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@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 09:26 PM)

ALL HAIL THE BLESSED OCTOBUTT.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Thanks in any case!

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Oh, wow. That is ages ago. 

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:03 PM)

ages ago meaning when the spark was still on ezboard

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:02 PM)

i think maybe it was part of a title of a movie someone posted ages ago and the "lesbian ninja" part stood out and people just latched on to it. please note this is possibly totally and completely wrong cause my memory is terrible anymore

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 12:11 PM)

I don't think it's a fandom thing, I think it's an Allspark thing. Or that's been my perception. Mayhem has some lesbian ninja regulars now but I think the reference is much older. = ] 

@  Robowang : (15 November 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Who knows. I always thought it was stupid.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

What is this fandom's deal with lesbian ninjas? Is it some fantheory about Nightbird or something?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 November 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Huh my phone didn't even alert me for some reason. Guess it only does on the Mayhem Discord Hangouts??

@  BlackMax : (14 November 2017 - 09:41 PM)

Telly, you are FIRED as my PR agent. :D

@  Telly : (14 November 2017 - 09:05 PM)

you all dont know what you missed. there was fun. there were games. lesbian ninjas. tang and even a couple human sacrifices.


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#21 HellCat

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:11 AM

That I don't feel the show did a good job of making it clear how Autobot oppression did or did not play a part in the war.

 

If Megatron had pushed this line with Allspark Earth bots whilst we were shown the Autobot command was squeaky clean it would be obvious.

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

Half of what you've described, we've already established is in your head and contradicts established canon facts. I don't find your subjective impression based on those facts persuasive.

 

In the actual show the rest of us saw, the purpose of making the Autobots assholes was the fact that it was the goddamn Bush administration and little else. We had workaday heroes in a pinch between evil and corrupt and having to get over their own side's preconceptions and prejudices. It was good and complex and didn't need to be dumbed down with didacticism. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

What have I said that was apparently only in my head? I'm referencing things that happened in the show. 

 

Seriously, I feel like I'm offending you here and I'm really not trying to.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:24 AM

I'm not offended, but a little appalled. 

 

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:32 AM

Read the comic which came with the Safeguard 2 pack. It's said they had to copy data from Starscream and splice it into Autobots. It's seen as dangerous and unethical and the twins are chosen because if general citizens become casualties of this experiment it won't be considered any great loss.

 

So unethical Autobot command using the citizens as guinea pigs and having to splice Decepticon attributes into existing Autobots. Not just take a flight capable protoform/mould and make it the first of a new generation of flying Autobots. 



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

I have in fact read the comic, I believe I still have it somewhere. Yes, it was an unethical way of getting test subjects. If any of the tech contradicts the cartoon, I'm going to assume, as a reasonable person would, that the comic is in error, but I don't remember anything beyond sketchy experimental science on live test subjects with unpredictable results.

 

Starscream's clones also used Autobot protoforms, so yes, any and all genetics is, canonically, absolutely and without possibility of contradiction, contained in the protoform mold program. 

 

Edit: None of which is what bothers me here, you're using an invented fan theory based on misunderstood minutiae to claim that one of the best elements of the best Transformers series is bad because it's handled too well and with too light a hand and this is why we can't hugging have nice things HellCat


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 10:38 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

The comic is by the show's head writer and much as with any given chapter of The Arrival is intended to be canon to the show.

 

The show itself makes a big deal out of the idea Autobots don't fly when Safeguard shows up. It's even the basis for Optimus requesting the upgrade he uses in the finale so he can have that edge himself. Project Omega is the only real contradiction I can think of but that saw the Autobots commission warship size flying Autobots.

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

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I can agree with this statement.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 11 November 2017 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:57 AM

Decepticons are used as a bogeyman, but that's the idea of Decepticons being used to oppress other Autobots, not oppression of Decepticons (who have been in exile for untold ages.)

 

Which in fact seems to lead back to what I'm saying that Animated as a rule seems to consider flight and similar powers something only larger bots receive. Certainly in any other continuity Bots and Cons alike come in a range of different sizes and have varying abilities. Animated chose to go out of its way to make Autobots smaller and weaker.

 

Yes, and? I am not disagreeing with the obvious, explicitly and repeatedly stated fact that Autobot and Decepticon technologies and bodies are different, which is a pervasive element not only of story but one of fight staging and art design. 

 

The fact that you get to this underclass narrative from there is just bonkers. There's no support for that in the text. Maybe it was your first impression and you've convinced yourself since by this process that we fans are prey to of thinking about a bit of media a lot more than we actually watch it, over years of repetition, but it's just not hugging in there.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:02 AM

 

Instead we have Decepticon characters making reference to oppression whilst the Autobots are indeed shown to be an oppressive government/the show flirts with real world war and isolation controversy.


While I'm not too sure if there was intended conclusion to be drawn since I haven't seen Animated in a forever, I thiiink these two aren't all that related in-universe since most of the present-day Autobots weren't exactly experienced with Decepticons.

 

That's part of my confusion. We know from Ratchet's flashback that by the time Omega Supreme became a thing Magnus and co were firmly on the path of 'victory no matter the cost' when they forced him to step up as Omega's handler. Likewise we have Prowl's flashback where he's not viewed favourably at all for not being willing to fight in the war. Then we get the Bush parallels with Sentinel and of course him using that cold war style 'Trust no one, spy on everyone' advert.

 

The fact that there were assholes in the Autobot ranks at various points is not in question. The issue for me is I don't think the show is quite clear as to if this means the complaints from the Decepticon camp are just excusing their own greed or if the Autobots really did persecute and cause the war in part, as seen in other continuities.

Because there is a lot of evidence that 'the oppressive Autobots' aren't just a Megatron slander.

 

I feel people think I'm missing the nuance on this when really I just think the show comes off like it wanted to have it both ways. I mean there's no doubt the show wants us to side with Optimus team who reject their peers for only furthering the war.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:08 AM

I don't think the show touched on backstory either way to make that call. We don't know what life was like before the war. But we do know Megatron is the kind of guy who SQUIRMS at affectioonate displays he sees on camera, who gloats about murdering people and is perfectly fine with using weapons to burn down a planet full of innocent people, so you can be fairly sure he is not someone precisely honest and you can be fairly sure his rethoric is just rethoric.

 

Ratchet or Prowl's personal drama doesn't mean the show is saying the Autobots were in the wrong for pushing back. It's just part of who they are, most medics and spiritual hippies aren't big on conflict.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Well, at least setting aside the genetics thing, it's a haveable argument. 

 

But yeah, I mean, the Decepticons' present-day ideology is well sufficient to put lie to any oppression rhetoric. There's definitely "discrimination" against the Decepticons, and they definitely may well be just programmed to be evil in the current generation, but that's the current situation after the Decepticons have become what they are and subsequently been exiled out of sight and out of mind of the Autobot society. Not only do we not know where the split of factions and the conflict started (except that it's generations old per the Almanacs), it seriously does not matter in the present-day frame. The Decepticons are not fighting oppression now. They may have been oppressed in the distant past before Megatron was created, or they may view their exile as oppression, but they are not a part of Autobot society to be oppressed in the present frame and only want conquest.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

For that matter, we don't even know it's "half."

Maybe the pre-war population was something like 25% proto-Decepticons to 75% proto-Autobots. Autobots may be smaller and weaker, but there are way more of them than the Decepticons (and they may have been smarter and better-organized too).

Edited by Cybersnark, 11 November 2017 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

This is why I want answers!



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

Forgot to link to one more piece of printed Animated material:


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Yeah, come to think about it, the show never really got around to outlining who the Decepticons are in the frame of worldbuilding and what exactly they want. Coupled with the fact that Autobot society is shown as xenophobic and prejudiced, I don't think the oppression narrative is an invalid reading of the text.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:43 AM

Aha, it is in the Almanac, Hellcat. At least according to that writeup, the split was about 1 Bya, but the Destrons were a partner in the Cybertronian pastiche. There was a war 300 Mya in which the Destrons felt used and underappreciated for doing most of the fighting, but it didn't break down outright until the Decepticons split from the Destrons' ranks "just" 70 Mya, and Megatron later took control of that faction for his own agenda. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM

the actual animation itself is often terrible.

 

I like Animated just fine and the designs are fantastic but man, does this ever get under-emphasized when people talk about Animated. That show's literal technical art and animation were generally atrocious.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Yeah, that's the thing, it gets lost in the discussion of the aesthetic. Pains me to watch the Japanese opening and imagine what might have been with several times the budget. = P


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

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