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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 03:47 PM)

LOL bananas

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM)

Either way, I'd stick to the definitions of the people who actually work in the field and know what they're talking about over incredibly loose unhelpful ones 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

Which fossils and genetic sequencing proved were quite different from wolves as we know them. Which is kind of the point, since while domesticated organisms changed genetically, so have their wild counterparts.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:34 AM)

I mean, even more extreme would be to ask if cows would turn back into aurochs. They'd go feral or exitinct, but they wouldn't revert.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Don't be ridiculous. The domesticated dog wasn't derived from the modern wolf. Both descended from a common ancestor

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:33 AM)

Then they are still Geneticly modified. ;P I mean hell, in a lot of cases, there is very little difference between removing a gene and making it dormant. Anyways. Gotta run, stuff to do right now. Have fun.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:32 AM)

The ones that survived would be more wolf like, but they wouldn't be wolves. And in a lot of cases without human intervention most of the heavily modified animals and plants wouldn't survive a "few generations".

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:31 AM)

Are you saying, given a few years (relativily speaking) of no humans, dogs will return to wolves?

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:30 AM)

Within a few generations without human intervention, the same traits resurface. because again, the genes aren't changed. Only the population.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:28 AM)

The genes for those traits are still present though. You're not manipulating the genotype, rather than the phenotype of the population.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:26 AM)

The fact that it's a more indirect method compared to, say, CRISPR is irrelevant.

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Selective breeding is a form of genetic manipulation, since you're restricting or eliminating unfavored genetic patterns from being expressed in the target organisms.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:25 AM)

As it should be... People whine about GMO, but most of it is because they don't understand that biotech is usually just a faster way of doing the exact same thing thousands of years of crossbreading does.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

You can call it whatever you like, but again, that definition is so wide as to be worthless and few people would agree with the definition.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:20 AM)

The commonly accepted definition of "genetic modification" by the scientific community involves biotechnology and direct manipulation of genetic material

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 08:13 AM)

But.. While slower.. That's -exactly- what crossbreeding is.. Genetic modification.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 08:02 AM)

Which is patently ridiculous. They didn't modify the genetic makeup of these organisms; just manipulated the odds of traits deemed as favorable being expressed. 

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 07:53 AM)

By that definition, literally everything that humans have domesticated is a GMO.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 07:44 AM)

Why? It's completely geneticly modified to be almost completely distinct from what a real banana is.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:52 AM)

By looser definitions of GMO. So loose as to be worthless pretty much.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (23 January 2019 - 06:35 AM)

So.. All banannas that anyone eats.. organic or not.. is a GMO..

@  Pennpenn : (23 January 2019 - 06:23 AM)

Aren't they usually called palatains? But yeah, the only reason those cultivars survive at all is because of humans.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

That said, there are still wild banana plants which do reproduce sexually. If you don't mind gigantic seeds in them.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:16 AM)

This makes them highly susceptible to disease due to the stagnant genetic pool and inability to adapt.

@  unluckiness : (23 January 2019 - 06:15 AM)

The domesticated kind reproduced asexually, meaning that the ones present today have the genetics of the same banana plants circa whenever bananas were domesticated

@  NotVeryKnightly : (23 January 2019 - 04:53 AM)

Why would they be?

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2019 - 04:07 AM)

Shouldn't banana's be extinct now?

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:38 PM)

:p You leave my male harem alone.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 11:27 PM)

Yeah, but unfortunately, it was Fire Emblem Fates.

@  MEDdMI : (22 January 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Fire Emblem Fates didn't force the gay pairings to have kids, not even for adoption. Granted, there were only 2 canon gay/bi options amoungst a sea of hetero, but still.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:27 PM)

It pissed off more people than usual since when the game was getting hyped much was made that you could have your character be gay as the first of May, and also the fact that the achievement for that event in the DLC was called "Growing Up"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 10:19 PM)

Never played the game, but that works as well! Textbook mindless natalism.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 10:15 PM)

Huh, I figured you were talking about that Assassins Creed Oddessy DLC that forces your character to have a kid regardless of your choices, previous behaviour, or current situation.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:16 PM)

Some context: I am bemoaning the fact that Modern Family is currently demonstrating why it should have already ended. Because not only it is making its annoying characters even worse, but Haley's storyline is taking her in a direction I hate.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:08 PM)

So when a lazy cop-out in the story happens, I'm going to object to the shoehorning.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM)

I think you misunderstand me. History is rife with instances wherein having children turned out not to be the right decision, and people with normal intelligence saw it coming. So people like myself find it infurating when television writers broadly pretend this doesn't happen.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:02 PM)

So it's not weird that it shows up in a lot of fiction. Since it shows up in a lot of nonfiction.

@  Shrug : (22 January 2019 - 09:01 PM)

But you know, like... the majority of people do it.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:49 PM)

And no characters call out this course of action for the stupidity it is. Believe it or not, not everyone is cut out to have kids, and having children is not an extraordinary life accomplishment.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 08:48 PM)

Yup. Like writers knocking up a (usually female) character for no good reason, often when said character has not previously expressed the desire for children, or children would heavily set back their life plans, or the other biological parent is not a good relationship partner.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:29 PM)

I mean, there's more to it, and varying levels of related concepts and blah blah blah, but I'm not gonna go further in the shoutbox.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 07:27 PM)

It's the "everyone's gotta make babies" school of thought. It varies but in media it manifests as "all characters end up married with kids or dead". For contrast an anti-natalist concept would be China's One Child policy.

@  Locoman : (22 January 2019 - 06:28 PM)

.... pro-natalist?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 January 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Pro-natalist clichés in fiction are overrated. But no Hollywood writer can come up with new ideas. Argh.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 10:05 AM)

How does the giant gimmicky Bumblebee toy have such an incredible leg transformation compared to the MPM

@  lastmaximal : (22 January 2019 - 09:27 AM)

I mean it's Vigo. We are like the buzzing of flies to him.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 05:51 AM)

Perfectly. His talent is only surpassed by Tommy Wiseau

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2019 - 04:57 AM)

How well he can play them is another story.

@  unluckiness : (22 January 2019 - 04:34 AM)

Blasphemy. Nicolas Cage can play anybody.

@  Pennpenn : (22 January 2019 - 03:34 AM)

I'm just glad we're in a timeline where Nicolas Cage was too busy to play Aragorn in Lord of the Rings. As much as I may like Cage, there was no way he could have done that and Viggo was infintely better for the part.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:51 AM

So, in the one SDCC interview, John Warden indicates that more movie stuff (not TLK) is to be shown at Hascon; it's hard not to think that it will be the leaked list from last week.

So, of the leaked characters, which are you most happy about? Which do you really not care for and would rather see replaced by another character or design?

I think my favorite thing so far about this line is the loose scale they are implementing. The only character that kind of seems out of place is Ratchet; I always think of him and Ironhide as supposed to be the same size in bot mode. But it's great that they saved the leader class for characters who are supposed to be huge, and all the voyager characters are close to the same size in bot mode.

The one character I think I'm most looking forward to is Stinger since he didn't get a real toy for AoE. He isn't much of a character but he looks great and is a neat concept. Blackout is a close second, of course; it seems like they switched him and Brawl and that should have been the case back in 2007.

I am sort of disappointed that Megatron is in his ROTF form. His ROTF voyager was pretty good, though I do hope this new one does not rely on kibble wings and has a more accurate bot mode as a result. I think I would have preffered his 2007 design as I think they could make a much betfer toy of it if it didnt have to accomodate the claw-wings gimmick and ice parts.

Im also surprised to not see Bumblebee, but I figure they plan to remold Stinger into him eventually.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:59 AM

Crowbar. All the better if he gets a reshell into Dreadbot.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 08:49 AM

Honestly, I hope they also end up using this line as a chance to re-release some of the molds that never came here before- like Que, Soundwave, Leadfoot and probably Cogman.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:03 AM

Blackout and Grimlock

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:04 AM

Leader Blackout is the only one that interested me, and that's mostly because he's got an actual toy design and not just a render.

But I made the hard switch to Cyberverse during DotM, so unless we see small scale stuff (Tiny Titan Changers!) I'd probably just pass on it all.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:12 AM

I've limited my movie collection to just the cast of the first film, so Blackout is definitely the (word meaning the thing where dogs' ears perk up) figure for me here.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:24 AM

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:25 AM

Blackout is pretty much the only thing I care about in that particular chunk of leaks.  I probably already have better (or the same) versions of everything else.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:34 AM

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:50 AM

I think I'm also intrigued by what the voyager Optimus will look like

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:51 AM

The idea of whole new deluxe Jazz intrigues me.  The original wasn't great even by 2007 standards, and I'm really interested what more current design teams would do with the character design.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:58 AM

I'd love a better looking toy of 66 Camaro Bumblebee from AOE. I really liked the look of that car and wish that the existing toy didn't look so weird in robot mode.

Other than that, new Jazz and Blackout sound interesting.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:16 AM

 

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.

 

 

Bonecrusher is the worst Movie 1 Decepticon toy, imo. Blackout's not great, but its still better and have at least a few gimmick to excuse some of that, and Brawl got a leader class toy since his Deluxe toy is nullified. 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:20 AM

 

 

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.

 

 

Bonecrusher is the worst Movie 1 Decepticon toy, imo. Blackout's not great, but its still better and have at least a few gimmick to excuse some of that, and Brawl got a leader class toy since his Deluxe toy is nullified. 

 

Bonecrusher is still a better toy than any of Megatron's Movie 1 design toys.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:34 AM

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:38 AM

 

 

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.

 

 

Bonecrusher is the worst Movie 1 Decepticon toy, imo. Blackout's not great, but its still better and have at least a few gimmick to excuse some of that, and Brawl got a leader class toy since his Deluxe toy is nullified. 

 

Bonecrusher > Swindle.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:46 AM

Blackout's the only one I'll buy, most likely. I want them to make a new Bonecrusher.



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:05 PM

 

 

 

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.

 

 

Bonecrusher is the worst Movie 1 Decepticon toy, imo. Blackout's not great, but its still better and have at least a few gimmick to excuse some of that, and Brawl got a leader class toy since his Deluxe toy is nullified. 

 

Bonecrusher is still a better toy than any of Megatron's Movie 1 design toys.

 

 

I tend to forget about the Movie 1 designs for him since as a Character Megatron does get some better toys from other movies, so he's not a character I think of when I think 'needs a better representation' since at the very least his DOTM and TLK toys are good. 

 

 

 

 

Bonecrusher seriously needs a better toy. 

 

I do love me my deluxe Bonecrusher but I sure wouldn't turn down a Voyager one.

 

 

Bonecrusher is the worst Movie 1 Decepticon toy, imo. Blackout's not great, but its still better and have at least a few gimmick to excuse some of that, and Brawl got a leader class toy since his Deluxe toy is nullified. 

 

Bonecrusher > Swindle.

 

 

Never owned that mold, so you might be right there. Though I kinda blank out on the non-movie characters regardless, even ones I own and really like... 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:11 PM

Jazz may have my favorite design of the movie-folk, so even though I don't see my Human Alliance figure going anywhere, I'm just excited to find out what they do with him.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:14 PM

I don't know what the problem is with Bonecrusher, other than being too small. 

 

I mean he has the incredible huggy stretchy arms and his cool scorpion tail weapon that's pretty much accurate to the film. 

 

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