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@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 May 2019 - 01:38 AM)

Yeah, polling these days is garbage.

@  Sean Whitmore : (18 May 2019 - 11:53 PM)

Well, he was an honest man. He wasn’t gonna lie to a 5-year-old.

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 08:34 PM)

Grandfather once said to me, "I'm going upstairs and hug your grandma."

@  Sabrblade : (18 May 2019 - 07:08 PM)

Mama always said that you can tell a lot 'bout a person from 'is shoes...

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 May 2019 - 03:54 PM)

Life is like a box of chocolates. Stay out of the sun or melt into a pile of gross slop.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 May 2019 - 10:26 AM)

Greasy, disappointing and still managing to be over priced?

@  Lancer : (18 May 2019 - 10:22 AM)

... Yes, it is!

@  Noideaforaname : (18 May 2019 - 09:48 AM)

Life's a fillet of fish!

@  unluckiness : (18 May 2019 - 08:53 AM)

ow the edge

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 07:03 AM)

a reminder that life is an unrepentant hellscape where everyone & everything you know will eventually betray you.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:45 AM)

You know, this election is what has finally broken me of any confidence at any point of pre-polling data. I mean, it's always been sketchy, but this is just... aaaargh!

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:08 AM)

I was going to make an Auspol election thread in P&R, but the outcome so far has made me feel physically ill.

@  Gamma V : (18 May 2019 - 03:28 AM)

Haven't been here in a long time.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 03:16 AM)

I have heard that, it's rather disappointing. Ah, maybe they'll just leech each others stores of "awful racist vote" and not go anywhere.

@  Trpodeca : (17 May 2019 - 11:09 PM)

I voted. Boy there are a worrying amount of parties which sound like fascists.

@  Pennpenn : (17 May 2019 - 06:55 PM)

For those in Australia, it is a federal election today. Go Vote! It's Mandatory!

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2019 - 04:19 PM)

Humor? I 'ardly know 'or!

@  wonko the sane? : (17 May 2019 - 03:51 PM)

I was intemately familiar with humour... but she just wanted to be friends...

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 May 2019 - 12:10 PM)

BZT Time out! Time out! Time ooooooouuuuuut!!!

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 08:23 AM)

Yes. Are you familiar with humor?

@  Sabrblade : (17 May 2019 - 07:50 AM)

You are familiar with The Room, yes?

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 01:14 AM)

nah, tuxedos are formal wear

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2019 - 10:38 PM)

*...while dressed in a tuxedo*

@  unluckiness : (16 May 2019 - 09:22 PM)

*casually tosses kryptonite island at Lex*

@  Sean Whitmore : (16 May 2019 - 06:21 PM)

O hai Lex.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 May 2019 - 04:31 PM)

You're just a little chicken! Cheep cheepcheep cheeEeeeEEEeeeep!

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2019 - 04:20 PM)

YOU ARE TEARING ME APART

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 May 2019 - 04:14 PM)

So I guess I shouldn't try to tie in The Room.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 May 2019 - 02:29 PM)

I was just talking cheesy in a dated filmmaking sense, not mind-bogglingly god-awful.

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Well, certainly The Last Airbender is worse at being a Superman movie.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 May 2019 - 11:31 AM)

Is that better or worse than The Last Airbender? I mean, they're both terrible, but....

@  RichardT1977 : (16 May 2019 - 09:28 AM)

And the worst Superman movie is "Dragonball: Evolution".

@  Paladin : (16 May 2019 - 08:01 AM)

the best Superman movie is "The Iron Giant." You cannot convince me otherwise.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 May 2019 - 10:16 PM)

At least even in the first Christopher Reeve movie, when he caught Lois that first time, the background kept scrolling down for a second to indicate it wasn't a sudden stop.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 May 2019 - 10:10 PM)

I guess you had to have been there. I did like the beginning a lot, though; the stuff on Krypton and in Smallville. The movie just got so cheesy once it got to Metropolis, though, it's kind of painful

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 May 2019 - 06:25 PM)

The performances, the cinematography, the significance of a comic book adaptation being treated like a real movie. Silly stuff like that. :)

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 May 2019 - 05:17 PM)

Yeah, I've never really understood what people loved so much about it. Other than the score, of course, which was one of Williams' finest

@  Paladin : (15 May 2019 - 04:06 PM)

and it's not even the dumbest part in that movie.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 May 2019 - 03:16 PM)

Flying Lois around was fine; it was all the Can You Read My Mind nonsense that ruined the scene

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2019 - 12:08 PM)

The recent Shazam! movie had Billy bumbling his way through learning his powers. But all or most of it was genuinely funny.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 May 2019 - 11:27 AM)

But yeah, in retrospect it makes me cringe the way he caught and carried the helicopter in his public debut in the first film...

@  RichardT1977 : (15 May 2019 - 11:25 AM)

(she wasn't in III long enough to be flown around)

@  RichardT1977 : (15 May 2019 - 11:25 AM)

You mean the Donner movie, the Donner/Lester movie, and The Quest for Peace (for which I don't know the director)?

@  unluckiness : (15 May 2019 - 11:09 AM)

At least he didn't try to fly lois around like in the Donner movies.

@  Cybersnark : (15 May 2019 - 10:45 AM)

My favourite is still from the first episode of the 90s Superman animated series, where Clark initially tries to catch the falling plane by its tail... which snaps off in his hands because physics doesn't work that way.

@  MEDdMI : (15 May 2019 - 09:46 AM)

I think it'd be boring if a hero could use their powers perfectly right off the bat and not have any unforseen consequences (though I also don't keep up with a lot of superhero stuff, so not familiar with those scenes)

@  Dekafox : (15 May 2019 - 09:23 AM)

Overseas, Kamen Rider Gaim did something similar after Kouta(the main character) got his transformation belt. He tried to do a whole bunch of mundane things with it cause he thought it'd make him better at them and they all go horribly wrong.

@  Paladin : (15 May 2019 - 08:59 AM)

superspeed causes enormous friction on fabric. the 1990 Flash had the same issue and it was mentioned in "The Incredibles" too...

@  fourteenwings : (15 May 2019 - 08:45 AM)

Arrow didn't have one (though Oliver got hurt a lot in flashbacks), Supergirl already had her powers, LoT gang also already had their powers mostly and in Black Lightning discovering your powers seems to be more associated with emotional trauma than anything comedic

@  fourteenwings : (15 May 2019 - 08:43 AM)

In the Arrowverse shows... I guess The Flash accidentally ran so fast he shredded his clothes? (totally not a chance to showcase Grant Gustin's "I'm not Glee kid anymore!" physique)


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:09 PM

https://www.allspark...on-on-robotech/
 
DC did some pretty good stuff with their Robotech books I think? But it's great to see the license alive again somewhere. Well, it is if you're a Robotech fan. And kind of bizarre to see Furman on it. 
 
"Titan also plans on republishing the entire back catalogue of Robotech comics from Comico onward" is a pretty remarkable sentence to read, too. They pumped a LOT of stuff out back in the day. 
 
If we must turn this thread into the inevitable HG/Macek bashfest let's do so in a civilised manner, shall we? :)

For posterity, here are a selection of previous topics relating to Harmony Gold or Robotech and its source material.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:40 PM

...Robotech is still a thing?


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:03 AM

It's generally in a sort of hybrid state of having previously been a thing and perennially trying to become a thing again, but basically... yes. A bit. 

 

Post-Shadow Chronicles Actual Animated Fiction turned out not to be a thing, but there are always toys coming from somewhere, they're pushing the original series on Hulu and Netflix (can they pull a Voltron perhaps?!) etc. Palladium is still churning out RPG content.

 

Robotech.com has LOTS of stuff to sell you if you need a fix. I mean, I'm sure YOU don't need a fix, but some people do. 


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:56 AM

Am I the only person that kinda wants to see a new Robotech trilogy?  Where someone takes three series unrelated aside from art style and makes it into a single generation-spanning epic?


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 03:27 AM

Only if the three series western to avoid any ugly cultural supremacist allusions.

 

 

If we must turn this thread into the inevitable HG/Macek bashfest let's do so in a civilised manner, shall we? :)

 

Speaking of, does anyone else remember ages ago when we had a Robotech/Macross argument here and some guy I was arguing with claimed Robotech saved Macross' studio? At the time I kinda wanted to stop arguing so I accepted it and backed off, but a few months later I looked back at the thread and the link he posted to support the claim didn't prove anything at all.

 

I'm still pissed off about that. Let's have a round two, whoever you were.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:18 AM

Only if the three series western to avoid any ugly cultural supremacist allusions.

I think it's far more obvious that the people involved had cultural supremacist illusions than that any one choice or detail reflects them. I'm sure the results would be measurably different if we were talking about a collection of French rather than Japanese cartoons but you'd need to run some spreadsheets.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:36 AM

It disgust me that people will still give harmony gold money.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:05 AM

Am I the only person that kinda wants to see a new Robotech trilogy?  Where someone takes three series unrelated aside from art style and makes it into a single generation-spanning epic?


I think there can be a remarkable creative exercise in this kind of thing, but it's 2017 and I'd we're just kind of past the point where that's a smart or valid thing to do. Peoples is too smart, they'll just bitch forever about you bastardising the OSM. One imagines that part of the reason Robotech carved such a firm foothold was that back then nobody knew any better. When the show was airing, there weren't a lot of people sitting there going UH IT'S MISA NOT LISA. By the time we understood the situation better, Robotech had fashioned its own legitimacy -- or believed it had -- and while it's obviously something of a black sheep it still has fans.

I'm one of them, I think the connective tissue Macek and co built gives us a whole that's more than the sum of its parts (though I happily confess that nostalgia may be an overriding factor for me). I also think hello it's (still) 2017, there's room for Robotech AND Macross AND the boring one AND the good one. There's no excuse for Harmony Gold doing all that... Harmony Gold stuff they've done.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:22 AM

For the record, I'm glad that Robotech is still out there. I mean, I don't have firm memories of it - I caught the odd rerun on Toonami years ago, but I wasn't really able to follow it - but it's not a big thing for me.

 

Still, from the perspective of an outsider looking in, it feels like Harmony Gold is doing more to hurt itself and its property than it is to help it. I hear more about their lawsuits than I do their product.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:52 PM

Yeah. HGUSA is... Not doing itself any favors.

 

That doesn't mean I don't love Robotech and would totally buy this if (A) I read comics and (B) it wasn't starting as another re-tread of The Macross Saga (at least from the pics). I hope it does well, because, man, the Robotech world is great.

 

Still, reprinting all of the old material? That might be worth it for Sentinels, even if Sentinels gets kind-of weak / weird in places (anything to do with Tesla, IMO).

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:29 PM

In terms of Harmony Gold actually doing anything, it certainly tends to look more like "here's another coffee mug to make it seem like the property is alive" than "actually keeping Robotech alive in a meaningful way". They rely a lot on third parties trying to cash in on the license. I mean, it seems like HG is always trying to get new movies or shows happening, but unfortunately nobody seems to care. Shadow Chronicles was far from perfect but I'd rather see more of that than nothing. 

 

It's a franchise that would really benefit from a ground-up reboot -- take the amazing world building that Macek and his successors did and use it to create a series that isn't just Frankesteined together using Nonsense Glue. Take the show as your base while bringing in the best new elements of McKinney or the Waltrips etc.

 

They should REALLY be looking to Voltron for the key to their future. The source material there is rubbish compared to Robotech and Netflix has something spectacular on their hands. A modernised Robotech saga that actually organically segued from generation to generation would be achievable and magnificent. 

 

I'd struggle with an all new voice cast though. Those Robotech voices are so iconic.

 

ETA: hopefully Titan is trying to do something like this and we'll see hints of post-Macross stuff there sooner rather than later.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:40 PM

Oh, I didn't realise that actual information about the Udon art books existed yet, but here we are.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:04 PM

I feel like Voltron comparisons are difficult for the same reason I feel like Robotech comparisons are kinda unfair in discussions of Voltron. In the case of Voltron, you have two shows made successively by the same studio as different spins of the same concept that died domestically, cut together into a mix no one really remembers one show's contribution to anyway, that then took off as a major property here in the States. The original studio then animated fresh episodes in the newly rewritten continuity to seal it all up, which is to say that they had themselves abandoned GoLion for Voltron because the latter was more profitable. That's not nostalgia goggles and media provincialism! That difference in the relationship leaves Robotech feeling kinda skeevy in ways that Voltron just doesn't. 

 

So taking the same tack as Voltron and rebooting everything with reimagined characters and wit and pretty animation and so on sounds appealing - but I'm still going to cringe at the US dub names and plot scampi. 

 

HG's need to circle the drain tapping the same old nostalgia for a bad dub of Macross means they'll never go even that far, but I don't know if even that would be quite far enough for me. I'd much rather see them step back to broker a deal with Netflix or whoever and just make a US cartoon for whatever toys Big West (I guess?) is selling right now. You know, make up your own, new anglo-named characters if you like, but at least keep the franchise name....


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:28 PM

Could also just make a brand new unrelated mecha series untainted by Robotech.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:28 PM

Also an option.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:52 PM

To be clear when I mention Voltron I'm not in any way invoking the original series; I mostly just mean "make a good show". 

 

The model we see on Netflix (I should really be saying "from Dreamworks" or whoever I guess) where they take the most fundamental elements of the original and then just do whatever the hell they want with them seems like a winner. For every OSM-faithful decision there's a big departure. Because they just sat down in 2016 and said "let's take this license and make a great show". "Let's use these building blocks but not let slavish adherence to history interfere with the creation of engaging characters and a compelling narrative". 

 

[Bleep] is a girl, Allura looks weird, what's a "Shiro"? WHAT HAPPENED TO CORAN... but we survive. It's a great show. I would just love to see what might have happened if it was Robotech they were working with. Give Macross, Mospeada and Southern Cross some breathing room. Lean on them less while still heaping recogniseable flesh onto the skeleton Macek assembled from them. I suppose to a degree that's what they were trying to achieve with Shadow Chronicles. But. 

 

There are other factors that may influence Robotech's future of course... will we ever see this live action movie? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Speaking of "movies", a Robotech reboot would even allow them to reinstate stuff from Robotech: The Movie without needing the Megazone 23 footage they no longer have rights to. That's probably not going to be high on anyone's priority list, but it's an idea with some appeal I think.

 

Anyway, BRB, renaming this thread to "Tim rants about Robotech forever"


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:22 PM

I've long thought that the best thing HGUSA could do with Robotech is to ignore the Hunters, Sterlings, Bernard, etc and just focus on using what they have. I mean, there's this big rich universe and continuity to play with, but all everyone at HG cares about is the continuing adventures of Rick Hunter.

It's just criminally bad handling what they've done with that world. Global Civil War, Three Robotech Wars, Reconstruction, Malcontent Uprisings, post-Invid Invasion, Sentinels, Armies of the Southern Cross in South America, the EBSIS, etc. All that stuff and they just let it sit there and rot.

Speaking of "movies", a Robotech reboot would even allow them to reinstate stuff from Robotech: The Movie without needing the Megazone 23 footage they no longer have rights to. That's probably not going to be high on anyone's priority list, but it's an idea with some appeal I think."

*Raises hand* But only if they somehow manage to create a Not-Hargun, Not-MODAT, and Not-EVE, because otherwise you get "The Master's Gambit" and nobody wants that.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:39 PM

Good to see the comic is complete garbage as expected.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:46 PM

Bugger!


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:53 PM

Yikes.

Well, at least I still have my McKinney novels & RPG books.

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