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@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.


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#261 Fear or Courage

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 09:05 AM

Yeah, I ain't a hater. These fill a purpose, and they fill it well. They're just not up my alley. Kids and some collectors will dig'em, though, and that's cool.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:26 AM

Authentics listed at Amazon, hi-res stock photos:
Optimus Prime
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Bumblebee
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Starscream
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"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:42 PM

The treads on Megatron-the-toy's torso make him a more interesting design than the actual packaging art.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:10 PM

The fake windshield chests on these Autobots lead to wasted paint apps.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

Now that you bring it up, they actually have a surprising number of paint ops for what they're supposed to be, don't they?

 

Megatron has, like, ten assuming both eyes are painted, plus a Decepticon tampo - I guess it's possible the eyes and red stomach greeblies are one op each, since they're all one color on one side of one piece of plastic. (I've never quiiiiiiite been able to determine exactly how much flexibility you have with that.) Bumblebee's got a grille and headlights. That's not bad.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:35 PM

Megatron looks the best too me, he's got a pretty decent looking robot mode, and an alt mod that's not completely horrendous. Starscream is next down, as its still a really good robot mode but that Jet mode somehow manages to be worse then POTP, where at least that had the excuse of trying to do so many things, this doesn't have an excuse for being literal robot laying down. Its the worst of the alt modes. Optimus is third since the robot mode is nice, but the truck just feels under detailed.

 

Bumblebee... is easily the worst of the line as it feels like he's from the Cybertron's Legends line, being on par with that Hot Shot. It really stands out when everyone else has is kinda feel closer to modern legends toys and bumblebee only has what seems to only have what articulation is required for transformation. It wouldn't be out of place if everyone had limited articulation, but only Optimus is lacking elbows while still having an otherwise full range of movement like the Decepticons. He just feels like he's from some other toyline line shoved in here. 


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:27 PM

I like Bumblebee more than Optimus because, while Bee doesn't have any leg articulation, both of his modes look pretty good. Both of Optimus' modes look pretty shitty.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:49 PM

Starscream and Megatron look pretty good (since they both have elbow and knee joints) but Starscream's jet mode looks like a McDonalds toy, it kinda puts me off it, but on the other hand their size next to a Legend means Megatron (and the others) will be larger then them which I like.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:13 PM

On the one hand, that Starscream's jet mode is like someone looked at POTP Starscream and said "Oh, so you quarter-assed that jet mode? Well, let me show you what one-eighth-assing a jet mode looks like!"

 

On the other hand it doesn't seem to have a fake cockpit chest.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:28 PM

Fans: Oh go, POTP Starscream is just awful, no way they could made a worse jet then that!

 

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:41 PM

Due credit, he does have a better robot mode.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:19 AM

I'd say

Prime
Robot Mode- C for looking decent but being lacking articulation.
Truck Mode - D for looking pretty terrible in the leg department.
Overall - C-

Bumblebee
Robot Mode - C for looking decent but looking like it's even less poseable than Prime.
Car Mode - B- The missing side windows are weird but not terrible and the rest is fine.
OverAll - C+

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Robot Mode - B+
Tank Mode - B+ Looks good in both modes and poseable this one is the clear winner of these.
Overall - B+

Starscream
Robot Mode - B+ Looks good and surprising poseable
Jet Mode - D possibly D- That's like a 3 year olds drawing of a jet. It's bad. I find it really hard to believe they couldn't have got a better sculpted/proportioned jet out of the same bot mode with the same number of parts. It feels like an execution issue rather than a technical one and a bad one at that.
Overall - C-

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:42 AM

Jet Mode - D possibly D- That's like a 3 year olds drawing of a jet. It's bad. I find it really hard to believe they couldn't have got a better sculpted/proportioned jet out of the same bot mode with the same number of parts. It feels like an execution issue rather than a technical one and a bad one at that.

Can't help thinking they could have made a start by using the same hollow, collapsing legs as Megatron and Optimus and extending the fuselage up behind his neck a bit. Maybe he'd end up with big joints for earwarmers, but it could have shortened the back and lengthened the front of the plane enough not to look like it was meant as a joke. And making those armatures for the arms longer seems relatively easy.

 

Some strange choices, but then ... for a line like this, I just don't expect a top engineering game. They have an absurdly thin budget to work with and very high durability and simplicity requirements, and you know, this whole "convincingly change from a robot to a vehicle" thing is like a third or fourth tier priority at best. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 05:44 AM

The Starscream jet mode gives me enough Pretender Starscream vibes, I'm almost tempted by it's dorkiness.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 06:12 AM

It's very weird that Prime and Starscream have their vehicle modes sculpted based on MP-10 and the Combiner Wars Leader respectively, rather than their evergreen designs' vehicle modes...

Can anyone peg Megatron and Bee's vehicles as specific toys?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:00 AM

Bumblebee is the TR down to the strange panel line choices but with not-G1 proportions. Megatron I don't see anything similar.
Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:05 AM

It's very weird that Prime and Starscream have their vehicle modes sculpted based on MP-10 and the Combiner Wars Leader respectively, rather than their evergreen designs' vehicle modes...

Can anyone peg Megatron and Bee's vehicles as specific toys?

Megatron's looks a lot like the Legends scale one that was retooled into Warpath.

 

Bumblebee looks like the Legion (?) / Legend (?) sized one that came out in Universe and was redecoed into Gold Bumblebee and Henkei Cliffjumper.


At least that's what they remind me a lot of.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:12 AM

Those are similar figures with similar transformations and alt modes, but the detailing doesn't match up. Where Optimus and Bumblebee's alt modes (and only alt modes) match MP-10 and TR Bee only in the detailing, but it's very specific details that don't show up on any other toy rather fastidiously remapped into these. And Megatron unfortunately doesn't match the Legends in the shape of the cannon, tread area armor, hatches, etc. (naturally ignoring necessities like the feet.)
Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:47 AM

Ah yeah, that's definitely TR Bee, I somehow didn't think to check that one.

I checked the immediately obvious Megatrons - T30 Legends and CW Leader - but neither of those is a match.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:46 AM

Maybe ROTF Bludgeon, who was used to make the GDO and Cloud Megatrons?


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