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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#21 Sabrblade

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:42 PM

Still, whoever first came up with the idea of the Thirteen (3H, Fun Pub, Hasbro, Simon Furman on his own in the john), 

It was Furman. He confirmed at BotCon 2012 that the idea of the Thirteen was something he came up with.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:49 PM

 

 

- Universal streams: Love 'em or hate 'em, the universal stream system has helped define and categorize the Transformers multiverse. And with its use in Alternity material, the idea has spread beyond Fun Publications and the Wiki.

 

And makes the Wikia completely unreadable to pretty much anyone that might need to read a Wiki.

 

 

Can't say I'm not a bit proud of that.

 

 

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:50 PM

BC99 Windrazor and his SPAAAARRRK EXTINGUISHER made it into a mass retail video game.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:18 AM

Greenlight and Lancer have shown up in IDW, I know they first appeared in the cartoon but they were named by the club no?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

Greenlight and Lancer have shown up in IDW, I know they first appeared in the cartoon but they were named by the club no?


That is indeed the case.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:32 AM

Greenlight inspired by the obvious. Lancer came from "Atlanta" since the plot was, in the very broadest way, inspired by Jason and the Argonauts.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 12:08 PM

I wanna point out that the initial 5-year arc of Club comics that delved into the 13 and etc came from Forrest Lee, who was from Hasbro, not a fan brought in by FP. Which muddies those waters a shade.
 
Roulette is in the IDW comics and not dead! And a female Shadow Striker did pop up in the Revenge of the Fallen toyline.
 
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This would be incorrect. I approached Simon Furman about using one of the 13, and he said ok. I took my idea to Forest Lee, the center robot being one of the 13 with 4 drone like parts. He reworked the idea in to the combined mode being Nexus Prime and being split in to 5 components. Forest and I talked about that on one of the Club Magazine panels at BotCon.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 04:47 PM

There was a drink called the "Grand Uprising" in one of the recent OP issues.

I hate these gags
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 04:54 PM

Thank you for your contribution.



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Posted 17 September 2017 - 05:22 PM

There was a drink called the "Grand Uprising" in one of the recent OP issues.

I hate these gags


Care to elaborate?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 05:59 PM

Nope!
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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:09 PM

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:19 PM

There's a Grand Uprising in my pants.



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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:06 PM

Hey Spacewarp, I can't believe I forgot until now to mention your Ask Vector Prime post about transgender Transformers. It served as a testbed for Rachel Stevens when she helped James Roberts with Lost Light #8's explanation of transgender Cybertronian Transformers.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:06 PM

Well what do you know?

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:20 PM

Haha, really? Crazy. Also, those flames are perfect. That is exactly what an evil Hot Rod would think was badass.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 03:30 AM

The smaller robot's name is now Hot Topic.



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:53 AM

Among less popular media:

 

Shokaract debuted as the villain of the 3H Club storyline "Reaching the Omega Point" and later became the main villain of the IDW's retail The Ascending series.

 

An Animated-style Autotrooper and Dug Base made cameos in Deviations.



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:59 AM

An Animated-style Autotrooper and Dug Base made cameos in Deviations.


How is that a fan club thing?

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 10:05 AM

 

An Animated-style Autotrooper and Dug Base made cameos in Deviations.


How is that a fan club thing?

 

Oops, I thought the Animated incarnations of the Autotrooper and Dug Base debuted in the BotCon 2010 materials.





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