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@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 07:04 PM)

Ah damn it, need to go get some new headphones.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 06:21 PM)

Power was out for most of the day, and now a boil water advisory. Been a great day so far...

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:31 PM)

Bottom line, he reminds them alternatively of all the con men they grew up with watching on television (i.e. televangelists) or their favorite character from the Bible (i.e. Old Testament God).

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:30 PM)

Bill Maher gave an excellent explanation for why the Religious Right loves Trump so much.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2018 - 05:02 PM)

"NOOOO said the man in washington! It's belongs to the poor!"... oh boy was he wrong.

@  Paladin : (19 October 2018 - 04:34 PM)

see also Andrew Ryan

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 03:18 PM)

Also, "Big Father" has almost all the benefits of "Big Brother", but with none of the drawbacks.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 02:22 PM)

I'd go with "moron", personally.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 10:02 AM)

Why not both?

@  Benbot : (19 October 2018 - 09:56 AM)

I think she was a psychopath.

@  Echowarrior : (19 October 2018 - 09:50 AM)

Ayn Rand was a pretentious bitch.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:31 AM)

But Sven makes way more sense now

@  Noideaforaname : (19 October 2018 - 09:30 AM)

Man, watching the original Voltron cartoon for the first time is so weird after having only seen the Netflix reboot.

@  D.M : (19 October 2018 - 09:09 AM)

+They don't really give a crap about God. All their religious talk is just part of the mask. They wanna look like the ideal citizen (what they consider that to be) - the most Christian of all Christians, the most patriotic of all patriots, etc.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 08:13 AM)

That's because she was also greedy, heartless, and despised the poor, which is something the right often loves more than God.

@  RichardT1977 : (19 October 2018 - 07:55 AM)

I find it rather amusing that the party of the Religious Right sees wisdom in a woman who hated the notion of God almost as much as she hated and feared the idea of being part of a family.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:39 AM)

However, another big issue is cultural differences. We do have a sense of humor, it's just different than in other cultures because it is a product of a different culture. Simply put, what you might find incredibly funny is considered unfunny by Germans... and vice versa.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:38 AM)

It's actually a multi-faceted issue. Yes, some Germans are incredibly devoid of humor, although those people exist in other countries too. I have no ideas regarding statistics, but these people exist.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2018 - 05:37 AM)

So, about this long-standing stereotype that "Germans have no sense of humor"...

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2018 - 03:49 AM)

I got enough Rand fighting my way through the Sword of Truth series. I can't imagine trying to read the original work.

@  Pennpenn : (19 October 2018 - 02:39 AM)

All the people who like Rand should go live in a big underwater city. I cannot foresee anything that could go wrong with such a scenario.

@  MidnightFox : (19 October 2018 - 01:13 AM)

Everyone needs to stop reading Rand

@  Tieria Prime : (18 October 2018 - 10:54 PM)

Gotten a new Gundam gunpla toy model kit 

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 October 2018 - 09:47 PM)

Ugh it's ridiculous how some people worship Rand's ideas.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 October 2018 - 09:07 PM)

That's one of the things the old cable companies got right: Only one or two options per area. The illusion of choice.

@  Paladin : (18 October 2018 - 08:48 PM)

business types need to stop reading Ayn Rand.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 October 2018 - 07:29 PM)

The streaming services are starting to get too saturated and start canabilising each other.

@  Steevy Maximus : (18 October 2018 - 06:50 PM)

Good thing I never bought into VRV...Funimation is pulling out. And I got into HiDive at $4 a month.

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2018 - 10:21 AM)

The restauraunt messes up your food, you complain to customer service. Complain to 911 when you get food poisoning from said food.

@  MEDdMI : (18 October 2018 - 07:59 AM)

Ugh. I hate people sometimes.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2018 - 04:00 AM)

I mean, white people are calling the cops on black people for random shit lately, it appears.

@  Pennpenn : (18 October 2018 - 02:49 AM)

It's not that surprising that some people freaked out enough over Youtube being down that they'd call emergency services. I mean, I've heard of at least one instance of someone calling 911 because the restaurant didn't make a cheeseburger to their liking.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 12:09 PM)

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/10/16/youtube-experiences-widespread-outage/ Just one of several stories about it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 October 2018 - 11:59 AM)

*groan* Morons.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 11:48 AM)

Yep.

@  MEDdMI : (17 October 2018 - 11:45 AM)

people were calling 911 about YouTube being down?

@  MEDdMI : (17 October 2018 - 11:45 AM)

....what

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 October 2018 - 11:39 AM)

Apparently some people freaked out so much they called 911.

@  Pennpenn : (17 October 2018 - 07:33 AM)

I was at work when it happened I guess.

@  Paladin : (17 October 2018 - 07:18 AM)

disappeared completely up its own asshole.

@  Pennpenn : (17 October 2018 - 02:14 AM)

Youtube was gone?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 11:53 PM)

I actually agree with you MEDdMI, or at least be creative. x.x

@  MEDdMI : (16 October 2018 - 11:29 PM)

Death threats are boring. Get to know the person, then torment them with stuff that really gets under their skin. *evil grin*

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 October 2018 - 10:18 PM)

YouTube is back!

@  Waspinator : (16 October 2018 - 09:55 PM)

Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

@  RichardT1977 : (16 October 2018 - 09:27 PM)

BTW for the three of you who haven't discovered yet, YouTube is down.

@  Telly : (16 October 2018 - 08:05 PM)

maybe this is that persons first death threat, and the creativity will come with more experiance

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 06:14 PM)

Nah. Or at least not near as creative as some of them I've got. This one was a basic "If I ever see you IRL I'll slit you're throat."

@  wonko the sane? : (16 October 2018 - 06:00 PM)

was it at least a creative threat?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 October 2018 - 01:07 PM)

Speaking of which.. Got a deaththeat today on an other messageboard. :D


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#21 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

That I don't feel the show did a good job of making it clear how Autobot oppression did or did not play a part in the war.

 

If Megatron had pushed this line with Allspark Earth bots whilst we were shown the Autobot command was squeaky clean it would be obvious.

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

Half of what you've described, we've already established is in your head and contradicts established canon facts. I don't find your subjective impression based on those facts persuasive.

 

In the actual show the rest of us saw, the purpose of making the Autobots assholes was the fact that it was the goddamn Bush administration and little else. We had workaday heroes in a pinch between evil and corrupt and having to get over their own side's preconceptions and prejudices. It was good and complex and didn't need to be dumbed down with didacticism. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

What have I said that was apparently only in my head? I'm referencing things that happened in the show. 

 

Seriously, I feel like I'm offending you here and I'm really not trying to.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I'm not offended, but a little appalled. 

 

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

Read the comic which came with the Safeguard 2 pack. It's said they had to copy data from Starscream and splice it into Autobots. It's seen as dangerous and unethical and the twins are chosen because if general citizens become casualties of this experiment it won't be considered any great loss.

 

So unethical Autobot command using the citizens as guinea pigs and having to splice Decepticon attributes into existing Autobots. Not just take a flight capable protoform/mould and make it the first of a new generation of flying Autobots. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

I have in fact read the comic, I believe I still have it somewhere. Yes, it was an unethical way of getting test subjects. If any of the tech contradicts the cartoon, I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person would, that the comic is in error, but I don't remember anything beyond sketchy experimental science on live test subjects with unpredictable results.

 

Starscream's clones also used Autobot protoforms, so yes, any and all genetics is, canonically, absolutely and without possibility of contradiction, contained in the protoform mold program. 

 

Edit: None of which is what bothers me here, you're using an invented fan theory based on misunderstood minutiae to claim that one of the best elements of the best Transformers series is bad because it's handled too well and with too light a hand and this is why we can't hugging have nice things HellCat


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 10:38 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

The comic is by the show's head writer and much as with any given chapter of The Arrival is intended to be canon to the show.

 

The show itself makes a big deal out of the idea Autobots don't fly when Safeguard shows up. It's even the basis for Optimus requesting the upgrade he uses in the finale so he can have that edge himself. Project Omega is the only real contradiction I can think of but that saw the Autobots commission warship size flying Autobots.

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

TLDR: Lugnut 4 Lyfe

I can agree with this statement.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Decepticons are used as a bogeyman, but that's the idea of Decepticons being used to oppress other Autobots, not oppression of Decepticons (who have been in exile for untold ages.)

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.

 

Yes, and? I am not disagreeing with the obvious, explicitly and repeatedly stated fact that Autobot and Decepticon technologies and bodies are different, which is a pervasive element not only of story but one of fight staging and art design. 

 

The fact that you get to this underclass narrative from there is just bonkers. There's no support for that in the text. Maybe it was your first impression and you've convinced yourself since by this process that we fans are prey to of thinking about a bit of media a lot more than we actually watch it, over years of repetition, but it's just not hugging in there.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

 

That's part of my confusion. We know from Ratchet's flashback that by the time Omega Supreme became a thing Magnus and co were firmly on the path of 'victory no matter the cost' when they forced him to step up as Omega's handler. Likewise we have Prowl's flashback where he's not viewed favourably at all for not being willing to fight in the war. Then we get the Bush parallels with Sentinel and of course him using that cold war style 'Trust no one, spy on everyone' advert.

 

The fact that there were assholes in the Autobot ranks at various points is not in question. The issue for me is I don't think the show is quite clear as to if this means the complaints from the Decepticon camp are just excusing their own greed or if the Autobots really did persecute and cause the war in part, as seen in other continuities.

Because there is a lot of evidence that 'the oppressive Autobots' aren't just a Megatron slander.

 

I feel people think I'm missing the nuance on this when really I just think the show comes off like it wanted to have it both ways. I mean there's no doubt the show wants us to side with Optimus team who reject their peers for only furthering the war.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't think the show touched on backstory either way to make that call. We don't know what life was like before the war. But we do know Megatron is the kind of guy who SQUIRMS at affectioonate displays he sees on camera, who gloats about murdering people and is perfectly fine with using weapons to burn down a planet full of innocent people, so you can be fairly sure he is not someone precisely honest and you can be fairly sure his rethoric is just rethoric.

 

Ratchet or Prowl's personal drama doesn't mean the show is saying the Autobots were in the wrong for pushing back. It's just part of who they are, most medics and spiritual hippies aren't big on conflict.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Well, at least setting aside the genetics thing, it's a haveable argument. 

 

But yeah, I mean, the Decepticons' present-day ideology is well sufficient to put lie to any oppression rhetoric. There's definitely "discrimination" against the Decepticons, and they definitely may well be just programmed to be evil in the current generation, but that's the current situation after the Decepticons have become what they are and subsequently been exiled out of sight and out of mind of the Autobot society. Not only do we not know where the split of factions and the conflict started (except that it's generations old per the Almanacs), it seriously does not matter in the present-day frame. The Decepticons are not fighting oppression now. They may have been oppressed in the distant past before Megatron was created, or they may view their exile as oppression, but they are not a part of Autobot society to be oppressed in the present frame and only want conquest.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

For that matter, we don't even know it's "half."

Maybe the pre-war population was something like 25% proto-Decepticons to 75% proto-Autobots. Autobots may be smaller and weaker, but there are way more of them than the Decepticons (and they may have been smarter and better-organized too).

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

This is why I want answers!



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Forgot to link to one more piece of printed Animated material:


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Yeah, come to think about it, the show never really got around to outlining who the Decepticons are in the frame of worldbuilding and what exactly they want. Coupled with the fact that Autobot society is shown as xenophobic and prejudiced, I don't think the oppression narrative is an invalid reading of the text.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:43 AM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

the actual animation itself is often terrible.

 

I like Animated just fine and the designs are fantastic but man, does this ever get under-emphasized when people talk about Animated. That show's literal technical art and animation were generally atrocious.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, that's the thing, it gets lost in the discussion of the aesthetic. Pains me to watch the Japanese opening and imagine what might have been with several times the budget. = P


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
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