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@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor


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#21 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:47 AM

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.


Well, that particular Jetfire was just a G.I. Joe aircraft in Jetfire's color scheme, which didn't come from Macross.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:15 AM

Didn't they also demand that every copy of the toy be mailed to them or something?



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:29 AM

Didn't HG once try to stop one of the people who worked on Macross from selling copies of his own art at a convention or am I misremembering it with some other legal hugery they did?


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:48 AM

The anime community acknowledged that HG was one of the grandfathers of anime in America, but HG/Streamline were elevated to the status of vampires/boogeymen of the creative community, and eventually became a (not very funny) joke.  There was even a time when, if you criticised a title, someone would, reflexively, yell, "Quiet, HG will sue you over that!"


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 09:59 AM

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.

The results of everything that's actually went to court (or been dismissed, like the Jetfire case) show that the rights they have aren't as exclusive or extensive as they think they are.

 

I'd say the Jetfire case was more like if Mattel released a Hot Wheels car that was a (not yellow) Lamborghini with extra parts on top, and if Hasbro sued over that.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:01 PM

 

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.


Well, that particular Jetfire was just a G.I. Joe aircraft in Jetfire's color scheme, which didn't come from Macross.

 

 

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:03 PM

あれはバルキリーじゃない。ジェットファイヤーだ!


"That's no Valkyrie. It's Jetfire!"

...?

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:18 PM

 

あれはバルキリーじゃない。ジェットファイヤーだ!


"That's no Valkyrie. It's Jetfire!"

...?

 

 

I was trying to retort to D Buster Prime that calling the 2013 Jetfire toy a Valkyrie was nonsense.



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Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:58 PM

Didn't they also demand that every copy of the toy be mailed to them or something?

 

they did

 

http://www.animenews...?ann-edition=uk

 

 

 

for Hasbro to deliver all toys or other products in their possession that violate the copyright; for Hasbro to be required to recall the toys from "any person or entity known to them who purchased or received" copies of the infringing products

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:48 PM

I don't understand all the hate for Harmony Gold regarding Jetfire. They paid for the exclusive rights to something, and fought to maintain it.

Hasbro would do the same thing if Mattel released action figures that looked like Optimus Prime.

It's just a part of the system/game.

The results of everything that's actually went to court (or been dismissed, like the Jetfire case) show that the rights they have aren't as exclusive or extensive as they think they are.
 
I'd say the Jetfire case was more like if Mattel released a Hot Wheels car that was a (not yellow) Lamborghini with extra parts on top, and if Hasbro sued over that.

Except Mattel actually does stuff with Hot Wheels.

It's more like Mattel releasing a Clayface figure and Hasbro suing them because it's "too close" to an Inhumanoid.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:24 PM

I understand trying to stand by their legal perspective DBuster, but understand that HG has pretty much torched any goodwill they ever accrued. I grew up loving Robotech, but I'm ready to see it die to see Marcoss be able to release properly world wide.

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 11:41 PM

Robotech may die...

 

But the WOMEN OF ROBOTECH shall live on!

 



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:58 AM

HG has tried many times to restart RT, each of them with lack-luster results.    They really could make MORE money off the property if they sold it to a company that actually gave a damn about it, instead of the small amount of revenue it brings them...  Most of which seems to get squandered on lawsuits. 


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:13 AM

HG has tried many times to restart RT, each of them with lack-luster results.    They really could make MORE money off the property if they sold it to a company that actually gave a damn about it, instead of the small amount of revenue it brings them...  Most of which seems to get squandered on lawsuits. 

They have a marketing problem.  They do not understand the market and seem to be unwilling to pay someone to define it.  Once they have the definition, they then have to hire people with the creativity to meet the desires of the market with existing properties.  It costs less and has fewer risks to hire lawyers to protect the properties, than it does to hire marketers and creative types.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:23 AM

Robotech may die...

 

But the WOMEN OF ROBOTECH shall live on!

 

I watching those commercials back to back, it gives the message to young girls that the women in Rick's life were 100% interchangeable. 

 

Without knowing the story, here is what it looks like.

A guy dates two women - neither know each other - the guy takes his dates to the same restaurant on the same night (he doesn't even bother to change clothes) - and no one knows any better - AND the women are free to pursue their dreams...This has '87 SITCOM written all over it.

 

The 80's were a terribly progressive time.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:59 AM

Four years until I can get a professionally-dubbed, official copy of DYRL! Wooo!

 

THANK GOD.

 

 

I will always love my Robotech Novels, but Harmony Gold has even screwed those up now first by making them non-canon and then apparently heavily editing the online versions. (Read about that on Facebook.)



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:14 PM

Four years until I can get a professionally-dubbed, official copy of DYRL! Wooo!

 

I'd settle for an official release with subtitles, but that would be even better!


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:16 PM

I will always love my Robotech Novels, but Harmony Gold has even screwed those up now first by making them non-canon and then apparently heavily editing the online versions. (Read about that on Facebook.)

Can you elaborate? I've been thinking of going digital at some point, and the RT novels would probably be one of my first purchases.

I know they edited the timeline / dates way back when Shadow Chronicles came back (I don't remember if it was a late/early return for the REF), but I didn't think they did any other major edits. Unless they went back and renamed the AJACs again.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:56 PM

Four years until I can get a professionally-dubbed, official copy of DYRL! Wooo!

 

THANK GOD.

 

 

I will always love my Robotech Novels, but Harmony Gold has even screwed those up now first by making them non-canon and then apparently heavily editing the online versions. (Read about that on Facebook.)

 

 

 

Four years until I can get a professionally-dubbed, official copy of DYRL! Wooo!

 

I'd settle for an official release with subtitles, but that would be even better!

 

or a blueray with both...

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 05:12 PM

Robotech may die...
 
But the WOMEN OF ROBOTECH shall live on!
 

I watching those commercials back to back, it gives the message to young girls that the women in Rick's life were 100% interchangeable. 
 
Without knowing the story, here is what it looks like.
A guy dates two women - neither know each other - the guy takes his dates to the same restaurant on the same night (he doesn't even bother to change clothes) - and no one knows any better - AND the women are free to pursue their dreams...This has '87 SITCOM written all over it.
 
The 80's were a terribly progressive time.
I almost wish there were more dolls just for the awful disparity between "ongoing war drama" and "isn't she neat?"

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