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@  Dekafox : (19 February 2020 - 06:14 PM)

Count Zero?

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 February 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Oh boy, here we go.

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:34 PM)

Or do Japan's cultural values vary depending on exactly who you're trying to shut down?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:33 PM)

Could it be that, perhaps, these different cultural values might lead to a different approach seeming appropriate?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Hm. Back when we were arguing about the Legends comic, I seem to recall being repeatedly told that Japan had different cultural values than the US (and therefore anyone who had a problem with anything at all was wrong to voice that opinion ever).

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:23 AM)

Plus, as much as I hate to admit it, every single anime character is built to suit the audience's tastes so they buy more merch/do other things that allow $$$ to flow in the production committees direction, so the authenticity is certainly not for representation's sake.

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Both those anime air at midnight and are aimed at a very specific audience in a whole other media landscape. Major projects have press releases about almost everything, and there are groups just waiting to pat anybody on the back for doing what they want (GLAAD, HRC, etc)

@  B-Fox : (19 February 2020 - 03:16 AM)

It's funny that a friggin' anime about zombie idols and an anime about a school of anthropomorphic animals can have really positive trans characters WITHOUT a press release about their inclusion in the series prior to the episodes airing or having the creators announcing it on social media and patting themselves on the back for doing a thing.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2020 - 10:26 PM)

Vegan meat needs bacon

@  Paladin : (18 February 2020 - 08:43 PM)

vegan meat must taste delicious. they're grass-fed and regularly exercised....

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Vegans are better than kids if you don't talk to them. They'll keep the lawn trimmed anyway.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Do you want vegans? Because that's how you get vegans.

@  CORVUS : (18 February 2020 - 04:33 PM)

Hook up your sprinkler system to a canister of healthy organic carrot-juice. The kids won't be able to get off your lawn fast enough.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 03:59 PM)

Just use the hose.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 03:52 PM)

Ask bing. It'll be a FAR more effective answer.

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Google, how do I get those durned kids off my lawn?

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Please ignore.  Old man here apparently doesn't know the difference between the "Search" field and the "Shoutbox" field.

 

Also doesn't know how to delete from the shoutbox

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)

Hey

@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)

MORE POINTS FOR BLITZWING!

@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.


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#1 Xaaron

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:30 PM

With the recent passing of the official Collector's Club and BotCon conventions, I wanted to take some time and acknowledge how those "official fan groups" affected the brand as a whole. Whether we're talking BotCon, 3H, or Fun Pub, what are some characters, body designs, or ideas that originated in the conventions or fan media that ended up being used elsewhere? Here's what I can think of initially...

 

- Universal streams: Love 'em or hate 'em, the universal stream system has helped define and categorize the Transformers multiverse. And with its use in Alternity material, the idea has spread beyond Fun Publications and the Wiki.

 

- Nexus Prime: Chicken or the egg? The Thirteen in general is one of those concepts that evolved through both the fan clubs AND traditional media. The idea of Thirteen original Transformers may have been sparked by Simon Furman with 3H's Covenant stories, but officially written down in the mass-media The Ultimate Guide. Then Fun Pub expanded the idea with their magazine, but certainly only with Hasbro's approval.

 

Still, whoever first came up with the idea of the Thirteen (3H, Fun Pub, Hasbro, Simon Furman on his own in the john), Nexus Prime was certainly defined by the first five years of Fun Publications magazine as the original Combiner. Their presentation of him obviously influenced the Aligned representations of him in the Covenant of Primus, prose novels, and even the IDW version.

 

- Shokaract and Antagony: Created for BotCon during the 3H years, these two Beast Wars recolors were used in IDW's Beast Wars comics. Antagony has also reappeared in the main IDW continuity as a supporting player in the Hasbroverse's First Strike crossover.

 

- Roulette and Red Wing: Adapted into IDW comics continuity.

 

- Windrazor: Hidden character in the Beast Wars: Transmetals N64 game.

 

- Alpha Trion: Lion and spaceship alternate modes introduced by 3H and Fun Pub, respectively.

 

- Shattered Glass Masterpiece Optimus Prime

 

- Rapido: is Spanish!

 

- Cyberverse Flamewar

 

- Hero Mashers Heatwave

 

- Ferak: BotCon design used in IDW comics

 

- Animated Flareup, Glyph, and Tap-Out

 

Other additions?


Edited by Xaaron, 14 September 2017 - 07:03 PM.


#2 Locoman

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:38 PM

There was a drink called the "Grand Uprising" in one of the recent OP issues.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:38 PM

3H's OTFCC Roulette migrated into the IDW G1 continuity, as did FP's Red Wing.

Shattered Glass as a concept went somewhat more mainstream with a namesake event in the Legends mobile game.

3H first conceptualized G1 Alpha Trion with a lion alt-mode in their Beast Era continuity, followed by FP doing SG Alpha Trion with a spaceship alt-mode.

Two English names from Ask Vector Prime Facebook for characters in the Chinese Transformers Online MMO made it into IDW's Shining Armor.

And this probably falls more under first to be done than influencing other creators, but 3H was the first to depict the RiD Commandos as affiliates of Unicron, and FP was the first to depict G1-based incarnations of RiD Sky-Byte and Armada Tidal Wave.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:39 PM

Hasbro Asia released Shattered Glass MP Prime.

 

While it's not something I expect to continue, it marks the first time a branded SG toy was released without FunPub's involvement.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:39 PM

I wanna point out that the initial 5-year arc of Club comics that delved into the 13 and etc came from Forrest Lee, who was from Hasbro, not a fan brought in by FP. Which muddies those waters a shade.

 

Roulette is in the IDW comics and not dead! And a female Shadow Striker did pop up in the Revenge of the Fallen toyline.

 

Rapido's Spanish heritage returned in United EX.

 

 

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 02:49 PM

Flamewar also got a toy in the Prime Cyberverse line.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:14 PM

Hero Masher Heatwave.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:15 PM

In that vein, Universe Skywarp (BM Jetstorm recolor) first appeared in the 3H comics.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:29 PM

In that vein, Universe Skywarp (BM Jetstorm recolor) first appeared in the 3H comics.

 

As memory serves, there was a few items in that first Universe line came from Glen. Like, not "he put in a comic first then Hasbro made it" but "Glen proposed it specifically for the toyline and Hasbro made it"

 

 

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:36 PM

 

In that vein, Universe Skywarp (BM Jetstorm recolor) first appeared in the 3H comics.

 

As memory serves, there was a few items in that first Universe line came from Glen. Like, not "he put in a comic first then Hasbro made it" but "Glen proposed it specifically for the toyline and Hasbro made it"

 

 

M "Another Weird... Moosh Of Con/Hasbro Sourcing" Sipher

 

Interesting, if true, but didn't it take about three years for the Skywarp toy to finally come out?  My notes say he appeared in their comic in 2001, and the toy came out in 2004.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:39 PM

I don't have the relevant dialogue to show right now, but I swear that Earth Wars has acknowledged the Shroud's presence on the multiverse.

Sideswipe appeared in his G2-style BotCon 2010 toy design in The Death of Optimus Prime from IDW. And Ferak appeared in his BotCon 2014 toy design in the 2017 Transformers annual IDW.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:42 PM

I don't have the relevant dialogue to show right now, but I swear that Earth Wars has acknowledged the Shroud's presence on the multiverse.

Sideswipe appeared in his G2-style BotCon 2010 toy design in The Death of Optimus Prime from IDW. And Ferak appeared in his BotCon 2014 toy design in the 2017 Transformers annual IDW.

Hrmm?

 

Do you at least have a quote on the Shroud thing?



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 03:46 PM

Animated Flareup.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

Speaking of which, Prime Flamewar!


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:31 PM

Animated had quite a few. Glyph comes to mind.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:51 PM

Tap-Out as well

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:07 PM

Onyx Prime.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:18 PM

 

- Universal streams: Love 'em or hate 'em, the universal stream system has helped define and categorize the Transformers multiverse. And with its use in Alternity material, the idea has spread beyond Fun Publications and the Wiki.

 

And makes the Wikia completely unreadable to pretty much anyone that might need to read a Wiki.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:27 PM

The name "Quickslinger" being applied to Transformers.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:35 PM

I liked the TFCC Quickslinger, I gave it and Skorponok/Scamper both to Trypticon.  For a while, I only knew 'Wreckers' though Botcon and FunPub stuff, I had no knowledge of it elsewhere until quite a bit later.  I don't know if they re-popularized it, though.





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