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@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 09:26 PM)

ALL HAIL THE BLESSED OCTOBUTT.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Thanks in any case!

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Oh, wow. That is ages ago. 

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:03 PM)

ages ago meaning when the spark was still on ezboard

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:02 PM)

i think maybe it was part of a title of a movie someone posted ages ago and the "lesbian ninja" part stood out and people just latched on to it. please note this is possibly totally and completely wrong cause my memory is terrible anymore

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 12:11 PM)

I don't think it's a fandom thing, I think it's an Allspark thing. Or that's been my perception. Mayhem has some lesbian ninja regulars now but I think the reference is much older. = ] 

@  Robowang : (15 November 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Who knows. I always thought it was stupid.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

What is this fandom's deal with lesbian ninjas? Is it some fantheory about Nightbird or something?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 November 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Huh my phone didn't even alert me for some reason. Guess it only does on the Mayhem Discord Hangouts??

@  BlackMax : (14 November 2017 - 09:41 PM)

Telly, you are FIRED as my PR agent. :D

@  Telly : (14 November 2017 - 09:05 PM)

you all dont know what you missed. there was fun. there were games. lesbian ninjas. tang and even a couple human sacrifices.


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#1 Tailgreat

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:33 PM

Just finished my bingewatch and it's amazing. It's almost as good as Beast Wars.

Casting Optimus as a young, erstwhile hero should be awful; even if Grand Heroic Autobot Optimus get boring after a while, making him Terry McGinnis would be just as bad. Instead the show strikes a perfect balance, where he's someone growing into that noble hero while constantly showing the traits that make him a good leader on top of giving him depth and flaws to overcome and arc to achieve.

 

All the other Autobots are great too. Crotchety battle axe Ratchet and dumb sensitive lug Bulkhead were far and away my favourites. Heck I even liked the filler human villains because they're just fun, and some like Headmaster and Meltdown make for effective antagonists.

 

Funnily enough, it shares Beast Wars' main flaw, which was a rushed conclusion. The finale just kind of happens, though with a little better build up than Beast Wars got, and feels too small. This show really would have benefited the most from having an extra season, especially since we miss out on Sari's backstory (and speaking of Sari she's easily the best token human the franchise has ever gotten, even before she turns out to be part robot).

 

I think my biggest problem with the show is Sentinel Prime. I know he's supposed to be a jerk, but he's the one character filled potential that's never used. They keep hinting there's more to him where he expresses fondness for Optimus and then they never go anywhere with it and  he remains a jerk, and then they build him up into a proper antagonist figure where he takes the role of Magnus and then they never do anything with that either outside of "This Is Why I Hate Machines", and that was really small. Blackarachnia really needed another episode too to complete her arc. She was another character they never really decided where they wanted to go with her.

 

Overall it's fantastic, and now I deeply regret not jumping on this a decade ago because I missed out on all those sweet toys. At least I have my Voyager Optimus.

 

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 10:05 PM

Glad you liked it; I personally consider it my favorite Transformers series. Hell, I joined this site so I could talk about Animated with other fans!


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:23 AM

For me, it ranks as number 3, with Beast Wars in first place and Rescue Bots in second.

 

If you loved the show, you'll love all the extra material it got in printed form. Recommended reads include:


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 02:30 AM

The Almanac  II or Complete version actually detail the proposed season 4's episodes and plots along with some concept art of a Powermaster Prime, "Maurader" Megatron , and new looks for a few more characters. Sadly both are out of print and go for some high prices but the original 2 are available through Kindle for much less.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:23 AM

I like Animated but feel it's become overrated. It works well as a series that acknowledges the franchise history up to that point without being bound to a single overriding gimmick but it was cut short on resolution and the actual animation itself is often terrible.

One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting. It bugs me in the same way Beast Wars does for implying morality or lack of is programmed into Predacons.

Something's wrong when the G1 cartoon explored the idea better with the Aerialbots.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:52 AM

Sabrblade linked the storybook version above, but you can actually watch "The Return of Blurr" as a full-cast audio drama with illustrations, with Blurr and Arcee's original VAs! It's set after the end of season 3.



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#7 Copper Bezel

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 04:06 AM

Man, I'd give teeth for a Transformers series that was animated like Animated again. Striking and interesting character designs and a dense, lived-in world. Rescue Bots gets most of the way there, admittedly. 

 

But for the most part I don't really care about comparisons to other TF series, Animated was a singular event and it was a beautiful thing. I don't expect that kind of lightning to strike twice in the same franchise, especially considering how much of G1 it incorporated and reprised in a way that only had to happen once and would feel cheap the second time.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:38 AM

Sabrblade linked the storybook version above, but you can actually watch "The Return of Blurr" as a full-cast audio drama with illustrations, with Blurr and Arcee's original VAs! It's set after the end of season 3.

 

It was hilarious how gruesomely they killed Blurr off. He gets crushed to death on screen, and then Cliffjumper just throws his remains into an incinerator.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:47 AM

One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting.


Really? I mean, in the real world, tiny nations have subjugated much larger populations with some regularity. The more physically impressive specimens are often shackled to the will of less physically impressive but wealthier or more organized masters.

Also, Animated is pretty silent on the question of what kicked off the Autobot Decepticon war. The idea that it was "oppressed Decepticons" is entirely in your own head, probably put there by IDW.

So... the thing that bothers you about the show isn't really in the show at all.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:04 AM

Didn't Megatron talk like tyranny on the Autobots' part was a factor? Granted, there was no specifying what that really meant.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:08 AM

 

One thing that bugged me is the class divide. Decepticons are depicted as hulking brutes who tower over the Autobots and whilst the Autobots are shown to be corrupt there seems to be no logical way this idea of an oppressed Decepticon class could happen in this setting.


Really? I mean, in the real world, tiny nations have subjugated much larger populations with some regularity. The more physically impressive specimens are often shackled to the will of less physically impressive but wealthier or more organized masters.

Also, Animated is pretty silent on the question of what kicked off the Autobot Decepticon war. The idea that it was "oppressed Decepticons" is entirely in your own head, probably put there by IDW.

So... the thing that bothers you about the show isn't really in the show at all.

 

Didn't Megatron talk like tyranny on the Autobots' part was a factor? Granted, there was no specifying what that really meant.

 

Yeah, granted Megatron isn't the least biased of sources, but isn't Autobot tyranny part of his rhetoric?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:10 AM

I don't remember whether it was any more specific than that, though. Which has occasionally meant "tyrannically not allowing us to conquer the galaxy" in some continuities. It definitely doesn't from there create some kind of inconsistency with the fact that Decepticons also use different protoform molds. = .


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:18 AM

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:36 AM

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species. It would be like if half of humans were born as normal and half of humans were born 10ft tall with super powers.

 

Animated would have done well to explore this properly. Despite it's hardly consistent continuity, I'll cite the G1 cartoon again because that at least later claimed the two species were the result of being descended from consumer and military robots respectively.

 

With Animated? Who knows.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:41 AM

Didn't Megatron talk like tyranny on the Autobots' part was a factor? Granted, there was no specifying what that really meant.

He also talked like the main Autobot cast were his friends and the reason he didn't want them to know about him was because he was embarrassed about being in pieces.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:46 AM

Are you talking about this exchange?

 

Mixmaster: "You tricked us! You Decepticons are the scum o' the universe!"
Megatron: "...Whaaat? Who told you that?"
Scrapper: "Our friend Bulkhead."
Megatron: "And you believed him?"
Mixmaster: "Well, sure, he's our friend."
Megatron: "And did your friend tell you how his Autobot kind have oppressed us? Driven us from our rightful home? Oh, they may come across as complete imbeciles, but Autobots are cunning, ruthless, unforgiving."

 

If so, I'll point out that the context for that exchange is this:

 

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:50 AM

Yeah, the "oppression" Megatron talks about is the Decepticons being kicked off Cybertron after losing the war, which if I'm remembering right was an exile they chose in return for amnesty.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

Megatron is shown in series to talk about Autobot oppression. The show never makes it clear if this is genuine or simply a line he uses to drum up support but equally we are shown that the Autobots are corrupt even before Sentinel assumes command. Animated likewise makes the point that there is actually a genetic distinction between Autobot and Decepticon, with Safeguard being the result of them performing secret genetic experiments to grant Autobots the Decepticon ability of flight.

 

So we have a race of apparently naturally emerging one man armies within the Cybertronian species.

Woooooooooooow. 

 

You know they, like, build them, right? Did you see any part of the series other than the bits you're stringing together to create this fan theory?

 

This isn't G2 and it isn't IDW. "Naturally occurring" does not even exist. Let alone the assumption that the plot of X-Men is the only way for anyone to get superpowers unless otherwise indicated.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 November 2017 - 10:01 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

So how does this factor in with the actual shady actions we see from the Autobot side? Beast Machines-style 'both sides lose themselves in war'?

 

Wasp was framed as a spy and tortured to the point he became a revenge obsessed wreck discussing himself in the third person. If they do that in peace time, what were they like prior?

 

There's room in the show to suggest the Autobots are indeed oppressive. Blackarachnia becomes a Decepticon out of a mix of self loathing and the fact the Autobots would/do view her as an abomination.



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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

... yes. That is the content of the show you are describing. The Autobots are assholes.

 

What was your point then?


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?

 

Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?




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