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@  Bass X0 : (16 July 2020 - 09:43 AM)

Circuit-breaker '84, this is Megatron's rubber duck. We've got ourselves a Rodimus Convoy. Do you copy? Over.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 07:06 AM)

I'm not going to sit here and bicker with you. I've made my point very clear and have nothing more to say on the issue.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 07:00 AM)

I can't do anything to prevent hurricanes either but it'd be absurd to suggest I therefore shouldn't talk about them.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:57 AM)

Basically neither you nor I even like South Park anyways so the best you can do is leave it alone rather than suggest it is corrupting hearts and minds.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

In that case I'm... not sure what the point is?

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:53 AM)

Nobody should be taking their morals from South Park. You can't prevent people from doing it. It's an artistic work with fans. I don't think I'm off-track.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:51 AM)

As far as I can tell you just of course'd the thing you were poopooing...

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

Also, this is starting to get a bit too serious for the shoutbox (though it already was)

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

"It's that they're internalizing the overall attitude that the writers display through the show's writing." Of course, that's South Park's "artistic" style. It's what South Park's audience wants, and that's okay.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

You can probably finish the sentence "I got 50% of my sense of humor from" with the name of some fictional work.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

And it still wouldn't be S.W.A.T.'ss or Grey's Anatomy's or South Park's fault.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

The idea isn't that people are taking South Park's in-universe parody moral lessons seriously (though as Nevermore points out, you can't safely assume that isn't also happening). It's that they're internalizing the overall attitude that the writers display through the show's writing.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

"People say" those people are right, and you should listen to them. We can't protect people from themselves, but you can advise them well.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:27 AM)

So many medical disasters because someone took what they saw on a hospital show at face value.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:25 AM)

So many people who think police and court procedure works like it does in Hollywood, and act accordingly. Sometimes to their own disadvantage, sometimes just to the frustration of well-meaning authorities.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:24 AM)

People say "you shouldn't take your morals from a TV show" all the time, but regardless of how these people want things to work doesn't mean other people aren't doing it anyways.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:01 AM)

And I mean, if you're looking for a 1950s conservative position on something, it's certainly that a TV show is rotting children's minds.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:00 AM)

Conservatives are not hiding under the bed waiting to ruin... uh... Family Guy of all things? And like, nobody should be taking their morals from South Park. Expecting such things is impractical.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

It was just the cartoon with those foul mouthed kids in the UK until that bubble burst after the movie. Reviewers joked the movies target audience would be unable to see it for the rating.

@  Paladin : (15 July 2020 - 05:14 PM)

see also: "South Park." the show that poisoned a generation by teaching them "it's stupid to feel for other people."

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:04 AM)

'Take that! People who care about things!'

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:02 AM)

With Brian, he stopped being the voice of reason and started to be the right wing notion of a liberal, someone who's lazy, pretentious, doesn't work at anything, is every bit as abusive as the rest of the cast and only wins arguments with strawmen.

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

Of course, I stopped enjoying Family Guy around that time, so my bias is clear. XP

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:54 AM)

Is it because they changed or we changed?  Stuff that was charming, or at least, funny at first can get really annoying the longer you know a person... and I find that can go for fictional characters as well.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

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@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:45 AM)

One example is Family Guy where around season 8 Brian is suddenly reviled by everyone and has acted way out of character since.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:44 AM)

My least favorite thing in fiction is when it changes hands so you get a author, writer or showrunner who hates a character or messes with a arc/layout.

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

You'll shoot yer eye out, kid.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I shot the sheriff.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:24 PM)

han wasn't even in the movie until later

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:23 PM)

the stormtroopers shot first

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 03:33 PM)

Maclunkey

@  Paladin : (14 July 2020 - 06:18 AM)

the correct answwer to "who shot first" will always be "Harrison Ford if he ever hears that hugging question again."

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH


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#61 Ryougabot

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 12:04 PM

 

The content creators got sophisticated enough to distribute themselves.


Uh, no...? I mean, publishing and distribution of home video copies or whatever are by media conglomerates rather than the animation studios themselves.

 

exactly, HG tried to do both, and the other animation companies know WHO knows how to distribute better.


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 12:44 PM

I just want to know if this will help or hurt the chance of getting a good Legioss toy.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 08:50 AM

I just want to know if this will help or hurt the chance of getting a good Legioss toy.

This will help so much.  Tatsunoko can direct market to the US


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Posted 07 September 2017 - 06:14 AM

HG has never been a creator...just a "right place at the right time" company.  When going up against actual content creators, it was just a matter of time before they would get squashed.  The content creators got sophisticated enough to distribute themselves.


HG was a creator once. Carl Macek and the Jacks McKinney did solid work, even if it's not the kind of thing you'd do today. But the last of them quit over 20 years ago.

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 11:02 PM

LBD, the story on this was that Speed Racer Enterprises' contact with Tatsunoko concerning Mach Go Go Go expired in May 2011, which means they had a right to sue DiC for Speed Racer X.  However, SRE continued to distribute the license after that, giving sub-licenses to other companies like Lions Gate and Toonz Entertainment.  The next year, the two companies settled, resulting in Tatsunoko getting full rights back and putting it on lockdown. Even Allegory was frustrated that they made new comics after the license expired (which caused the cancellation of the Circle of Vengance series).



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 12:59 PM

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.

It's part of the larger history with Harmony Gold. 
 
If they even think that someone is infringing on their intellectual property, they send out the lawyers. 
 
It's straight-up fatigue at this point. 

Isnt that how most companies operate?

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 12:59 PM

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.

It's part of the larger history with Harmony Gold. 
 
If they even think that someone is infringing on their intellectual property, they send out the lawyers. 
 
It's straight-up fatigue at this point. 

Isnt that how most companies operate?

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 03:28 PM


Not to the aggressively stupid level and unfocused bredth, not to mention the frequently unsupportable cases that HG tries to go for.

-ZacWilliam, trust us, we know normal and reasonable in these cases, HG is generally neither and then combines that with a number of other seperate fan-alienating flaws.
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 10:47 PM

 

It's part of the larger history with Harmony Gold. 

 
If they even think that someone is infringing on their intellectual property, they send out the lawyers. 
 
It's straight-up fatigue at this point. 

Isnt that how most companies operate?

 

Not to the aggressively stupid level and unfocused bredth, not to mention the frequently unsupportable cases that HG tries to go for.

-ZacWilliam, trust us, we know normal and reasonable in these cases, HG is generally neither and then combines that with a number of other seperate fan-alienating flaws.

 

Yup, Harmony Gold has a legendary record of bad PR with the Macross fandom. Think I exaggerate? Talk to any Macross discussion space and you will get the same answer.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:22 AM

Wonder Woman Writer to Team With IT Director for Robotech Movie http://www.ign.com/a...robotech-movie?

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:11 PM

Harmony Gold might have already lost what they had of Macross:

https://www.reddit.c...us_licence_for/

https://www.reddit.c...ce_for/dn0aoot/

 

I hope it's true, HG have acted truly appallingly with regards the Macross franchise since 2000, when they renewed their copyright to Macross and started issuing takedown notices to stores selling Macross toys.

 

They were pretty dormant up to then, which is why domestic releases of Macross II and Plus managed to get through during that time (7 was skipped due to the costs to license all the songs in the series).

 

In fact, this year marks the 20th anniversary of the final Macross production officially released in the U.S. in the form of Macross Plus: The Movie. It's amazing to think that, regardless of the end product, 2002's Macross Zero, featuring one of the series' most popular characters in a prequel story, was almost tailor-made to be released as an R1 release, yet no one could ever touch it due to HG, and even that was 15 years ago.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

The video linked in the first article merely said that the rights could be revoked in 2021, which is the same info, as in the original post of this thread.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:56 PM

There's a Battletech group I'm on where this is being talked about. 

 

The decision in question appears to be some sort of bit about legal fees and other fees owed between HG and Tatsunoko, so it's not actually anything yet. 

 

But we can hope it's a first start. 

 

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As more material comes out people are discussing it further. I imagine that in a few hours folks will have the details all teased out. 


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:32 AM

Hasbro should celebrate that year by releasing "Pirate Strike Jetfire," a yellow, black and white redeco of T30 Leader Jetfire

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 06:23 AM

Oh wow can this really be happening?!



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:25 PM

Hasbro should celebrate that year by releasing "Pirate Strike Jetfire," a yellow, black and white redeco of T30 Leader Jetfire

 

That would be twisted and evil and I'm all for it.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:59 PM

Hasbro should celebrate that year by releasing "Pirate Strike Jetfire," a yellow, black and white redeco of T30 Leader Jetfire


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 05:55 PM

Hasbro should celebrate that year by releasing "Pirate Strike Jetfire," a yellow, black and white redeco of T30 Leader Jetfire

The "Skull Squadron" markings are ripped from the actual United States Navy's Jolly Roger Squadron, so Hasbro could have done Jolly Roger Squadron markings any time before now and HG couldn't have done a blessed thing about it. 



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 08:23 PM

 

Hasbro should celebrate that year by releasing "Pirate Strike Jetfire," a yellow, black and white redeco of T30 Leader Jetfire

The "Skull Squadron" markings are ripped from the actual United States Navy's Jolly Roger Squadron, so Hasbro could have done Jolly Roger Squadron markings any time before now and HG couldn't have done a blessed thing about it.

HG has never let a lack of any actual grounds or chance of success stop them from suing someone.

 

Also, looking at the Wikipedia page for the real squadron you're talking about, they only switched to F-14s the year after Macross premiered, and their markings on older planes don't look all that close to Skull Squadron's.



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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:10 AM

If anybody owns the Jolly Roger it's hugging pirates


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