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@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 11:05 PM)

i wish theyd dub double zeta. thats the only one im missing for the "amuro vs char" thing (and chars not even in it so...). but given some of the things ive heard about it, its probly best that they dont dub it

@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 11:02 PM)

and im on vacation next week so ill have lots of time to watch all this lol

@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 11:01 PM)

@zaku ive got war in the pocket on standard dvd already. amazon didnt have it on blu ray. bonus points to it for having character designs by haruhiku mikimoto. and this collecction is only "new" in as much as its new to me on blu ray. ive had burnt dvd copies of it all for years

@  Xellos : (24 April 2019 - 09:44 PM)

Yeah, 00 was pretty good, and I recently watched Build Divers, and found it really fun. Got both limited editions of IBO... still need to watch them...

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 April 2019 - 08:30 PM)

00 is also pretty good, basically a refined version of the Wing concept, and IBO is great.

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 April 2019 - 08:29 PM)

I'll be the requisite "Build Fighters is actually pretty good" chime in

@  MEDdMI : (24 April 2019 - 07:52 PM)

G Gundam was the best. Horse mecha! Piloted by.... a HORSE!

@  ZakuConvoy : (24 April 2019 - 07:31 PM)

I'd probably recommend tracking down 0080 War in the Pocket to go along with your new collection, but you might have enough to watch for right now.

@  Xellos : (24 April 2019 - 06:53 PM)

G Gundam will likely always rank first for me, as it is the one I find the most fun, but 8th MS was great for being the most "realistic" of the UC stuff.

@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 06:17 PM)

the only other gundam series ive watched-which was also the FIRST gundam series i watched-is wing (and ill probly get that on blu ray soon too). i know i havent watched everything tied to it, but the UC is quite enough for me lol

@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 06:14 PM)

i think 8th team is my favorite, but cant say why. maybe it has something to do with them not being newtypes. i dont particularly like that concept

@  Xellos : (24 April 2019 - 06:11 PM)

8th M Team, 0083, and Zeta are my favorites of the original timeline. Have yet to watch Origin, but it is loooow on my list, as I never particularly liked Char. Quattro Bajeena was actually kinda cool, though.

@  Telly : (24 April 2019 - 05:49 PM)

so i just did something insane. i bought gundam origin, first gundam, 08th ms team, operation stardust, zeta gundam AND chars counterattack on bluray...

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2019 - 05:46 PM)

Hollywood stereotypes, eh? Don't get me started on how sheerly unrealistic that can be, and how badly Hollywood loves to stick to them.

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 05:44 PM)

Also, fun fact: To me, Dutch is the language that sounds harsh compared to German.

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 05:37 PM)

Generally, nobody shouts at each other in Germany unless they're either a) morons or b) doing it for comedic effect.

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 05:36 PM)

... based on an outdated way of speaking (I mean, does anyone in the US still speak like Joe Friday?)... which might also have been at least partially a regional thing.

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 05:34 PM)

Generally, many native English speakers' primary conception of the German language and its perceived harshness comes from Hollywood movies... created by non-native German speakers, with non-native German actors giving their impression of what they think the German language sounds like...

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 05:33 PM)

I might be severely biased, but as a native German speaker, I think the perception of the "harsh German language" is at least in part due to a myth created by Hollywood.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (24 April 2019 - 05:32 PM)

I wish I knew if that Blue autobot in the background in the movie Bumblebee was Blurr.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 April 2019 - 11:52 AM)

Blood is blue before coming into contact with air from outside.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 April 2019 - 09:50 AM)

I had to use a whole ten percent of my brain to understand that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 April 2019 - 08:32 AM)

I think I saw a debunking of that like at least a decade ago when I still relied on TV for things.

@  Paladin : (24 April 2019 - 08:21 AM)

isn't the whole "lemmings jump to their death" thing proven false now too???

@  Pennpenn : (24 April 2019 - 03:05 AM)

It's like how the whole "alpha male" thing doesn't really show up in wolf packs in the wild.

@  Nevermore : (24 April 2019 - 01:54 AM)

Aaaaand another myth busted.

@  CORVUS : (24 April 2019 - 12:27 AM)

Quite welcome! :)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2019 - 09:51 PM)

@Corvus Huh, did not know that part. Thanks for imparting knowledge!

@  Kayla Kaon : (23 April 2019 - 09:27 PM)

No because it's true.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 April 2019 - 09:17 PM)

Would I be jaded if i said that's a good lesson about people as well?

@  CORVUS : (23 April 2019 - 09:01 PM)

Overstated risk. Most observations of sexual cannibalism in the Praying Mantis occurred in captivity, versus nature. When entomologists began observing them in nature instead, they found that sexual cannibalism took place around 30% of the time. Basically, if a male Mantis avoids thin, hungry females, his chances are pretty good. #yesimanerd

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2019 - 07:52 PM)

Are you a male mantis?

@  MEDdMI : (23 April 2019 - 07:27 PM)

Death by snu snu

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2019 - 06:40 PM)

There's a joke about going out with a bang to be made here.

@  Kayla Kaon : (23 April 2019 - 06:38 PM)

I would hope getting laid is preferred over dying :p

@  Nevermore : (23 April 2019 - 05:20 PM)

Don't we all want to get laid?

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 April 2019 - 04:53 PM)

I'd spend the first few loops just taking an extended nap.

@  Dekafox : (23 April 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Endless death time loops certainly happen enough in Star Trek

@  Kayla Kaon : (23 April 2019 - 03:50 PM)

That's not what I had in mind but if that is what you would do in that scenario then that is pretty messed up. I would not want to be stuck in a perpetual loop of death. More like getting laid but that is just me.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (23 April 2019 - 01:58 PM)

Happy death day to you!

@  Kayla Kaon : (23 April 2019 - 01:45 PM)

.... I would love that. To be stuck in an endless loop where no one remembers what happened... The possibilities :D

@  ZakuConvoy : (23 April 2019 - 01:43 PM)

Are you stuck in a Groundhogs Day situation? Because if you are, you need to tell the rest of us so we can take advantage, too.

@  Kayla Kaon : (23 April 2019 - 11:10 AM)

Lol today needs to end asap so that I can start over tomorrow

@  Ashley : (21 April 2019 - 10:08 PM)

They frequently do, but yeah there's no rule. Google will usually answer it for a specific restaurant, though

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 April 2019 - 02:57 PM)

Depends on the restaurant and the area. There's no universal rule about it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 April 2019 - 02:41 PM)

I thought restaurants were one of the few things that stayed open on holidays, along with movie theatres and the like

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 April 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Well here I am hungry on a Sunday afternoon and I head to Chipotle only to find out right then and there that the place is closed for Easter. Yay.

@  MEDdMI : (19 April 2019 - 09:21 PM)

oof, yikes. Good luck.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 April 2019 - 09:18 PM)

We're in the middle of a kitchen reno and NOTHING will be done until tuesday. I could beat a four day weekend with a hammer right now if it meant I could use my stove again.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

Can't beat 4 day weekends either.


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Walmart getting first dibs? Not allowing preorders for other stores until they got it first?


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#1 Nevermore

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:45 AM

So there's been a rumor floating around at a certain other board, which matches certain bizarre patterns observed at various online retailers and is further corroborated by the former (?) owner of an online store who keeps complaining about how frustrating dealing with Hasbro was.

The classic line of argument when it comes to toy retail is that "Hasbro cannot force retailers to stock toys". So basically, Hasbro produces the toys, solicits them to retailers, and everything from that point on is up to the retailers. Hasbro ships out the toys and has no control of distribution beyond that.


But in the past two or so years, there have been numerous incidents where toys that had been announced by Hasbro wouldn't be listed for preorder by any online retailers for months to come. Any argument that it's all up to retailers goes out of the window when retailers who want to order new toys cannot do so because there are no solicits yet. These toys would then sometimes come out in Asia, might be listed by online retailers based out of Asia, but still, the "major" online retailers like Amazon, BBTS, Entertainment Earth, ToyWiz or TFSource wouldn't put up listings for these figures up until a specific date.

Particularly bizarre variations of this pattern were:
- Online retailers would put up instant "in stock" listings for general retail waves, meaning they had already received shipments of these figures but were not allowed to list them on their public website. So no preorders. And I'm not talking about "wave 1 of a movie line with a street date". I'm talking about stuff like "wave 4/5/6 in a Generations sub-line or an RID assortment".
- Online retailers would collectively put up their preorder listings after those waves had already been found at brick and mortar retail, so any advantage online retailers might have over brick and mortar stores in terms of early availability would be out of the window.

Now, the rumor, corroborated by this former online store owner, is that Walmart had specifically given Hasbro orders that Walmart absolutely has to get first dibs on new Transformers product before anyone else was to be allowed to put up a public listing. And if Walmart has no room for these new toys, then that's too bad because it means the online retailers have to wait in line.

This certainly fits in with the recent news story that Hasbro and Mattel are supporting TRU despite its financial problems because the alternative would be that Walmart and Amazon get to dominate the market even more than they already do.

I know that brick and mortar retail has trouble competing with the (seemingly) endless storage space of online retailers, and I agree that online retailers have several unfair advantages over physical stores, but "you don't get new stuff before we do" can't be the answer either, since that would be an unfair advantage of its own, especially if it's really just one store doing it.

Is any of this grounded in reality? Is it just scuttlebutt? If so, then why do the aforementioned weird-ass preorder policies with instant "in stock" listings and brick and mortar stores getting new toys before Amazon, BBTS or EE can even start taking preorders happen?

Edited by Nevermore, 07 October 2017 - 05:54 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:48 AM

(I am not a lawyer.)

This sounds disturbingly anticompetitive especially for a U.S.-based company, but frankly the more I think about it, the more plausible it seems.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:54 AM

If it really is Walmart specifically behind this, then "[manufacturer] cannot force retailers" still holds true.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:57 AM

If it really is Walmart specifically behind this, then "[manufacturer] cannot force retailers" still holds true.


No, but in that case Hasbro won't let them (i.e. Walmart's competition) do it either. There's a difference between "I can do it if I want but I don't have to" and "I would like to do it but I'm not allowed to".

Edited by Nevermore, 07 October 2017 - 05:58 AM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:41 AM

It would certainly fit with Walmart's ethos.

 

And it's not like Hasbro can really say no for fear of Walmart just refusing to stock Transformers.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:57 AM

*Grumble grumble* Walmart already not stocking new Transformers for the past 4 or 5 months *grumble grumble*.

 

While I can't say anything in regards to Walmart specifically, I do know that Hasbro have been making deals with particular retailers for "first dibs". I heard it through other retailers not getting "dibs" and were subsequently complaining about it. 

 

We probably will see more online stores importing special items (like the Clone two-pack being sold way back in June/July but just now reaching the North America market through official channels) from the Asia and other markets rather than wait for orders from Hasbro US.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:50 AM

I don't know how Hasbro could have any way of knowing Walmart had toys in their retail stores and therefore it was okay to let other people sell them. I don't know how Walmart could have any way of knowing Walmart had toys in their retail stores and therefore they didn't have to get mad that other people were putting them up for sale. Furthermore, I can't imagine Walmart caring enough to pay someone to track dozens of price points/SKUs of product, both in their own stores and on every online store, to make sure no one was selling them first.

 

This doesn't sound like something without a kernel of truth to it, but whatever that truth is ("online retailers have been given on-sale dates for product they already received" is a verifiable fact) this is clearly the Internet Conspiracy Engine version of it.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:11 AM

I doubt it would be relying on any amount of tracking. It'd be more "don't sell this assortment until Walmart has a CHANCE to stock them" and hoping the toys make it to brick and mortar before the online street date.

So creating an extra buffered lead time rather than watching the actual progression of toys getting to stores. Which as you say is kinda impossible logistics.


Edited by NightViper, 07 October 2017 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:18 AM

Yeah, I doubt it's any kind of stock tracking. It's definitely more Walmart has X number of weeks to sell an item before other retailers get to.

I'm pretty sure we saw it in action with TLK Hot Rod. (and not just Walmart backing out of that exclusive deal) Walmart was so incredibly slow to get their own timed exclusive to customers that other retailers started listing it on their websites the same day Walmart actuslly started selling them online.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:26 AM

It is also difficult for me to believe Walmart would make these broad declarations about multiple sizes of TF product because it seems clear they have neither the capability nor the interest to make sure product is on shelves by a certain date, and they don't make most of it available online, so how would they ever think they'd benefit from a capricious "you can't sell this until we've had a chance" unless that date was, like, months later than product starting shipping from Hasbro?

 

I guess you'd have to ask retailers what the greatest time between their reception of stock and clearance to sell it has been - which I doubt anyone is allowed to say.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:04 PM

They could just be throwing their weight around.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:51 PM

Yeah, it has nothing to do with what makes sense.

They do not make sense.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:35 PM

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:40 PM

It would certainly fit with Walmart's ethos.

 

And it's not like Hasbro can really say no for fear of Walmart just refusing to stock Transformers.

 

Are you sure that they aren't doing that now? 

 

 

They have those crappy transforming cars taking up more shelf space than Titan Returns has at my local stores. 


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 04:25 PM

They could just be throwing their weight around.

 

Sounds like that, also its pretty much cooperate greed with the bottomline being how much $$$ they can make.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:35 PM

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.


Walmart has a well documented history of bullying suppliers.

Granted, that's usually for some kind of direct financial benefit that seems absent here but I don't think it's wholly unbelievable either.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 07:44 PM

At least here in Nebraska, someone could switch out Target for Walmart.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:03 PM

 

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.


Walmart has a well documented history of bullying suppliers.

Granted, that's usually for some kind of direct financial benefit that seems absent here but I don't think it's wholly unbelievable either.

 

 

This was my first thought. They regularly strongarm suppliers to obtain lower costs, better deals or exclusive privileges. It's the blessing and the curse for sure.

 

In this case, the financial benefit (if they can get their heads out of their collective arsses and actually distribute something) is they get to earn the earliest sales to the market and theoretically by the time something shows up at a competitor it's a peg-warmer.


 
 
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:10 PM

They are still late to the game with online sales. I could easily see this as an attempt to stab back at every online seller they can.

Then again, that's if it has to make sense. But it doesn't.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 05:16 AM

They are still late to the game with online sales. I could easily see this as an attempt to stab back at every online seller they can.

Then again, that's if it has to make sense. But it doesn't.

When I first came across this rumor, I took it as a butthurt "okay, so we suck when it comes to stocking toys. What can we do to prevent others from beating us to the punch?", i.e. "improving takes real effort and competence, so let's instead artificially force the competition down to our level".

Edited by Nevermore, 08 October 2017 - 05:18 AM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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