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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 October 2019 - 10:36 PM)

Ex-Bundeswehr personnel, eh? Fascinating.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (20 October 2019 - 09:43 PM)

TF Roll Out Hot Rod's Presentation is coming real soon!!

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 01:05 PM)

So whenever he addresses his troops, he keeps cracking jokes. Sometimes these jokes are about the blunders he himself had made in his speech the previous day.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 01:01 PM)

At the moment, I'm blessed with a pretty nice superior. He's got a military background, but he takes an oddly entertaining approach to it. Imagine a stand-up comedian who accidentally enlisted as a drill sergeant.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Another type of everyday absurdity: Imagine you're leaving your workplace for your lunchbreak. Upon your return, you discover that your workplace has been cordened and/or gated off during your break, with "construction site" warning signs everywhere. You go to your superior and tell him: "I can no longer access my workplace! Why is there suddenly a construction site?" Your superior takes a surpised look and says: "I don't know, first time I see this." You figure: "Must be a Tuesday, then."

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:51 PM)

It's kind of surreal, really.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:50 PM)

They agree that things are less than ideal, but they acknowledge that their scope of making decisions is limited. Oddly, I keep getting that regardless of how high up the chain of command I bother people.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 12:49 PM)

"I hear you, but you know how it is, there's nothing I can do about it." That's it, basically.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 October 2019 - 06:40 AM)

What's it like to have management that's willing to listen to things they don't want to hear? I've never seen that.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:41 AM)

I manage to argue within the company's own internal logic and point out the flaws, shortcomings and discrepancies between "official company policy" and "everyday company reality".

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:40 AM)

Many of my coworkers are scared to even talk to managers. I often discuss company matters with them I disagree with, and it isn't a rare occurrence that they say "yeah, you're right..."

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:38 AM)

I know how to watch my tone, and I prefer to keep things straightforward and factual, never to attack the person, always the problem itself.

@  Nevermore : (19 October 2019 - 04:37 AM)

The good thing for me is ever since a minor hiccup many years ago when I was still non-permanent, I've always managed to along just fine with my various superiors (I've been through over a dozen already). And that's despite my outspokenness, my blunt honesty and my oftentimes harsh criticism.

@  Sabrblade : (18 October 2019 - 11:04 PM)

With visuals presented by the Cybernet Space Cube

@  Dekafox : (18 October 2019 - 04:51 PM)

And don't forget to sign up for a cybersecurity seminar while you're there

@  Dekafox : (18 October 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Well you can always strap on some cyberlimbs and go into cyberspace for a cyberpunk experience

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 October 2019 - 04:28 PM)

You know that "cyber" doesn't mean "cyborg", right?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 October 2019 - 04:16 PM)

So where's the Cyborgs on CYBERtron?

@  The Doctor Who : (18 October 2019 - 03:47 PM)

Click here and we can send you notifications about your desire to discontinue notifications!

@  Benbot : (18 October 2019 - 10:40 AM)

Why does every damn website want to send me notifications? NO, no one wants your popups! Quit asking!

@  Echowarrior : (18 October 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Amazon in the US has pretty good benefits, though, and even the temp workers had forty hours a week to start with. Even with minimum wage, that's pretty good pay.

@  Nevermore : (18 October 2019 - 01:20 AM)

Oh, the turnover rates are high here as well.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Amazon.com and .ca, on the other hand, can be pretty terrible. I know from your squawkbox posts that you guys have your issues with Amazon over there, although you're lucky to have stronger government regulations and a union there. I gather the warehouse workers in the USA and Canada have it pretty crappy, with very high turnover, close to minimum wage pay, and no unions

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 09:38 PM)

Amazon.de doesn't really have the same issue. I've ordered from them (and UK, FR, IT and JP) several times, and their packaging is much better

@  Nevermore : (17 October 2019 - 05:22 PM)

I'm not sure how it works on the customer's end. As packers, we sometimes have items that are flagged as "overwrap", which means we absolutely have to put them into a box even if they're already in pretty sturdy manufacturer packaging.

@  TM2-Megatron : (17 October 2019 - 03:05 PM)

Yeah, I really do wish amazon had an option to upgrade packaging for an extra buck or something. I hate their bubble mailers

@  Benbot : (17 October 2019 - 07:17 AM)

That's how it works. I just hope my order from Amazon doesn't arrive crushed because they idiotically stuffed it in an envelope.

@  Telly : (16 October 2019 - 10:48 PM)

my walmart is acting true to form. as soon as mirage arrives from amazon, my walmart gets his entire wave in after months of having wave 1 clogging the pegs....

@  Nevermore : (16 October 2019 - 05:18 PM)

I stirred up some trouble at work, complained about the blatant neglect of employee safety. Was asked to take photos and write down the locations so the matter could be properly escalated. Made me feel a little better.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 October 2019 - 02:55 PM)

I got stabbed in the eyelid by a mudwasp, pulled down a tree, and then got ice cream. You know, all told: not a bad day.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 October 2019 - 09:17 AM)

Burrunjor

@  Paladin : (15 October 2019 - 08:04 AM)

your mom.

@  Benbot : (15 October 2019 - 08:02 AM)

What's your favorite Paleolithic megafauna?

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:06 PM)

Together with the Rhino G1 sets, probably the most expensive DVDs I ever bought

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 10:01 PM)

I've still got the age-old Rhino sets

@  Telly : (14 October 2019 - 09:09 PM)

i didnt find that at any of the ones around here, so i had to settle for seasons 1 and 2 of duckman for $3

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 07:45 PM)

Heck, I got the season 2/3 set for $3 (?) from a Dollar General discount bin :p

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 October 2019 - 07:29 PM)

The series is pretty cheap on DVD, too, which at least will work internet or no. The complete series set seems to be OOP, but there's a Season 1 set as well as a combined 2 & 3 set.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 06:10 PM)

Woot! Beast wars!

@  Steevy Maximus : (14 October 2019 - 06:08 PM)

Yay! Tubi now has the first season of Rescue Bots and the full run of Beast Wars FINALLY available.

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 02:16 PM)

Just like me in a game of Civilization. Don't have gunpowder? Time for your cities to burn.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 01:51 PM)

He dubbed the peoples that saw him as bad news cannibals and savages before enslaving and wiping them out too.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 01:40 PM)

And if they had been unfriendly: he would have simply slaughtered them with diseases they couldn't fight, and technology they couldn't match until they as a people did not exist. There's something about european backgrounds that drive us to exploit.

@  Rycochet : (14 October 2019 - 11:02 AM)

He described the peoples he encountered as some of the most friendly and giving in the world, so naturally, he ate all their food, enslaved them and put them to work looking for gold that did not exist, until they as a people did not exist.

@  Paladin : (14 October 2019 - 09:57 AM)

he landed by coincidence in front of long-term residents.

@  Sabrblade : (14 October 2019 - 09:55 AM)

He said the world was round-o! (He said the world was round-o!) He said it could be found-o! (He said it could be found-o!) That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo! (That hypothetical, calculated, son-of-a-gun, Columbo!)

@  Benbot : (14 October 2019 - 09:22 AM)

In the year 1492, Columbus gave us the day off skoo

@  Noideaforaname : (14 October 2019 - 08:59 AM)

How often do people actually celebrate Columbus or the Pilgrims? Usually it just feels like celebrating the first break in the school year and a nice dinner with the family.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 October 2019 - 08:29 AM)

You've got like two more weeks until the american thanksgiving. Canadian thanksgiving is literally a harvest festival.

@  CVReynolds : (14 October 2019 - 08:09 AM)

Hey, everyone. Come together to enjoy this national holiday made to celebrate a mass-murderer who never set foot in the USA. What fun!


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:09 PM

https://www.allspark...on-on-robotech/
 
DC did some pretty good stuff with their Robotech books I think? But it's great to see the license alive again somewhere. Well, it is if you're a Robotech fan. And kind of bizarre to see Furman on it. 
 
"Titan also plans on republishing the entire back catalogue of Robotech comics from Comico onward" is a pretty remarkable sentence to read, too. They pumped a LOT of stuff out back in the day. 
 
If we must turn this thread into the inevitable HG/Macek bashfest let's do so in a civilised manner, shall we? :)

For posterity, here are a selection of previous topics relating to Harmony Gold or Robotech and its source material.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 11:40 PM

...Robotech is still a thing?


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:03 AM

It's generally in a sort of hybrid state of having previously been a thing and perennially trying to become a thing again, but basically... yes. A bit. 

 

Post-Shadow Chronicles Actual Animated Fiction turned out not to be a thing, but there are always toys coming from somewhere, they're pushing the original series on Hulu and Netflix (can they pull a Voltron perhaps?!) etc. Palladium is still churning out RPG content.

 

Robotech.com has LOTS of stuff to sell you if you need a fix. I mean, I'm sure YOU don't need a fix, but some people do. 


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:56 AM

Am I the only person that kinda wants to see a new Robotech trilogy?  Where someone takes three series unrelated aside from art style and makes it into a single generation-spanning epic?


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 03:27 AM

Only if the three series western to avoid any ugly cultural supremacist allusions.

 

 

If we must turn this thread into the inevitable HG/Macek bashfest let's do so in a civilised manner, shall we? :)

 

Speaking of, does anyone else remember ages ago when we had a Robotech/Macross argument here and some guy I was arguing with claimed Robotech saved Macross' studio? At the time I kinda wanted to stop arguing so I accepted it and backed off, but a few months later I looked back at the thread and the link he posted to support the claim didn't prove anything at all.

 

I'm still pissed off about that. Let's have a round two, whoever you were.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:18 AM

Only if the three series western to avoid any ugly cultural supremacist allusions.

I think it's far more obvious that the people involved had cultural supremacist illusions than that any one choice or detail reflects them. I'm sure the results would be measurably different if we were talking about a collection of French rather than Japanese cartoons but you'd need to run some spreadsheets.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:36 AM

It disgust me that people will still give harmony gold money.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:05 AM

Am I the only person that kinda wants to see a new Robotech trilogy?  Where someone takes three series unrelated aside from art style and makes it into a single generation-spanning epic?


I think there can be a remarkable creative exercise in this kind of thing, but it's 2017 and I'd we're just kind of past the point where that's a smart or valid thing to do. Peoples is too smart, they'll just bitch forever about you bastardising the OSM. One imagines that part of the reason Robotech carved such a firm foothold was that back then nobody knew any better. When the show was airing, there weren't a lot of people sitting there going UH IT'S MISA NOT LISA. By the time we understood the situation better, Robotech had fashioned its own legitimacy -- or believed it had -- and while it's obviously something of a black sheep it still has fans.

I'm one of them, I think the connective tissue Macek and co built gives us a whole that's more than the sum of its parts (though I happily confess that nostalgia may be an overriding factor for me). I also think hello it's (still) 2017, there's room for Robotech AND Macross AND the boring one AND the good one. There's no excuse for Harmony Gold doing all that... Harmony Gold stuff they've done.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:22 AM

For the record, I'm glad that Robotech is still out there. I mean, I don't have firm memories of it - I caught the odd rerun on Toonami years ago, but I wasn't really able to follow it - but it's not a big thing for me.

 

Still, from the perspective of an outsider looking in, it feels like Harmony Gold is doing more to hurt itself and its property than it is to help it. I hear more about their lawsuits than I do their product.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:52 PM

Yeah. HGUSA is... Not doing itself any favors.

 

That doesn't mean I don't love Robotech and would totally buy this if (A) I read comics and (B) it wasn't starting as another re-tread of The Macross Saga (at least from the pics). I hope it does well, because, man, the Robotech world is great.

 

Still, reprinting all of the old material? That might be worth it for Sentinels, even if Sentinels gets kind-of weak / weird in places (anything to do with Tesla, IMO).

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:29 PM

In terms of Harmony Gold actually doing anything, it certainly tends to look more like "here's another coffee mug to make it seem like the property is alive" than "actually keeping Robotech alive in a meaningful way". They rely a lot on third parties trying to cash in on the license. I mean, it seems like HG is always trying to get new movies or shows happening, but unfortunately nobody seems to care. Shadow Chronicles was far from perfect but I'd rather see more of that than nothing. 

 

It's a franchise that would really benefit from a ground-up reboot -- take the amazing world building that Macek and his successors did and use it to create a series that isn't just Frankesteined together using Nonsense Glue. Take the show as your base while bringing in the best new elements of McKinney or the Waltrips etc.

 

They should REALLY be looking to Voltron for the key to their future. The source material there is rubbish compared to Robotech and Netflix has something spectacular on their hands. A modernised Robotech saga that actually organically segued from generation to generation would be achievable and magnificent. 

 

I'd struggle with an all new voice cast though. Those Robotech voices are so iconic.

 

ETA: hopefully Titan is trying to do something like this and we'll see hints of post-Macross stuff there sooner rather than later.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:40 PM

Oh, I didn't realise that actual information about the Udon art books existed yet, but here we are.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:04 PM

I feel like Voltron comparisons are difficult for the same reason I feel like Robotech comparisons are kinda unfair in discussions of Voltron. In the case of Voltron, you have two shows made successively by the same studio as different spins of the same concept that died domestically, cut together into a mix no one really remembers one show's contribution to anyway, that then took off as a major property here in the States. The original studio then animated fresh episodes in the newly rewritten continuity to seal it all up, which is to say that they had themselves abandoned GoLion for Voltron because the latter was more profitable. That's not nostalgia goggles and media provincialism! That difference in the relationship leaves Robotech feeling kinda skeevy in ways that Voltron just doesn't. 

 

So taking the same tack as Voltron and rebooting everything with reimagined characters and wit and pretty animation and so on sounds appealing - but I'm still going to cringe at the US dub names and plot scampi. 

 

HG's need to circle the drain tapping the same old nostalgia for a bad dub of Macross means they'll never go even that far, but I don't know if even that would be quite far enough for me. I'd much rather see them step back to broker a deal with Netflix or whoever and just make a US cartoon for whatever toys Big West (I guess?) is selling right now. You know, make up your own, new anglo-named characters if you like, but at least keep the franchise name....


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:28 PM

Could also just make a brand new unrelated mecha series untainted by Robotech.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:28 PM

Also an option.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:52 PM

To be clear when I mention Voltron I'm not in any way invoking the original series; I mostly just mean "make a good show". 

 

The model we see on Netflix (I should really be saying "from Dreamworks" or whoever I guess) where they take the most fundamental elements of the original and then just do whatever the hell they want with them seems like a winner. For every OSM-faithful decision there's a big departure. Because they just sat down in 2016 and said "let's take this license and make a great show". "Let's use these building blocks but not let slavish adherence to history interfere with the creation of engaging characters and a compelling narrative". 

 

[Bleep] is a girl, Allura looks weird, what's a "Shiro"? WHAT HAPPENED TO CORAN... but we survive. It's a great show. I would just love to see what might have happened if it was Robotech they were working with. Give Macross, Mospeada and Southern Cross some breathing room. Lean on them less while still heaping recogniseable flesh onto the skeleton Macek assembled from them. I suppose to a degree that's what they were trying to achieve with Shadow Chronicles. But. 

 

There are other factors that may influence Robotech's future of course... will we ever see this live action movie? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Speaking of "movies", a Robotech reboot would even allow them to reinstate stuff from Robotech: The Movie without needing the Megazone 23 footage they no longer have rights to. That's probably not going to be high on anyone's priority list, but it's an idea with some appeal I think.

 

Anyway, BRB, renaming this thread to "Tim rants about Robotech forever"


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:22 PM

I've long thought that the best thing HGUSA could do with Robotech is to ignore the Hunters, Sterlings, Bernard, etc and just focus on using what they have. I mean, there's this big rich universe and continuity to play with, but all everyone at HG cares about is the continuing adventures of Rick Hunter.

It's just criminally bad handling what they've done with that world. Global Civil War, Three Robotech Wars, Reconstruction, Malcontent Uprisings, post-Invid Invasion, Sentinels, Armies of the Southern Cross in South America, the EBSIS, etc. All that stuff and they just let it sit there and rot.

Speaking of "movies", a Robotech reboot would even allow them to reinstate stuff from Robotech: The Movie without needing the Megazone 23 footage they no longer have rights to. That's probably not going to be high on anyone's priority list, but it's an idea with some appeal I think."

*Raises hand* But only if they somehow manage to create a Not-Hargun, Not-MODAT, and Not-EVE, because otherwise you get "The Master's Gambit" and nobody wants that.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:39 PM

Good to see the comic is complete garbage as expected.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:46 PM

Bugger!


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:53 PM

Yikes.

Well, at least I still have my McKinney novels & RPG books.

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