can't charge my iphone", more like "dysentery is as common as the flu because the resources just aren't there to clean the water anymore".

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2018 - 10:03 PM)

If no, then procrastinate some more

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2018 - 10:03 PM)

Well, the most important question: is it going to stop me getting some drive thru at McDonald's?

@  Noideaforaname : (14 October 2018 - 09:21 PM)

It's kinda nuts seeing insurance ads tell everyone multiple 500-year storms a year is the new normal, but the general attitude over is still at best *shrug*.


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#41 Sabrblade

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:05 PM

The HD widescreen version does look a little nicer than the cropped SD fullscreen version, though.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:32 PM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 

So we have the Destrons as a soldier class who feel slighted for too much work and the Decepticons later emerge as extremists/lose sight of even those roots?

 

I'm a little dubious on how canon the Almanacs can be but I suppose it's the best answer we're likely to get now.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:34 PM

I'm assuming by "canon" you mean "the cartoon was created with this kind of backstory in mind" rather than just "this is officially part of that universe".

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

Bit of both. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

Yeah, that's apparently the official story. 

 

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And I agree, I wouldn't take the fine points as absolutely useful in informing a reading of the cartoon they weren't attached to, as much as I love the smack of historical realism in this sequence of events. Just emphasizes the point that this is a multi-generational history (which I took as already obvious, but) and that any "species" division is subsequent to political division, not the cause of it. 

 

Edit: Which, again ... think is the natural assumption from the cartoon already, but. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 12:40 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:16 PM

Yeah, the official history really kinda says that the Decepticons have some legitimacy as an uprising. The "while not reaping equal benefits" clinches it, even if we disregard Nova Prime's actions as too long ago and irrelevant.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:48 PM

It prevents them being entirely cartoonish evil for the sake of it from the start, although there's a quibble in that in that we don't know just how much Megatron shifted the goals of the faction. The implication is, quite a lot, and for good or ill, Megatron is straight up cartoon evil-and-loving-it himself.

 

One point of interest is that we don't know what happened to all the Destrons who weren't Decepticons. Presumably they had similar technology and appearances but weren't at war with the Autobots. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:58 PM

 

For me, it ranks as number 3, with Beast Wars in first place and Rescue Bots in second.

 

If you loved the show, you'll love all the extra material it got in printed form. Recommended reads include:

 

While not "official", there's also Trial and Error. https://tfnation.com...able at TFN2017

 

Marty and Wyatt weren't involved, but Jim Sorenson was, who did a lot of work on the Almanacs and such. I believe it's supposed to follow the season 4 plot points in the Almanac, but I only read Trial and Error at TFCon and haven't refreshed my memory on what the Almanac said in a while hehe. Either way, it was a real good read.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

Either way, it was a real good read.

 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:44 AM

I didn't include Trial & Error because it isn't as easy to come by as the mass market/Fun Pub printed media. Regardless of how recommended it is, its release was so limited as to be readable (in a legitimate manner) by only a select portion of the fandom.

 

That's also why I didn't include the Japanese 10th anniversary fan book as well, as wonderful as it is.


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 November 2017 - 02:12 AM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:11 AM

One big praise- the theme song.

 

We've had a lot of questionable takes on the iconic theme song but this one is catchy and fits the tone of this initially being a superhero show.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:28 AM

And I agree, I wouldn't take the fine points as absolutely useful in informing a reading of the cartoon they weren't attached to, as much as I love the smack of historical realism in this sequence of events. Just emphasizes the point that this is a multi-generational history (which I took as already obvious, but) and that any "species" division is subsequent to political division, not the cause of it. 

 

Edit: Which, again ... think is the natural assumption from the cartoon already, but. 

 

IIRC, most of the SPECIFICS in this timeline came from me. IDW had the idea of including a timeline of Cybertronian history. I went to Marty and asked him what he had in mind for the backstory and he said something like "an endless cycle of war stretching back billions of years."  

 

(Though of course this, like every other aspect of the book, was sent to Matt, Marty, & Derrick for comments, all of which were implemented. But I don't know if we had any notes on the timeline in particular.)


Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

Congratulations, you accidentally a race allegory.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:36 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.

 

And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.

 

 

Makes sense.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:59 AM

Oh my god, just stop, would you?


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

Oh my god, just stop, would you?

You're taking that as far more antagonistic than it's intended, believe me.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.
 
And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.
 
 
Makes sense.


The only thing in that timeline that might be oppression towards Decepticons is the registration act.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:46 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.
 
And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.
 
 
Makes sense.

I'd say he's avoiding, by a charitable margin, reading his work on the Almanac II back into the source material. Especially since, as you said earlier, the significance of "canon" events that came in an optional book years later is a little dubious, the alternative could become the professional equivalent of "Well, in my fanfic...."
 
Edit:
 

Oh my god, just stop, would you?

Hey, not cool.

Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 10:50 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

I like Animated but feel it's become overrated. It works well as a series that acknowledges the franchise history up to that point without being bound to a single overriding gimmick but it was cut short on resolution and the actual animation itself is often terrible.

One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting. It bugs me in the same way Beast Wars does for implying morality or lack of is programmed into Predacons.

Something's wrong when the G1 cartoon explored the idea better with the Aerialbots.


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I liked it a lot more after being stuck with the terrible RID

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:13 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.

 

And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.

 

 

Makes sense.

 

Or, you know, the guy who literally wrote the book on Animated thinks your interpretation is complete bunk, unsupported by the text. 

 

What does the timeline (which, yeah, as CB says I am trying to avoid as citing as evidence, but since you opened the door...) really say? We've had peace for a good billion years. Even for Transformers, who live maybe 20, 25 million years, that's countless generations. Comparatively recently (but still a good 3 generations back) a radical faction arises within what is effectively the warrior cast. Then, a couple of generations later (the recent past), Megatron comes along and seizes power and begins to stir the pot. Ultra Magnus passes something called the "Decepticon Registration Act". We know from the timeline that this doesn't immediately cause war.

 

In fact, if we look at the Great Game of War board game, the Decepticon Registration Act was passed AFTER Megatron started construction of a space fleet. In other words, it wasn't just rhetoric, Megatron was arming up. The game then says that Megatron wrote a Manifesto AFTER the Decepticon Registration Act. (In my head, the Registration Act played right into Megatron's hands.) At this point there's a Decepticon Blitzkrieg (the "Cycle of Infamy") that catches the Autobots with their pants down. It's not until the Autobots develop Spacebridge technology that the initial Decepticon push into Autobot territory is halted. 

 

(ASIDE: getting all the info learned in Animated into a coherent timeline of the war was a beast. Because in S2 we learn that only Spacebridge tech allowed the Autobots to win. In S1, it was hiding the AllSpark. And in S3, it was the development of Omega Supreme and his ilk. So I tried to stay true to that with the timeline of the war.)

 

All of that is a long way to say that nothing here implies that the Decepticons were oppressed in any meaningful way. It certainly looks like the Decepticons started the war. Did they have some legitimate grievances? Quite possibly. But that's hardly the same thing as oppression. 

 

If you look in the show itself, there's nothing to support the oppression. Megatron himself, to my recollection, only brings it up once, in an exchange where he is being transparently manipulative. You mention the Autobots being asshats, but that doesn't SUPPORT the assertion that there was oppression, it's merely COMPATIBLE with such an interpretation. And the Decepticons are regularly, repeatedly, consistently shown to be worse. On the Autobot side, you've got Sentinel who's a post-war jarhead ambitious jerk (motivated by grief and guilt.) You've got Ultra Magnus, who's generally shown to be thoughtful but has a set of ethics tempered by pragmatism. Otherwise, every Autobot is pretty much solidly decent, albeit informed by the prejudices of their culture. Whereas the Decepticons embrace slaughter, murder, betrayal, and (as Chris put it) Cartoon Villainy. 

 

So, going back to YOUR original text... you say "One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting."

 

So, it bothers you that the Decepticons could possibly be oppressed, because they're bigger. And yet, there's basically no evidence in the show itself, or the ancillary material, that they ever were, and EVEN IN YOUR OWN BRAIN plenty of evidence (their size and abilities) that they weren't. And, further, as has been pointed out several times, bigger and stronger doesn't always mean victory, not when things like organization, numbers, and technology are factored in. (See the subjugation of India by the English, or the vast empire spun up by the city of Rome.) So, your complaint is just completely meritless on every possible level. And yet you persist in calling it a flaw not in your own bizarre interpretation, but in the show itself.

 

 

Makes sense.


Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 11:14 AM.




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