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@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 11:14 PM)

Eh, I guess. He did fairly well on his own as an independent in his first appearance and such.

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 10:04 PM)

@Sabrblade Vulture tends to fare poorly as his own boss. Working for a great version of Doc Ock ain't a bad gig... and I did ask if about "bad" as opposed to "not the best". ;)

@  Plokatron : (20 April 2018 - 09:53 PM)

@Egon1982 No my friend Mutator Spiders as in get caught in their web and you are mutated into a even more animalistic creature than you were. Hordika were Half Sentient beings half Wild animal and unlike Spiderman it affected each race slightly differnt with Toa being of a similar mutation to each other. My guess for Spiderman is he would become more spider like but with a inside skeletal structure hmm wonder what Visorak Venom would do to CNA make Dinobot Predacon like monsters or something wild?!

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 04:15 PM)

compared to the "youth-sucking" gimmick from the other series? BIG step up.

@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 03:57 PM)

@Otaku: What about that show's take on Vulture? He had potential at first but he eventually just settled into being a lackey rather than his own boss.

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:44 PM)

Did anyone else thought Thunder in Big Trouble in Little China when he was inflating looked like a garbage pail kid before he blew up into salad? I always thought that since seeing the movie in theaters at age 5. 

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:25 PM)

Mutator spiders as in man-spider?

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 11:06 AM)

Shocker was a pretty good villain in The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. Wait, does that count since I can't think of a bad take on any character from that series? ;)

@  Arazyr : (20 April 2018 - 09:26 AM)

Ontario/Detroit area? Yeah. Supposedly, you could feel it from where I live, but I didn't notice. I never feel these things. 8(

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 07:08 AM)

so that WAS an earthquake last night...

@  Plokatron : (19 April 2018 - 09:43 PM)

Webhead Vs. Mutater Spiders. Hmmm I can see this ending badly with HordikaMan Hey maybe it'd make Venom catchable with spider sense.

@  Broadside : (19 April 2018 - 09:16 PM)

Can't wait for Spider-Man to fight the Visorak

@  RichardT1977 : (19 April 2018 - 05:32 PM)

Aw, man!

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 April 2018 - 04:47 PM)

SNIPER NO SNIPING

@  Bass X0 : (19 April 2018 - 04:33 PM)

SNIPERER!

@  Paladin : (19 April 2018 - 10:34 AM)

hated that game. damn sniper level's insane.

@  Plokatron : (19 April 2018 - 08:21 AM)

You know what's funny? Both Spiderman and Bionicle have a title in common. Web of Shadows. :p

@  Liege : (19 April 2018 - 08:03 AM)

Don't mocks the Shocker!

@  unluckiness : (19 April 2018 - 04:46 AM)

But he's the second lamest Spider-Man villain

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 April 2018 - 10:56 PM)

You know.. for all intents and purposes, Shocker should have won in Kamen Rider 71.

@  Plokatron : (18 April 2018 - 06:55 PM)

:wtf :D :wtf Can't wait can't wait just a couple more days and I'm at Comiccon Cape! Gonna be a blast! I hope they have that freaking proper Master Sword Replica this year with the black handel (I love the one from the old comic drawn by the guy who did Cyborg 009)!!!

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 April 2018 - 05:55 AM)

Found on Cranialtome.

@  unluckiness : (18 April 2018 - 05:32 AM)

Oh, so MP-scaled Bill Cypher with stupidly fiddly hands.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 April 2018 - 08:47 AM)

through a third party on facebook.

@  RichardT1977 : (16 April 2018 - 11:30 PM)

Did the Vok know Bill Cipher?

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 April 2018 - 08:09 PM)

See my thread ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (16 April 2018 - 01:32 PM)

Do you mean physically without actually wiring them up?

@  wonko the sane? : (16 April 2018 - 01:32 PM)

Uh... how do you not know?

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 April 2018 - 12:46 PM)

I'm wondering if HP stuck in an extra 128SDD + 3TB HDD into the computer I bought for $850

@  Benbot : (16 April 2018 - 11:58 AM)

"OH"

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2018 - 11:06 AM)

"Semper Fi"

@  EShadowP : (16 April 2018 - 10:36 AM)

"Simper-Fi" :thumbsup

@  Plokatron : (16 April 2018 - 12:31 AM)

Oh my word it is true. The greatest Gunnery Sargent to live is now gone. Gunny I know I'd of never cut the mustard if you were my CO but as I friend I would of been humbled and honored to know a man who truly knew the corp. May the jackets always be full metal and no watermelon left standing. Forgive the jokes there but you made it clear you hated watermelons with how many you sliced, blasted and plain disintegrated on Tv. :thumbsup  (Why do we not have a Wheeljack salute emot?)  Simper-Fi Carry on Gunny see you up there in the great kingdom one day hope you enjoy the company of my great uncles and everyone who you saw last on that field of honor.

@  Plokatron : (16 April 2018 - 12:21 AM)

Wait what!!!!!!! Gunny is dead!!!!

@  Sabrblade : (15 April 2018 - 09:37 PM)

RIP, R. Lee Ermey :(

@  B-Fox : (15 April 2018 - 02:06 PM)

If yer yellah!

@  Otaku : (15 April 2018 - 07:55 AM)

@fourteenwings If not, it is really, really close. Then again, maybe you shouldn't trust me. I liked the jacket. XD

@  fourteenwings : (15 April 2018 - 05:32 AM)

Bill Maher?

@  Bass X0 : (15 April 2018 - 03:52 AM)

Should we as a society change our way of life, culture and general thinking to that which people fifty years from now could look back without being judgemental of our ways? Today we look back at people from fifty years ago and openly criticise things that were considered acceptable and normal back then as not fitting in with our modern day standards that we have to censor them, or have the disclaimer that's just how it was back then. So surely things we as a population consider normal and acceptable today may not fit in with the standards of fifty years from now. But how do we know what would be acceptable and normal fifty years from now that we are supposedly doing wrong today? We don't. That's the point when we are applying modern day standards and way of thinking to a time fifty years ago.

@  Plokatron : (14 April 2018 - 11:09 PM)

Thank you my friend. I hope so too.

@  Maruten : (14 April 2018 - 06:58 PM)

Sorry to hear that, man. Hope things turn around and you have a great time at the con.

@  Plokatron : (14 April 2018 - 06:24 PM)

Ugh I have had a terrible week. My step mom goes to the hospital with high heart rate then has elevated blood sugar once they fixed her heart flutter. Then she is released last night and snaps her ankle bone so she needs to stay at her aunts till it is healed. Wouldn't be so bad if our half of the place was done and I was able to move in too but it's not and I hate being home alone codependency problems. I hope everything stays balenced for the next week since I got comic con to go to on the 21st. I am at least smart enough not to say a certain phrase cause I know if I tempt fate it will kick my but worse than Optimus did Megatron in the movie. Sorry for the long pity party post guys I know it's not liked but I hope a bit of venting is ok.

@  Rycochet : (14 April 2018 - 12:46 PM)

The past few system failures I've had that have lost files hae spurred me into a new burst of creativety, I soon fill up the space o a new hard disk with sketches and notes and other little things I do to stay sane.

@  Soft Snow : (14 April 2018 - 12:34 PM)

It's like a rebirth, a very sad, identity ripping, rebirth.

@  Soft Snow : (14 April 2018 - 12:33 PM)

Losing all the files I saved up over a decade gives me the chance to start afresh.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 April 2018 - 11:02 AM)

I don't want to lose the web comic I made, but I also rock redundant drives and off PC backups.

@  Fnu Aw : (14 April 2018 - 10:13 AM)

I don't have anything important enough to worry about losing. Go me!

@  Arazyr : (14 April 2018 - 09:39 AM)

At least that was BEFORE my kids were born, so no baby pics lost.

@  Arazyr : (14 April 2018 - 09:39 AM)

I had a catastrophic hard drive failure in early 2007, and lost almost EVERYTHING. I was lucky I had a couple of documents synced to a mobile device at the time. No getting the photos back, though.

@  Bass X0 : (14 April 2018 - 07:20 AM)

Yeah, I've lost a lot of stuff over the years due to not having backed up.


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#41 Sabrblade

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:05 PM

The HD widescreen version does look a little nicer than the cropped SD fullscreen version, though.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:32 PM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 

So we have the Destrons as a soldier class who feel slighted for too much work and the Decepticons later emerge as extremists/lose sight of even those roots?

 

I'm a little dubious on how canon the Almanacs can be but I suppose it's the best answer we're likely to get now.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:34 PM

I'm assuming by "canon" you mean "the cartoon was created with this kind of backstory in mind" rather than just "this is officially part of that universe".

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

Bit of both. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

Yeah, that's apparently the official story. 

 

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And I agree, I wouldn't take the fine points as absolutely useful in informing a reading of the cartoon they weren't attached to, as much as I love the smack of historical realism in this sequence of events. Just emphasizes the point that this is a multi-generational history (which I took as already obvious, but) and that any "species" division is subsequent to political division, not the cause of it. 

 

Edit: Which, again ... think is the natural assumption from the cartoon already, but. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 12:40 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:16 PM

Yeah, the official history really kinda says that the Decepticons have some legitimacy as an uprising. The "while not reaping equal benefits" clinches it, even if we disregard Nova Prime's actions as too long ago and irrelevant.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:48 PM

It prevents them being entirely cartoonish evil for the sake of it from the start, although there's a quibble in that in that we don't know just how much Megatron shifted the goals of the faction. The implication is, quite a lot, and for good or ill, Megatron is straight up cartoon evil-and-loving-it himself.

 

One point of interest is that we don't know what happened to all the Destrons who weren't Decepticons. Presumably they had similar technology and appearances but weren't at war with the Autobots. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:58 PM

 

For me, it ranks as number 3, with Beast Wars in first place and Rescue Bots in second.

 

If you loved the show, you'll love all the extra material it got in printed form. Recommended reads include:

 

While not "official", there's also Trial and Error. https://tfnation.com...able at TFN2017

 

Marty and Wyatt weren't involved, but Jim Sorenson was, who did a lot of work on the Almanacs and such. I believe it's supposed to follow the season 4 plot points in the Almanac, but I only read Trial and Error at TFCon and haven't refreshed my memory on what the Almanac said in a while hehe. Either way, it was a real good read.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

Either way, it was a real good read.

 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:44 AM

I didn't include Trial & Error because it isn't as easy to come by as the mass market/Fun Pub printed media. Regardless of how recommended it is, its release was so limited as to be readable (in a legitimate manner) by only a select portion of the fandom.

 

That's also why I didn't include the Japanese 10th anniversary fan book as well, as wonderful as it is.


Edited by Sabrblade, 12 November 2017 - 02:12 AM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:11 AM

One big praise- the theme song.

 

We've had a lot of questionable takes on the iconic theme song but this one is catchy and fits the tone of this initially being a superhero show.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:28 AM

And I agree, I wouldn't take the fine points as absolutely useful in informing a reading of the cartoon they weren't attached to, as much as I love the smack of historical realism in this sequence of events. Just emphasizes the point that this is a multi-generational history (which I took as already obvious, but) and that any "species" division is subsequent to political division, not the cause of it. 

 

Edit: Which, again ... think is the natural assumption from the cartoon already, but. 

 

IIRC, most of the SPECIFICS in this timeline came from me. IDW had the idea of including a timeline of Cybertronian history. I went to Marty and asked him what he had in mind for the backstory and he said something like "an endless cycle of war stretching back billions of years."  

 

(Though of course this, like every other aspect of the book, was sent to Matt, Marty, & Derrick for comments, all of which were implemented. But I don't know if we had any notes on the timeline in particular.)


Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:34 AM

Congratulations, you accidentally a race allegory.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:36 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.

 

And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.

 

 

Makes sense.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:59 AM

Oh my god, just stop, would you?


 

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

Oh my god, just stop, would you?

You're taking that as far more antagonistic than it's intended, believe me.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.
 
And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.
 
 
Makes sense.


The only thing in that timeline that might be oppression towards Decepticons is the registration act.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 10:46 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.
 
And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.
 
 
Makes sense.

I'd say he's avoiding, by a charitable margin, reading his work on the Almanac II back into the source material. Especially since, as you said earlier, the significance of "canon" events that came in an optional book years later is a little dubious, the alternative could become the professional equivalent of "Well, in my fanfic...."
 
Edit:
 

Oh my god, just stop, would you?

Hey, not cool.

Edited by Copper Bezel, 12 November 2017 - 10:50 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

I like Animated but feel it's become overrated. It works well as a series that acknowledges the franchise history up to that point without being bound to a single overriding gimmick but it was cut short on resolution and the actual animation itself is often terrible.

One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting. It bugs me in the same way Beast Wars does for implying morality or lack of is programmed into Predacons.

Something's wrong when the G1 cartoon explored the idea better with the Aerialbots.


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I liked it a lot more after being stuck with the terrible RID

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:13 AM

So the stuff I say the show implies on Decepticon oppression actually being true at some point you say isn't there.

 

And yet you wrote the official timeline which basically says it is the case.

 

 

Makes sense.

 

Or, you know, the guy who literally wrote the book on Animated thinks your interpretation is complete bunk, unsupported by the text. 

 

What does the timeline (which, yeah, as CB says I am trying to avoid as citing as evidence, but since you opened the door...) really say? We've had peace for a good billion years. Even for Transformers, who live maybe 20, 25 million years, that's countless generations. Comparatively recently (but still a good 3 generations back) a radical faction arises within what is effectively the warrior cast. Then, a couple of generations later (the recent past), Megatron comes along and seizes power and begins to stir the pot. Ultra Magnus passes something called the "Decepticon Registration Act". We know from the timeline that this doesn't immediately cause war.

 

In fact, if we look at the Great Game of War board game, the Decepticon Registration Act was passed AFTER Megatron started construction of a space fleet. In other words, it wasn't just rhetoric, Megatron was arming up. The game then says that Megatron wrote a Manifesto AFTER the Decepticon Registration Act. (In my head, the Registration Act played right into Megatron's hands.) At this point there's a Decepticon Blitzkrieg (the "Cycle of Infamy") that catches the Autobots with their pants down. It's not until the Autobots develop Spacebridge technology that the initial Decepticon push into Autobot territory is halted. 

 

(ASIDE: getting all the info learned in Animated into a coherent timeline of the war was a beast. Because in S2 we learn that only Spacebridge tech allowed the Autobots to win. In S1, it was hiding the AllSpark. And in S3, it was the development of Omega Supreme and his ilk. So I tried to stay true to that with the timeline of the war.)

 

All of that is a long way to say that nothing here implies that the Decepticons were oppressed in any meaningful way. It certainly looks like the Decepticons started the war. Did they have some legitimate grievances? Quite possibly. But that's hardly the same thing as oppression. 

 

If you look in the show itself, there's nothing to support the oppression. Megatron himself, to my recollection, only brings it up once, in an exchange where he is being transparently manipulative. You mention the Autobots being asshats, but that doesn't SUPPORT the assertion that there was oppression, it's merely COMPATIBLE with such an interpretation. And the Decepticons are regularly, repeatedly, consistently shown to be worse. On the Autobot side, you've got Sentinel who's a post-war jarhead ambitious jerk (motivated by grief and guilt.) You've got Ultra Magnus, who's generally shown to be thoughtful but has a set of ethics tempered by pragmatism. Otherwise, every Autobot is pretty much solidly decent, albeit informed by the prejudices of their culture. Whereas the Decepticons embrace slaughter, murder, betrayal, and (as Chris put it) Cartoon Villainy. 

 

So, going back to YOUR original text... you say "One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting."

 

So, it bothers you that the Decepticons could possibly be oppressed, because they're bigger. And yet, there's basically no evidence in the show itself, or the ancillary material, that they ever were, and EVEN IN YOUR OWN BRAIN plenty of evidence (their size and abilities) that they weren't. And, further, as has been pointed out several times, bigger and stronger doesn't always mean victory, not when things like organization, numbers, and technology are factored in. (See the subjugation of India by the English, or the vast empire spun up by the city of Rome.) So, your complaint is just completely meritless on every possible level. And yet you persist in calling it a flaw not in your own bizarre interpretation, but in the show itself.

 

 

Makes sense.


Edited by Jim S, 12 November 2017 - 11:14 AM.




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