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@  wonko the sane? : (22 September 2018 - 01:53 PM)

So apparently some models of air-conditioner are on trays inside the case, so they can be removed for easy access to the internals. I did not know that two hours ago: and have since cleaned three. It's been a learning kind of day.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 September 2018 - 09:15 AM)

There's probably been a Pokedex-themed 3DS cover.

@  Noideaforaname : (21 September 2018 - 04:34 PM)

I still got that Pikachu Edition Gameboy Color from back in the day. Yellow and Blue and with Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Togepi on the screen.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 September 2018 - 04:30 PM)

Quote of the day: I either need bourbon or aspirin, and I'm pretty sure the liquor cabinet is closer than the medicine chest.

@  TM2-Megatron : (21 September 2018 - 02:38 PM)

I don't recall any Pokedex themed DS or Game Boy, but plenty of Pokemon-themed ones. My favourite, and the one I've got myself, was the Pokemon Red/Blue themed 3DS with the swappable faceplates that came out around the time the original games were made available via digital download

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 September 2018 - 02:30 PM)

I'm fairly certain Nintendo has done Pokéball red and white, but I don't know about specific Pokédex colors.

@  Paladin : (21 September 2018 - 11:10 AM)

random thought: has Nintendo ever made a 3DS that looks like a Pokedex? because that seems like a GOLDMINE waiting to happen...

@  Nevermore : (21 September 2018 - 03:23 AM)

Wiigii! Titans Return Grotusque for only 60 Euros (actually 70 but I somehow had an eBay gift card for reasons that escape me) with free shipping from within my own country!

@  Whirl Maximus : (21 September 2018 - 03:02 AM)

That was the plan for Predators too with the Super Predators.

@  Waspinator : (21 September 2018 - 01:46 AM)

So, apparently in the new Predator movie, the Predators don't hunt us for honor or the challenge or anything like that, but because they're stealing human DNA to modify themselves. Congrats Hollywood, on making a monster far less cool and scary.

@  Pennpenn : (20 September 2018 - 08:46 AM)

I only started playing it recently so I don't know what it was like before. Actually surprised they haven't finished the story yet. Then again, unless they introduce another world it's pretty much just Maleficent and whatever the Foretellers are playing at left.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 September 2018 - 08:30 AM)

Geeze.. I reloaded up Kingdom Hearts X for the first time in a long time. That game has massivily inflated from when I played it when it first launced in the US.

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 09:07 AM)

It's an annoying thing to have happen in any game. I'm hoping they actually finish releasing all the story mode parts before 3 comes out.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 06:24 AM)

Ahh. Hadn't played that in a long time.. Since before the PVP I think.

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 04:33 AM)

Kingdom Hearts Union Cross. Specifically the PVP fights.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 September 2018 - 04:31 AM)

What game PennPenn

@  Pennpenn : (19 September 2018 - 03:13 AM)

Man, I love it when you've got limited attempts at something in a game, said game crashes at the end of the thing, so you lose the attempt but don't get any credit.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 08:44 PM)

I know. I'm back to the classic purple for the first time since the comic theme was introduced.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 08:32 PM)

Alright thanks, gonna be weird without the speech bubble boxes but I'll manage.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 September 2018 - 07:59 PM)

Nope, ongoing problem for a bunch of us. The mods know, so... just hunker down and wait. In the mean time: changing themes will sort it out for a bit. Only the comic theme is affected.

@  Fenix Twilight : (18 September 2018 - 05:36 PM)

Is something going on? I'm missing the buttons to go to the newest post and there's no banner for the forum list, it just says "logo" in the corner.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 September 2018 - 06:03 AM)

Leader-1!

@  Whirl Maximus : (18 September 2018 - 02:25 AM)

"huh?" 'chuckle' in every reaction shot. That's all I remember of Armada.

@  Paladin : (16 September 2018 - 07:36 PM)

if youre looking for sympathy its in the dictionary between shit & syphilis.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2018 - 03:10 PM)

Uuuhhhhhh.......

@  Rycochet : (15 September 2018 - 11:56 AM)

Due to it's concentrated lousiness, even small doses of Energon will age you, yes.

@  Lazy Garou : (15 September 2018 - 10:32 AM)

unicron trilogy video was great, but made me feel a hundred years old.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 September 2018 - 07:32 AM)

Awesome. Good job man.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 09:30 PM)

cleaning up, mostly.but the little plastic piece where the power cable hooked up was broken. That I managed to put back together.

@  Patch : (11 September 2018 - 04:48 PM)

So he also has White Castle-like qualities?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 September 2018 - 02:23 PM)

Just keep him away from the plumbing, he's really hard on the pipes.

@  RichardT1977 : (11 September 2018 - 01:22 PM)

Overlord has some castle-like qualities to him

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 12:15 PM)

Fix it, like, found a working power adaptor, or fix it like: there was saudering involved.

@  Lazy Garou : (11 September 2018 - 11:58 AM)

that feeling when you fix something and works like a dream. we now have a working snes in my house and I have tested 10 games on it and they all work.

@  Arazyr : (11 September 2018 - 10:44 AM)

...Now I want a Transformer that turns into a castle.

@  wonko the sane? : (11 September 2018 - 09:37 AM)

You should be careful man, lots of allsparkers life in castle law states. It's a good way to get shot you know.

@  ▲ndrusi : (11 September 2018 - 09:35 AM)

Which house? Mine? Dammit I thought I locked my door!

@  GrungeWerX : (11 September 2018 - 01:20 AM)

GrungeWerX in tha HOUSE!!! WOOT!!

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 September 2018 - 11:54 PM)

There's been consistently good sc-fi flicks; most just fly under the radar as lower-budget or indie pictures

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:28 PM)

If you can forget about that garbage Ghost in the Shell feature...

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 September 2018 - 09:27 PM)

Upgrade is a GREAT dark sci fi throwback film. Kind of feels like the genre has been nailing some good stuff after a LONG time of drek

@  Sabrblade : (10 September 2018 - 06:34 PM)

Hey, Steve is a Vehicon!

@  abates : (10 September 2018 - 04:44 PM)

I thought it was spelled "Stege".

@  Arazyr : (10 September 2018 - 02:10 PM)

So, "I before E, except after Siege"? :D

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 September 2018 - 01:59 PM)

Memorandum to all: the word "siege" is spelled with the "i" before the "e".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (08 September 2018 - 12:55 PM)

Happy birthday to Star Trek and Star Trek: The Animated Series!

@  MEDdMI : (08 September 2018 - 07:55 AM)

*smacks TMM upside the head*

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 September 2018 - 02:51 AM)

& Knuckles.

@  Pennpenn : (07 September 2018 - 11:01 PM)

Re: Coded?

@  Waspinator : (07 September 2018 - 09:14 PM)

Final Fantasy: The Movie: The Game: Pocket Edition HD Boogaloo


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Walmart getting first dibs? Not allowing preorders for other stores until they got it first?


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#1 Nevermore

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:45 AM

So there's been a rumor floating around at a certain other board, which matches certain bizarre patterns observed at various online retailers and is further corroborated by the former (?) owner of an online store who keeps complaining about how frustrating dealing with Hasbro was.

The classic line of argument when it comes to toy retail is that "Hasbro cannot force retailers to stock toys". So basically, Hasbro produces the toys, solicits them to retailers, and everything from that point on is up to the retailers. Hasbro ships out the toys and has no control of distribution beyond that.


But in the past two or so years, there have been numerous incidents where toys that had been announced by Hasbro wouldn't be listed for preorder by any online retailers for months to come. Any argument that it's all up to retailers goes out of the window when retailers who want to order new toys cannot do so because there are no solicits yet. These toys would then sometimes come out in Asia, might be listed by online retailers based out of Asia, but still, the "major" online retailers like Amazon, BBTS, Entertainment Earth, ToyWiz or TFSource wouldn't put up listings for these figures up until a specific date.

Particularly bizarre variations of this pattern were:
- Online retailers would put up instant "in stock" listings for general retail waves, meaning they had already received shipments of these figures but were not allowed to list them on their public website. So no preorders. And I'm not talking about "wave 1 of a movie line with a street date". I'm talking about stuff like "wave 4/5/6 in a Generations sub-line or an RID assortment".
- Online retailers would collectively put up their preorder listings after those waves had already been found at brick and mortar retail, so any advantage online retailers might have over brick and mortar stores in terms of early availability would be out of the window.

Now, the rumor, corroborated by this former online store owner, is that Walmart had specifically given Hasbro orders that Walmart absolutely has to get first dibs on new Transformers product before anyone else was to be allowed to put up a public listing. And if Walmart has no room for these new toys, then that's too bad because it means the online retailers have to wait in line.

This certainly fits in with the recent news story that Hasbro and Mattel are supporting TRU despite its financial problems because the alternative would be that Walmart and Amazon get to dominate the market even more than they already do.

I know that brick and mortar retail has trouble competing with the (seemingly) endless storage space of online retailers, and I agree that online retailers have several unfair advantages over physical stores, but "you don't get new stuff before we do" can't be the answer either, since that would be an unfair advantage of its own, especially if it's really just one store doing it.

Is any of this grounded in reality? Is it just scuttlebutt? If so, then why do the aforementioned weird-ass preorder policies with instant "in stock" listings and brick and mortar stores getting new toys before Amazon, BBTS or EE can even start taking preorders happen?

Edited by Nevermore, 07 October 2017 - 05:54 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:48 AM

(I am not a lawyer.)

This sounds disturbingly anticompetitive especially for a U.S.-based company, but frankly the more I think about it, the more plausible it seems.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:54 AM

If it really is Walmart specifically behind this, then "[manufacturer] cannot force retailers" still holds true.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:57 AM

If it really is Walmart specifically behind this, then "[manufacturer] cannot force retailers" still holds true.


No, but in that case Hasbro won't let them (i.e. Walmart's competition) do it either. There's a difference between "I can do it if I want but I don't have to" and "I would like to do it but I'm not allowed to".

Edited by Nevermore, 07 October 2017 - 05:58 AM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:41 AM

It would certainly fit with Walmart's ethos.

 

And it's not like Hasbro can really say no for fear of Walmart just refusing to stock Transformers.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:57 AM

*Grumble grumble* Walmart already not stocking new Transformers for the past 4 or 5 months *grumble grumble*.

 

While I can't say anything in regards to Walmart specifically, I do know that Hasbro have been making deals with particular retailers for "first dibs". I heard it through other retailers not getting "dibs" and were subsequently complaining about it. 

 

We probably will see more online stores importing special items (like the Clone two-pack being sold way back in June/July but just now reaching the North America market through official channels) from the Asia and other markets rather than wait for orders from Hasbro US.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:50 AM

I don't know how Hasbro could have any way of knowing Walmart had toys in their retail stores and therefore it was okay to let other people sell them. I don't know how Walmart could have any way of knowing Walmart had toys in their retail stores and therefore they didn't have to get mad that other people were putting them up for sale. Furthermore, I can't imagine Walmart caring enough to pay someone to track dozens of price points/SKUs of product, both in their own stores and on every online store, to make sure no one was selling them first.

 

This doesn't sound like something without a kernel of truth to it, but whatever that truth is ("online retailers have been given on-sale dates for product they already received" is a verifiable fact) this is clearly the Internet Conspiracy Engine version of it.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:11 AM

I doubt it would be relying on any amount of tracking. It'd be more "don't sell this assortment until Walmart has a CHANCE to stock them" and hoping the toys make it to brick and mortar before the online street date.

So creating an extra buffered lead time rather than watching the actual progression of toys getting to stores. Which as you say is kinda impossible logistics.


Edited by NightViper, 07 October 2017 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 09:18 AM

Yeah, I doubt it's any kind of stock tracking. It's definitely more Walmart has X number of weeks to sell an item before other retailers get to.

I'm pretty sure we saw it in action with TLK Hot Rod. (and not just Walmart backing out of that exclusive deal) Walmart was so incredibly slow to get their own timed exclusive to customers that other retailers started listing it on their websites the same day Walmart actuslly started selling them online.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:26 AM

It is also difficult for me to believe Walmart would make these broad declarations about multiple sizes of TF product because it seems clear they have neither the capability nor the interest to make sure product is on shelves by a certain date, and they don't make most of it available online, so how would they ever think they'd benefit from a capricious "you can't sell this until we've had a chance" unless that date was, like, months later than product starting shipping from Hasbro?

 

I guess you'd have to ask retailers what the greatest time between their reception of stock and clearance to sell it has been - which I doubt anyone is allowed to say.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:04 PM

They could just be throwing their weight around.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 01:51 PM

Yeah, it has nothing to do with what makes sense.

They do not make sense.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:35 PM

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.



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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:40 PM

It would certainly fit with Walmart's ethos.

 

And it's not like Hasbro can really say no for fear of Walmart just refusing to stock Transformers.

 

Are you sure that they aren't doing that now? 

 

 

They have those crappy transforming cars taking up more shelf space than Titan Returns has at my local stores. 


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 04:25 PM

They could just be throwing their weight around.

 

Sounds like that, also its pretty much cooperate greed with the bottomline being how much $$$ they can make.


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:35 PM

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.


Walmart has a well documented history of bullying suppliers.

Granted, that's usually for some kind of direct financial benefit that seems absent here but I don't think it's wholly unbelievable either.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 07:44 PM

At least here in Nebraska, someone could switch out Target for Walmart.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:03 PM

 

I guess if your belief in whether someone is doing something doesn't have to make sense, it's difficult to construct an argument against.


Walmart has a well documented history of bullying suppliers.

Granted, that's usually for some kind of direct financial benefit that seems absent here but I don't think it's wholly unbelievable either.

 

 

This was my first thought. They regularly strongarm suppliers to obtain lower costs, better deals or exclusive privileges. It's the blessing and the curse for sure.

 

In this case, the financial benefit (if they can get their heads out of their collective arsses and actually distribute something) is they get to earn the earliest sales to the market and theoretically by the time something shows up at a competitor it's a peg-warmer.


 
 
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:10 PM

They are still late to the game with online sales. I could easily see this as an attempt to stab back at every online seller they can.

Then again, that's if it has to make sense. But it doesn't.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 05:16 AM

They are still late to the game with online sales. I could easily see this as an attempt to stab back at every online seller they can.

Then again, that's if it has to make sense. But it doesn't.

When I first came across this rumor, I took it as a butthurt "okay, so we suck when it comes to stocking toys. What can we do to prevent others from beating us to the punch?", i.e. "improving takes real effort and competence, so let's instead artificially force the competition down to our level".

Edited by Nevermore, 08 October 2017 - 05:18 AM.

"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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