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@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2018 - 06:19 AM)

First time I heard about those.

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2018 - 03:54 AM)

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hummer-bummer/

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2018 - 03:54 AM)

It's nontheless true:

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2018 - 03:51 AM)

That "toy Yoda" story is ages old.

@  Telly : (26 April 2018 - 12:05 AM)

the taxes on yoda would be much cheaper than a new car

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 April 2018 - 11:07 PM)

The end is near.

@  MEDdMI : (25 April 2018 - 09:28 PM)

@Waspinator oh wow... :D

@  Waspinator : (25 April 2018 - 09:21 PM)

http://media.diywelder.com/images/offroad/072803-newtoyyoda.jpg

@  CORVUS : (25 April 2018 - 08:22 PM)

I wager so.

@  Miss Kayla Kaon : (25 April 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Weird not being able to see anons anymore..... or the staff forums...... this must be what all retired staffers feel like

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (25 April 2018 - 02:59 PM)

I agree the logo should be AToyoTA

@  EShadowP : (25 April 2018 - 10:02 AM)

The Toyota logo spells Toyota. That's hardly stupid.

@  Benbot : (25 April 2018 - 09:59 AM)

Toyota has a stupid logo. Who's with me?

@  Paladin : (24 April 2018 - 07:16 PM)

so Crosshairs is basically Marcus Fenix? same VA anyway...

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2018 - 06:28 PM)

Would be. Yeah.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 April 2018 - 04:50 PM)

Million years of war... you'd be one too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2018 - 03:41 PM)

So in other words, they're psychopaths.

@  Sabrblade : (24 April 2018 - 02:01 PM)

And only Optimus was angry. Hound and Crosshairs were happy jerks. They loved killing because killing gave them pleasure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2018 - 11:54 AM)

It was AoE, they were all jerks.

@  Broadside : (24 April 2018 - 11:09 AM)

I like his design. I think I've entirely blotted his personality out of my memory.

@  Shrug : (24 April 2018 - 06:53 AM)

Thats part of why I like the AoE/TLK bot crew so much. They seem like the angry jerks that'd actually survive in an extended war.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 April 2018 - 01:01 AM)

I dislike him despite the trenchcoat. He's a jerk, and not the lovable kind. One note, and that note is douchebag.

@  Cybersnark : (23 April 2018 - 04:47 PM)

Honestly, I like him DESPITE the "trenchcoat." I prefer to keep it folded behind him like some Gundam-style flight-pack.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2018 - 11:04 AM)

People really love movieverse Crosshairs sheerly for the sake of his trenchcoat, don't they?

@  Plokatron : (22 April 2018 - 10:17 PM)

@RichardT1977 @TM2-Megatron I'm not normally one to pull the Ruined Forever card but I care less than zip about anything involving the 2017 Power Rangers movie! They screwed it up worse than Bay past DoTM and a Mastodon has four legs not six! While I'm on this mini rant anyone remember the scans of the Super Sentai Mecha book from a while back? Would it be against the rules to ask if anyone knows where to find the new updated book scanned? I really want the Concept Art for ideas.

@  D Immortalis : (22 April 2018 - 03:39 PM)

hot damn...the new From Ashes To New album isfraggin amazing

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 April 2018 - 08:52 PM)

Just a few more days until my Battletech key goes live on GOG...

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 April 2018 - 08:51 PM)

The first Transformers live action film really IS a lot better than what popular culture has made it out to be.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 April 2018 - 08:27 PM)

I dunno if I'd go that far. I enjoyed the first Bayformers more than the MMPR Movie remake

@  RichardT1977 : (21 April 2018 - 08:22 PM)

For the record, it was better than the (live-action) Transformers movies.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 08:21 PM)

No, I wasn't at the krispy kreme when I beat them. Wait, what?

@  Paladin : (21 April 2018 - 08:13 PM)

go back to Krispy Kreme

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 07:08 PM)

I beat five teenagers with attitude before, I can do it again.

@  Pennpenn : (21 April 2018 - 07:02 PM)

Great, after ten thousand years Wonko is free again. Does this mean more Power Rangers are needed? Again?

@  Patchouli Kn... : (21 April 2018 - 06:14 PM)

Ah, the layer of ice that froze it shut finally melted?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 April 2018 - 09:14 AM)

Oh my god! GUYS! It's actually warm enough I was able to open my window!

@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 11:14 PM)

Eh, I guess. He did fairly well on his own as an independent in his first appearance and such.

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 10:04 PM)

@Sabrblade Vulture tends to fare poorly as his own boss. Working for a great version of Doc Ock ain't a bad gig... and I did ask if about "bad" as opposed to "not the best". ;)

@  Plokatron : (20 April 2018 - 09:53 PM)

@Egon1982 No my friend Mutator Spiders as in get caught in their web and you are mutated into a even more animalistic creature than you were. Hordika were Half Sentient beings half Wild animal and unlike Spiderman it affected each race slightly differnt with Toa being of a similar mutation to each other. My guess for Spiderman is he would become more spider like but with a inside skeletal structure hmm wonder what Visorak Venom would do to CNA make Dinobot Predacon like monsters or something wild?!

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 04:15 PM)

compared to the "youth-sucking" gimmick from the other series? BIG step up.

@  Sabrblade : (20 April 2018 - 03:57 PM)

@Otaku: What about that show's take on Vulture? He had potential at first but he eventually just settled into being a lackey rather than his own boss.

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:44 PM)

Did anyone else thought Thunder in Big Trouble in Little China when he was inflating looked like a garbage pail kid before he blew up into salad? I always thought that since seeing the movie in theaters at age 5. 

@  Egon1982 : (20 April 2018 - 02:25 PM)

Mutator spiders as in man-spider?

@  Otaku : (20 April 2018 - 11:06 AM)

Shocker was a pretty good villain in The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. Wait, does that count since I can't think of a bad take on any character from that series? ;)

@  Arazyr : (20 April 2018 - 09:26 AM)

Ontario/Detroit area? Yeah. Supposedly, you could feel it from where I live, but I didn't notice. I never feel these things. 8(

@  Paladin : (20 April 2018 - 07:08 AM)

so that WAS an earthquake last night...

@  Plokatron : (19 April 2018 - 09:43 PM)

Webhead Vs. Mutater Spiders. Hmmm I can see this ending badly with HordikaMan Hey maybe it'd make Venom catchable with spider sense.

@  Broadside : (19 April 2018 - 09:16 PM)

Can't wait for Spider-Man to fight the Visorak

@  RichardT1977 : (19 April 2018 - 05:32 PM)

Aw, man!

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 April 2018 - 04:47 PM)

SNIPER NO SNIPING


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#21 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

That I don't feel the show did a good job of making it clear how Autobot oppression did or did not play a part in the war.

 

If Megatron had pushed this line with Allspark Earth bots whilst we were shown the Autobot command was squeaky clean it would be obvious.

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

Half of what you've described, we've already established is in your head and contradicts established canon facts. I don't find your subjective impression based on those facts persuasive.

 

In the actual show the rest of us saw, the purpose of making the Autobots assholes was the fact that it was the goddamn Bush administration and little else. We had workaday heroes in a pinch between evil and corrupt and having to get over their own side's preconceptions and prejudices. It was good and complex and didn't need to be dumbed down with didacticism. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

What have I said that was apparently only in my head? I'm referencing things that happened in the show. 

 

Seriously, I feel like I'm offending you here and I'm really not trying to.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I'm not offended, but a little appalled. 

 

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

Read the comic which came with the Safeguard 2 pack. It's said they had to copy data from Starscream and splice it into Autobots. It's seen as dangerous and unethical and the twins are chosen because if general citizens become casualties of this experiment it won't be considered any great loss.

 

So unethical Autobot command using the citizens as guinea pigs and having to splice Decepticon attributes into existing Autobots. Not just take a flight capable protoform/mould and make it the first of a new generation of flying Autobots. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

I have in fact read the comic, I believe I still have it somewhere. Yes, it was an unethical way of getting test subjects. If any of the tech contradicts the cartoon, I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person would, that the comic is in error, but I don't remember anything beyond sketchy experimental science on live test subjects with unpredictable results.

 

Starscream's clones also used Autobot protoforms, so yes, any and all genetics is, canonically, absolutely and without possibility of contradiction, contained in the protoform mold program. 

 

Edit: None of which is what bothers me here, you're using an invented fan theory based on misunderstood minutiae to claim that one of the best elements of the best Transformers series is bad because it's handled too well and with too light a hand and this is why we can't hugging have nice things HellCat


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 10:38 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

The comic is by the show's head writer and much as with any given chapter of The Arrival is intended to be canon to the show.

 

The show itself makes a big deal out of the idea Autobots don't fly when Safeguard shows up. It's even the basis for Optimus requesting the upgrade he uses in the finale so he can have that edge himself. Project Omega is the only real contradiction I can think of but that saw the Autobots commission warship size flying Autobots.

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

TLDR: Lugnut 4 Lyfe

I can agree with this statement.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Decepticons are used as a bogeyman, but that's the idea of Decepticons being used to oppress other Autobots, not oppression of Decepticons (who have been in exile for untold ages.)

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.

 

Yes, and? I am not disagreeing with the obvious, explicitly and repeatedly stated fact that Autobot and Decepticon technologies and bodies are different, which is a pervasive element not only of story but one of fight staging and art design. 

 

The fact that you get to this underclass narrative from there is just bonkers. There's no support for that in the text. Maybe it was your first impression and you've convinced yourself since by this process that we fans are prey to of thinking about a bit of media a lot more than we actually watch it, over years of repetition, but it's just not hugging in there.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

 

That's part of my confusion. We know from Ratchet's flashback that by the time Omega Supreme became a thing Magnus and co were firmly on the path of 'victory no matter the cost' when they forced him to step up as Omega's handler. Likewise we have Prowl's flashback where he's not viewed favourably at all for not being willing to fight in the war. Then we get the Bush parallels with Sentinel and of course him using that cold war style 'Trust no one, spy on everyone' advert.

 

The fact that there were assholes in the Autobot ranks at various points is not in question. The issue for me is I don't think the show is quite clear as to if this means the complaints from the Decepticon camp are just excusing their own greed or if the Autobots really did persecute and cause the war in part, as seen in other continuities.

Because there is a lot of evidence that 'the oppressive Autobots' aren't just a Megatron slander.

 

I feel people think I'm missing the nuance on this when really I just think the show comes off like it wanted to have it both ways. I mean there's no doubt the show wants us to side with Optimus team who reject their peers for only furthering the war.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't think the show touched on backstory either way to make that call. We don't know what life was like before the war. But we do know Megatron is the kind of guy who SQUIRMS at affectioonate displays he sees on camera, who gloats about murdering people and is perfectly fine with using weapons to burn down a planet full of innocent people, so you can be fairly sure he is not someone precisely honest and you can be fairly sure his rethoric is just rethoric.

 

Ratchet or Prowl's personal drama doesn't mean the show is saying the Autobots were in the wrong for pushing back. It's just part of who they are, most medics and spiritual hippies aren't big on conflict.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Well, at least setting aside the genetics thing, it's a haveable argument. 

 

But yeah, I mean, the Decepticons' present-day ideology is well sufficient to put lie to any oppression rhetoric. There's definitely "discrimination" against the Decepticons, and they definitely may well be just programmed to be evil in the current generation, but that's the current situation after the Decepticons have become what they are and subsequently been exiled out of sight and out of mind of the Autobot society. Not only do we not know where the split of factions and the conflict started (except that it's generations old per the Almanacs), it seriously does not matter in the present-day frame. The Decepticons are not fighting oppression now. They may have been oppressed in the distant past before Megatron was created, or they may view their exile as oppression, but they are not a part of Autobot society to be oppressed in the present frame and only want conquest.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

For that matter, we don't even know it's "half."

Maybe the pre-war population was something like 25% proto-Decepticons to 75% proto-Autobots. Autobots may be smaller and weaker, but there are way more of them than the Decepticons (and they may have been smarter and better-organized too).

Edited by Cybersnark, 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

This is why I want answers!



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Forgot to link to one more piece of printed Animated material:


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Yeah, come to think about it, the show never really got around to outlining who the Decepticons are in the frame of worldbuilding and what exactly they want. Coupled with the fact that Autobot society is shown as xenophobic and prejudiced, I don't think the oppression narrative is an invalid reading of the text.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:43 AM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

the actual animation itself is often terrible.

 

I like Animated just fine and the designs are fantastic but man, does this ever get under-emphasized when people talk about Animated. That show's literal technical art and animation were generally atrocious.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, that's the thing, it gets lost in the discussion of the aesthetic. Pains me to watch the Japanese opening and imagine what might have been with several times the budget. = P


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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