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@  Lazy Garou : (22 July 2018 - 06:39 AM)

Theres possibly a transformer-collecting rick hopping the multiverse that has all the fan vote options available through the years.

@  unluckiness : (21 July 2018 - 10:38 PM)

I have the green one and it's more or less okay. One side has louder clicks but it was like that form the get go

@  Shrug : (21 July 2018 - 05:23 PM)

Well, his gold isn't quite the color I associate with GPS and I see little, if any swirling in it. But hip ratchets in gold plastic that loudly clicked once only to be suddenly silenced. Hrmm. Messing with it now, one leg has no ratcheting and the other ratchets at something like 80 degrees apart.

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2018 - 03:37 PM)

I like that figure. :(

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2018 - 03:37 PM)

Please no GPS on HFTD Sea Spray...

@  Darth Gonzo : (21 July 2018 - 03:32 PM)

That moment when you realize GoBots is being talked about more then Transformers.

@  Shrug : (21 July 2018 - 02:11 PM)

Anyone have experience with HFTD Seaspray? I just bought a used one (for a buck!) and all his hip ratchets broke on first movement. Does he just generally have fragile ratchets or is GPS starting?

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 09:24 PM)

Remember it, for it is the last thing you will hear before I *shuffle* EXPRESS MY FEELINGS IN SONG!!!!!!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 PM)

Blitzwing, eh?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 PM)

Huh.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 06:29 PM)

He leaks his crankcase, then we all catch a few new dents.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 July 2018 - 02:58 PM)

Quick, somebody put his hand in some warm oil and see what happens.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 02:25 PM)

Guys, SSSHHHHH. Megatron is passed out right over there, and dude is a MEAN drunk. Don't wake him up.

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 02:04 PM)

*checks Hasbro's offerings* so, never. :(

@  Jetstream C-18 : (20 July 2018 - 01:26 PM)

They're all hugged when Omega Supreme gets back

@  unluckiness : (20 July 2018 - 10:00 AM)

Megatron is hammered! Now, I, Starscream am leader of the Decepticons!

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 09:47 AM)

And megatron is so confused as to why no one is shooting at him anymore that he starts binge drinking.

@  unluckiness : (20 July 2018 - 08:46 AM)

Grimlock eats them for lunch.

@  Paladin : (20 July 2018 - 08:09 AM)

Optimus wants to free the Minicons. Ultra Magnus says it infringes states' rights.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 July 2018 - 08:07 AM)

So... the nicest beings in the universe are fighting with each other?

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 July 2018 - 08:01 AM)

No Decepticons. It's Autobots Civil War.

@  Gryllid : (20 July 2018 - 07:55 AM)

New York Comic Con is in October, maybe there?

@  Nevermore : (20 July 2018 - 05:49 AM)

So.. thus far, Hasbro only revealed Autobots for Siege. Any ideas which show they will reveal the Decepticons at?

@  Nevermore : (20 July 2018 - 05:44 AM)

So where did the "Stege" logo come from? All I can find is Sipher posting it an making fun of it. Where did that inconvenient version originate?

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 11:53 PM)

True. But it was due to Transformers' use of the name that Saban at the time couldn't use it.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 11:38 PM)

But that's not necessarily a reference, just an attempt to use "Technobable" name.

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 10:57 PM)

It's not Power Rangers, but Saban's VR Troopers was originally going to be titled "Cybertron".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 09:26 PM)

@paladin Energon would be too obvious. That's why I like Ore-13. It's not overt.. but still a nice nod.

@  Paladin : (19 July 2018 - 08:05 PM)

the original Sentai called it "Enetron." all they have to change is ONE LETTER.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 06:26 PM)

@saberblade True.. But I don't know.. I just want something simple like the "Energy source" in Beast Morphers to be Ore-13 or something like that.

@  Sabrblade : (19 July 2018 - 05:41 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw: Operation Overdrive did have a weapon called the "Transtech Armor" ;)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 July 2018 - 04:49 PM)

*sigh* This is going to be a long subline.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 July 2018 - 04:49 PM)

I already hate the overuse of "STEGE".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2018 - 04:16 PM)

I just want Power Ranger refferenes in TF and Vice versa now.

@  Onyxstrike : (19 July 2018 - 11:32 AM)

I think Hasbro might be after more than just my money this time around with these reveals.

@  Otaku : (18 July 2018 - 02:39 PM)

@TheMightyMollusk Thanks for clarifying.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 July 2018 - 12:34 PM)

@Otaku, most people were oblivious. The smart ones did their emergency shopping the day before, so there wasn't much left anyway.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 09:37 AM)

@wonko Only happened a few times and I don't remember the exact details, but yeah.

@  Otaku : (18 July 2018 - 08:06 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Is that really the same thing? I mean, it is if the people were casually shopping and oblivious to the danger to them or the employees of the store, but if they were desperately trying to get needed supplies themselves... or am I just supposed to be smart enough to know you wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't the former? >_<

@  wonko the sane? : (18 July 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Okay, what? I've had to explain why the TV wouldn't work when the power is out to children, but never to an adult in their right mind.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 07:44 AM)

*When I worked at the cable call center, some people wondered why their TV wouldn't work when there was an outage...

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2018 - 07:43 AM)

w

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 July 2018 - 03:11 AM)

We had people still trying to shop while we were being pushed by state police to shut the store down due to flooding. The police finally had to help herd them out.

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2018 - 07:36 PM)

Or working for an airline and people complaining about not being able to take off in severe weather, and expecting us to know when the bad weather will end. *points at window*

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2018 - 07:34 PM)

Outages/fire alarms are fun when you work retail and people complain that they can't keep shopping.

@  Echowarrior : (17 July 2018 - 07:11 PM)

Outages occasionally happened at the fulfillment center I used to work at. Never fun.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:51 PM)

Apparently the early shift (i.e. those who didn't participate in the walkout) were sitting in the cafeteria, waiting for power to return, while the late shift couldn't even enter the building.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 July 2018 - 04:18 PM)

Oh, wow. I thought the news about the website outtage would have been the topper, but that pretty much wins.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:14 PM)

Whoopsie.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2018 - 04:14 PM)

First the union called for a two-day strike yesterday, and then today the entire city where the Amazon warehouse I work at is located apparently had a power outage.


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#21 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

That I don't feel the show did a good job of making it clear how Autobot oppression did or did not play a part in the war.

 

If Megatron had pushed this line with Allspark Earth bots whilst we were shown the Autobot command was squeaky clean it would be obvious.

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

Half of what you've described, we've already established is in your head and contradicts established canon facts. I don't find your subjective impression based on those facts persuasive.

 

In the actual show the rest of us saw, the purpose of making the Autobots assholes was the fact that it was the goddamn Bush administration and little else. We had workaday heroes in a pinch between evil and corrupt and having to get over their own side's preconceptions and prejudices. It was good and complex and didn't need to be dumbed down with didacticism. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

What have I said that was apparently only in my head? I'm referencing things that happened in the show. 

 

Seriously, I feel like I'm offending you here and I'm really not trying to.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I'm not offended, but a little appalled. 

 

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

Read the comic which came with the Safeguard 2 pack. It's said they had to copy data from Starscream and splice it into Autobots. It's seen as dangerous and unethical and the twins are chosen because if general citizens become casualties of this experiment it won't be considered any great loss.

 

So unethical Autobot command using the citizens as guinea pigs and having to splice Decepticon attributes into existing Autobots. Not just take a flight capable protoform/mould and make it the first of a new generation of flying Autobots. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

I have in fact read the comic, I believe I still have it somewhere. Yes, it was an unethical way of getting test subjects. If any of the tech contradicts the cartoon, I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person would, that the comic is in error, but I don't remember anything beyond sketchy experimental science on live test subjects with unpredictable results.

 

Starscream's clones also used Autobot protoforms, so yes, any and all genetics is, canonically, absolutely and without possibility of contradiction, contained in the protoform mold program. 

 

Edit: None of which is what bothers me here, you're using an invented fan theory based on misunderstood minutiae to claim that one of the best elements of the best Transformers series is bad because it's handled too well and with too light a hand and this is why we can't hugging have nice things HellCat


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 10:38 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


#27 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

The comic is by the show's head writer and much as with any given chapter of The Arrival is intended to be canon to the show.

 

The show itself makes a big deal out of the idea Autobots don't fly when Safeguard shows up. It's even the basis for Optimus requesting the upgrade he uses in the finale so he can have that edge himself. Project Omega is the only real contradiction I can think of but that saw the Autobots commission warship size flying Autobots.

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

TLDR: Lugnut 4 Lyfe

I can agree with this statement.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Decepticons are used as a bogeyman, but that's the idea of Decepticons being used to oppress other Autobots, not oppression of Decepticons (who have been in exile for untold ages.)

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.

 

Yes, and? I am not disagreeing with the obvious, explicitly and repeatedly stated fact that Autobot and Decepticon technologies and bodies are different, which is a pervasive element not only of story but one of fight staging and art design. 

 

The fact that you get to this underclass narrative from there is just bonkers. There's no support for that in the text. Maybe it was your first impression and you've convinced yourself since by this process that we fans are prey to of thinking about a bit of media a lot more than we actually watch it, over years of repetition, but it's just not hugging in there.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

 

That's part of my confusion. We know from Ratchet's flashback that by the time Omega Supreme became a thing Magnus and co were firmly on the path of 'victory no matter the cost' when they forced him to step up as Omega's handler. Likewise we have Prowl's flashback where he's not viewed favourably at all for not being willing to fight in the war. Then we get the Bush parallels with Sentinel and of course him using that cold war style 'Trust no one, spy on everyone' advert.

 

The fact that there were assholes in the Autobot ranks at various points is not in question. The issue for me is I don't think the show is quite clear as to if this means the complaints from the Decepticon camp are just excusing their own greed or if the Autobots really did persecute and cause the war in part, as seen in other continuities.

Because there is a lot of evidence that 'the oppressive Autobots' aren't just a Megatron slander.

 

I feel people think I'm missing the nuance on this when really I just think the show comes off like it wanted to have it both ways. I mean there's no doubt the show wants us to side with Optimus team who reject their peers for only furthering the war.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't think the show touched on backstory either way to make that call. We don't know what life was like before the war. But we do know Megatron is the kind of guy who SQUIRMS at affectioonate displays he sees on camera, who gloats about murdering people and is perfectly fine with using weapons to burn down a planet full of innocent people, so you can be fairly sure he is not someone precisely honest and you can be fairly sure his rethoric is just rethoric.

 

Ratchet or Prowl's personal drama doesn't mean the show is saying the Autobots were in the wrong for pushing back. It's just part of who they are, most medics and spiritual hippies aren't big on conflict.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Well, at least setting aside the genetics thing, it's a haveable argument. 

 

But yeah, I mean, the Decepticons' present-day ideology is well sufficient to put lie to any oppression rhetoric. There's definitely "discrimination" against the Decepticons, and they definitely may well be just programmed to be evil in the current generation, but that's the current situation after the Decepticons have become what they are and subsequently been exiled out of sight and out of mind of the Autobot society. Not only do we not know where the split of factions and the conflict started (except that it's generations old per the Almanacs), it seriously does not matter in the present-day frame. The Decepticons are not fighting oppression now. They may have been oppressed in the distant past before Megatron was created, or they may view their exile as oppression, but they are not a part of Autobot society to be oppressed in the present frame and only want conquest.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

For that matter, we don't even know it's "half."

Maybe the pre-war population was something like 25% proto-Decepticons to 75% proto-Autobots. Autobots may be smaller and weaker, but there are way more of them than the Decepticons (and they may have been smarter and better-organized too).

Edited by Cybersnark, 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

This is why I want answers!



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Forgot to link to one more piece of printed Animated material:


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Yeah, come to think about it, the show never really got around to outlining who the Decepticons are in the frame of worldbuilding and what exactly they want. Coupled with the fact that Autobot society is shown as xenophobic and prejudiced, I don't think the oppression narrative is an invalid reading of the text.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:43 AM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

the actual animation itself is often terrible.

 

I like Animated just fine and the designs are fantastic but man, does this ever get under-emphasized when people talk about Animated. That show's literal technical art and animation were generally atrocious.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, that's the thing, it gets lost in the discussion of the aesthetic. Pains me to watch the Japanese opening and imagine what might have been with several times the budget. = P


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 




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