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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (21 January 2018 - 07:37 AM)

Bet a lot of military people won't want to work this monday. ;(

@  Pennpenn : (21 January 2018 - 07:27 AM)

It seems sort of intuitive for a lot of people because it's the first day in the week that you're working.

@  Nevermore : (21 January 2018 - 04:54 AM)

Germany considers Monday the first day of the week.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 January 2018 - 01:34 AM)

The judge obviously had a more material motive than the one he claimed, there need to be some serious investigation of that case.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 05:04 PM)

The reason is even worse. :(

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 04:34 PM)

That moron is a shame to his profession.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 09:34 AM)

I just think a Judge going on and Jury Tampering, trying to make the Jury think a sex taffiker is innocent is sickening. *won't say why he did that as that goes in P&R*

@  Sabrblade : (20 January 2018 - 09:21 AM)

Heh, the schedules for my work weeks begin with Saturday

@  wonko the sane? : (20 January 2018 - 07:01 AM)

Thing about the US is... you can say that any time you want as much as you want. You're still going to get shot, but it might not be because you said that though.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 January 2018 - 02:20 AM)

You just did.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 02:18 AM)

Can I just say that right now... I hate the USA?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 January 2018 - 01:34 AM)

There are languages where the days are named for numbers and Sunday is "one". Like Arabic.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 01:31 AM)

Isn't it sort of a religious thing for Sunday to be the start of the week but most people just go with the first day they go to work for the week?

@  unitremover : (20 January 2018 - 01:02 AM)

I feel like I've known plenty of Americans who'd say Monday is the first day of the week.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 12:57 AM)

Personally Monday will always be the first day of the week for me. The notion that Sunday is somehow the first day of the week seems completely nonsensical to me.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 12:57 AM)

I'm fairly sure it is in Australia, but that tends to get blurred because of US influence.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 12:19 AM)

(It's Sunday here in the U.S.)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 12:18 AM)

Anyone here live in a country where Monday is considered the first day of the week?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 January 2018 - 08:40 PM)

Maybe?

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 January 2018 - 08:38 PM)

But do they search barf?

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2018 - 08:38 PM)

Under water, the fish don't stink.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 January 2018 - 07:42 PM)

I read that at first as "Everyone is a fish...."

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2018 - 06:08 PM)

Everyone has a fetish, I guess.

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2018 - 05:56 PM)

I parsed it as "search barf" at first.

@  Nevermore : (19 January 2018 - 05:05 PM)

Robowang nude hiden cam photos

@  Robowang : (19 January 2018 - 02:54 PM)

Oh, hey, that's not the search bar! Whoops.

@  Robowang : (19 January 2018 - 12:48 PM)

reflector camera mode

@  MEDdMI : (19 January 2018 - 12:14 PM)

But did you get a Snowbombcyclopsragnarokdoomstorm like the US NE got last week?

@  Nevermore : (19 January 2018 - 11:40 AM)

Netherlands? We got one hell of a storm here in Germany the other day too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 January 2018 - 01:59 AM)

When that happens in Cocoa Beach there's always someone getting out their surfboard.

@  CORVUS : (19 January 2018 - 12:04 AM)

Damn!

@  Telly : (18 January 2018 - 10:29 PM)

holy hug

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 January 2018 - 06:27 PM)

Goddamn look what happened to the Dutch this week.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 January 2018 - 06:27 PM)

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/954066379610628097

@  Locoman : (18 January 2018 - 03:43 PM)

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand brick and mortar.

@  siccoyote : (18 January 2018 - 04:31 AM)

Who sings the first part of the GIJoe The Movie theme song? (Cobra) Sounds so familiar.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:46 PM)

Also true.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 10:40 PM)

I hate brick and mortar stores around here.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:38 PM)

But I like the feel of the brick and mortar search a bit more. And I can see inside packages at brick and mortar. True, Amazon has a good return policy, but I like buying once and settling.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:37 PM)

I suppose I could save more if I bought more often from Amazon.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 10:36 PM)

Closest I got to "free" was 30% off warpath, which just about lined him up to the canadian price had he ever shown up around me. The pile of loot saved me a pile, but it was still pricy.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:34 PM)

Yeah, I purposefully waited on them because I knew they'd be perfect "add onto orders to get free shipping" fodder. Already gotten two that way. Technically "free" and I barely had to wait.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 09:21 PM)

That's how I feel about Prime Masters. Getting back into collecting last year taught me to be patient, which grants rewards most of the time.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:18 PM)

I want Starscream so hard after seeing him in person, but since he's the one being left behind by every other collector in my area, I feel like I can wait for a sale.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:09 PM)

I mean: I maybe woulda jumped on starscream if I found a sale or something, but it wasn't a priority.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:08 PM)

I only wanted the dinobots (cause... volcanicus.) but got saddled with three I didn't want due to the bundling. I'd still be waiting to order if I had waited on individual figures.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 08:27 PM)

Ahh.. I just ordered the whole case cause I wanted too. :)

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 06:49 PM)

Mostly PotP dinobots. Plus some stuff I couldn't opt out of to get those dinobots. And CW warpath... cause he was on sale.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 04:54 PM)

What ya getting?

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 04:38 PM)

Yay! My package from BBTS is in canada! I might even get it this week!


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#21 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

That I don't feel the show did a good job of making it clear how Autobot oppression did or did not play a part in the war.

 

If Megatron had pushed this line with Allspark Earth bots whilst we were shown the Autobot command was squeaky clean it would be obvious.

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

Half of what you've described, we've already established is in your head and contradicts established canon facts. I don't find your subjective impression based on those facts persuasive.

 

In the actual show the rest of us saw, the purpose of making the Autobots assholes was the fact that it was the goddamn Bush administration and little else. We had workaday heroes in a pinch between evil and corrupt and having to get over their own side's preconceptions and prejudices. It was good and complex and didn't need to be dumbed down with didacticism. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

What have I said that was apparently only in my head? I'm referencing things that happened in the show. 

 

Seriously, I feel like I'm offending you here and I'm really not trying to.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I'm not offended, but a little appalled. 

 

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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#25 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

Read the comic which came with the Safeguard 2 pack. It's said they had to copy data from Starscream and splice it into Autobots. It's seen as dangerous and unethical and the twins are chosen because if general citizens become casualties of this experiment it won't be considered any great loss.

 

So unethical Autobot command using the citizens as guinea pigs and having to splice Decepticon attributes into existing Autobots. Not just take a flight capable protoform/mould and make it the first of a new generation of flying Autobots. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

I have in fact read the comic, I believe I still have it somewhere. Yes, it was an unethical way of getting test subjects. If any of the tech contradicts the cartoon, I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person would, that the comic is in error, but I don't remember anything beyond sketchy experimental science on live test subjects with unpredictable results.

 

Starscream's clones also used Autobot protoforms, so yes, any and all genetics is, canonically, absolutely and without possibility of contradiction, contained in the protoform mold program. 

 

Edit: None of which is what bothers me here, you're using an invented fan theory based on misunderstood minutiae to claim that one of the best elements of the best Transformers series is bad because it's handled too well and with too light a hand and this is why we can't hugging have nice things HellCat


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Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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#27 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

The comic is by the show's head writer and much as with any given chapter of The Arrival is intended to be canon to the show.

 

The show itself makes a big deal out of the idea Autobots don't fly when Safeguard shows up. It's even the basis for Optimus requesting the upgrade he uses in the finale so he can have that edge himself. Project Omega is the only real contradiction I can think of but that saw the Autobots commission warship size flying Autobots.

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

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I can agree with this statement.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Decepticons are used as a bogeyman, but that's the idea of Decepticons being used to oppress other Autobots, not oppression of Decepticons (who have been in exile for untold ages.)

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.

 

Yes, and? I am not disagreeing with the obvious, explicitly and repeatedly stated fact that Autobot and Decepticon technologies and bodies are different, which is a pervasive element not only of story but one of fight staging and art design. 

 

The fact that you get to this underclass narrative from there is just bonkers. There's no support for that in the text. Maybe it was your first impression and you've convinced yourself since by this process that we fans are prey to of thinking about a bit of media a lot more than we actually watch it, over years of repetition, but it's just not hugging in there.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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#31 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

 

That's part of my confusion. We know from Ratchet's flashback that by the time Omega Supreme became a thing Magnus and co were firmly on the path of 'victory no matter the cost' when they forced him to step up as Omega's handler. Likewise we have Prowl's flashback where he's not viewed favourably at all for not being willing to fight in the war. Then we get the Bush parallels with Sentinel and of course him using that cold war style 'Trust no one, spy on everyone' advert.

 

The fact that there were assholes in the Autobot ranks at various points is not in question. The issue for me is I don't think the show is quite clear as to if this means the complaints from the Decepticon camp are just excusing their own greed or if the Autobots really did persecute and cause the war in part, as seen in other continuities.

Because there is a lot of evidence that 'the oppressive Autobots' aren't just a Megatron slander.

 

I feel people think I'm missing the nuance on this when really I just think the show comes off like it wanted to have it both ways. I mean there's no doubt the show wants us to side with Optimus team who reject their peers for only furthering the war.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't think the show touched on backstory either way to make that call. We don't know what life was like before the war. But we do know Megatron is the kind of guy who SQUIRMS at affectioonate displays he sees on camera, who gloats about murdering people and is perfectly fine with using weapons to burn down a planet full of innocent people, so you can be fairly sure he is not someone precisely honest and you can be fairly sure his rethoric is just rethoric.

 

Ratchet or Prowl's personal drama doesn't mean the show is saying the Autobots were in the wrong for pushing back. It's just part of who they are, most medics and spiritual hippies aren't big on conflict.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Well, at least setting aside the genetics thing, it's a haveable argument. 

 

But yeah, I mean, the Decepticons' present-day ideology is well sufficient to put lie to any oppression rhetoric. There's definitely "discrimination" against the Decepticons, and they definitely may well be just programmed to be evil in the current generation, but that's the current situation after the Decepticons have become what they are and subsequently been exiled out of sight and out of mind of the Autobot society. Not only do we not know where the split of factions and the conflict started (except that it's generations old per the Almanacs), it seriously does not matter in the present-day frame. The Decepticons are not fighting oppression now. They may have been oppressed in the distant past before Megatron was created, or they may view their exile as oppression, but they are not a part of Autobot society to be oppressed in the present frame and only want conquest.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

For that matter, we don't even know it's "half."

Maybe the pre-war population was something like 25% proto-Decepticons to 75% proto-Autobots. Autobots may be smaller and weaker, but there are way more of them than the Decepticons (and they may have been smarter and better-organized too).

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

This is why I want answers!



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Forgot to link to one more piece of printed Animated material:


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Yeah, come to think about it, the show never really got around to outlining who the Decepticons are in the frame of worldbuilding and what exactly they want. Coupled with the fact that Autobot society is shown as xenophobic and prejudiced, I don't think the oppression narrative is an invalid reading of the text.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:43 AM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

the actual animation itself is often terrible.

 

I like Animated just fine and the designs are fantastic but man, does this ever get under-emphasized when people talk about Animated. That show's literal technical art and animation were generally atrocious.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, that's the thing, it gets lost in the discussion of the aesthetic. Pains me to watch the Japanese opening and imagine what might have been with several times the budget. = P


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