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@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."


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#1381 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 09:53 AM

Season 1 is one long story about Windblade and Bumblebee trying to restore BB's memories and find the crashed Ark, while being hunted by Slipstream and her team of Seekers.

It's not bad at all. It's just kinda simple and basic with a very small cast. There are a number of episodes made mostly out of Bumblebees memories of pre-war and war Cybertron that are really good world building and pretty fun stuff.

Teletran X is a fun new character when he joins them. Slipstream is great just to see another bot, and a lady, in the traditional Starscream role. The episode where they find Grimlock is fun with his Bizarre backstory.

I think a lot of folks don't like it just because it is 90% Windblade and Bumblebee, kid aimed, and one single pretty simple drawn out storyline. But it can be quite enjoyable if those things aren't turn offs.

As for the time jump it both surprised and thrilled me because Season 1 ends with the main Con cast now on Earth and the crew of the Ark just awakened, and then rather than show us THE FIRST TWO SEASONS OF THE G1 CARTOON BASICALLY AGAIN BUT OUR WAY, like most Cartoons would have it skipped all of that. Said, "yeah it happened, you know how the basic G1 Bots and Cons battle on Earth in disguise situation goes, let's skip to the "Final Battle" of that status quo and what comes next."

-ZacWilliam, they were right on track to do the cliche Transformers set up everyone would have expected from a kids show and then said, "No, everyone's seen that, lets skip all that and do something creative and fun for Season 2 instead."

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 10:11 AM

What Zac said.


 
 
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:42 AM

Yeah, Season 1 feels more like a "Season 0" that's mostly just backstory setup for the real show that more properly begins with Season 2. A lot of its backstory lore is told in an anthology format that kinda hinders the forward momentum of its present day story arc, but that too was hard for a lot of people to sit through since present-day Bumblebee cannot talk outside of radio clips (which many found annoying) and, well, a bunch of folks simply still hate Windblade for whatever reasons and thus don't like that she's one of the first season's two main characters.

 

The first season does have its high points once it gets further along in its main present-day story; the second half of the season even gets quite epic once the likes of Grimlock and Shockwave are added to the mix. But that first half still turned off a lot of people with its Bumblebee movie tie-in elements of Bee having amnesia and unable to speak normally, thus requiring much of the first half to use the anthology-styled flashbacks to help him get his memories back. Though, he could speak in the flashbacks and whenever Windblade entered his mind via cortical psychic patch (a neat little aspect that was brought over from the Prime cartoon).


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 02:46 PM

Personally I didn't mind Season 1 at all, overall it was enjoyable.  The thing I liked the least about it was "Bumblebee can't speak and has (poorly implemented) radio clips."  But it was still entertaining and, through flashbacks, we actually did see other characters and fun bits and pieces of Cybertronian history.  I love the episode with the flashback to Maccadams.

 

I did like Season 2 and Season 3 more, though. 



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Posted 07 August 2020 - 03:05 PM

Season 1 was more what I expected out of a short episode series with a small cast, aimed at kids.

 

The fact that Cyberverse became what it did was both unexpected and quite welcome.  It doesn't reach the heights of something like Beast Wars or Animated, but it was a pretty solid kids show that did stuff we haven't seen before in the franchise. (Which is more than i can say about..  other recent entries)


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 10:07 PM

Halfway through season 2, this is just a charming show. It's somewhere between "Rescue Bots but with both sides" and "funnier, faster, polished G1." The shorter episode length works surprisingly well. I'll stick with it.

But the Mucha Lucha, stained glass window art style is not my thing.

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 10:44 PM

But the Mucha Lucha, stained glass window art style is not my thing.


To me, Cyberverse is just kinda mediocre cell-shaded CGI. I struggle to see any similarity between it and a crappy Flash series from 20 years ago. What about the art style reminds you of that?

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 05:28 AM

I just can't get into it. It feels like someone's bad fanfic, especially the darker moments that feel like a kid trying really hard to be mature and instead just ending up as cringey. 



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 08:30 AM

I just can't get into it. It feels like someone's bad fanfic, especially the darker moments that feel like a kid trying really hard to be mature and instead just ending up as cringey. 

 

That's a mighty fine description of the WFCT Siege cartoon. :p


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If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

#1390 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:22 AM

But the Mucha Lucha, stained glass window art style is not my thing.

To me, Cyberverse is just kinda mediocre cell-shaded CGI. I struggle to see any similarity between it and a crappy Flash series from 20 years ago. What about the art style reminds you of that?

The very wacky body shapes, and looking like they're sliding across a background instead of really walking. There was more of a sense of mass in motion in BW/BM/Prime.

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 09:41 AM

I agree that there isn't really a sense of weight in the animation. That aspect was definitely handled better in most of the previous CGI series. 

 

Though personally I like like the character designs for the most part. 


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 01:43 PM

The weight and action is mostly bad other than some few good scenes in Season 2 and 3, but I think the designs are fine. They're just a normal "modern action cartoon" take on the usual designs. I genuinely think Cyberverse Megatron in particular is the single best G1-ish Megatron design around. VGVkqKZ.jpg



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:25 PM

Season 1 was more what I expected out of a short episode series with a small cast, aimed at kids.
 
The fact that Cyberverse became what it did was both unexpected and quite welcome.  It doesn't reach the heights of something like Beast Wars or Animated, but it was a pretty solid kids show that did stuff we haven't seen before in the franchise. (Which is more than i can say about..  other recent entries)

Beast Wars and Animated weren't that good.

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:27 PM

Yeah, I absolutely wouldn't describe most of the Cyberverse characters as having "wacky" shapes.



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:32 PM

Yeah. I wish they were a bit wackier, honestly. I like creative character designs like we got in Animated and Beast Machines, and I'd like to see series with a look as new as those series had when they came out. 

 

I feel like the Cyberverse designs have a bit of personality and I generally like them, but I do think they're a bit "safe" despite their slightly cartoon-y aesthetics. 



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:38 PM

Most of Cyberverse's designs were just basic G1/evergreen stuff with maybe a little sprinkle of stylistic flair. It wasn't until late season 3 that stuff like Wildwheel started happening.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:55 PM

They might stick close to the Evergrene model sheets in colors and general features, but I much prefer the dynamic proportions and shapes Cyberverse gives to the characters than the Evergreen look. Even someone like Optimus who is very "conventional and sage", just from being given those really overt wide shoulders, already feels more fun to look at. Also shout out to Starscream who just has a REALLY good face that screams "Starscream"



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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:00 PM

 

I just can't get into it. It feels like someone's bad fanfic, especially the darker moments that feel like a kid trying really hard to be mature and instead just ending up as cringey. 

 

That's a mighty fine description of the WFCT Siege cartoon. :p

 

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Newest episode is up!

 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:58 PM

"The End of the Universe" 4-parter is the best multi-part episode since at least Beast Machines "Endgame" a full 20 years ago.



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