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@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (05 November 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Announcement! TF Roll Out Short Gotta Go Fast! Storyboard in the works! Green lit Real Soon.


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#121 ZakuConvoy

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 08:03 PM

Well, the first IDW Sonic issue got released at WonderCon this weekend.  So, of course somebody already put the whole thing online already.  It's out there if you're really curious.

 

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 01:17 AM

So barely anyone has played the current prologue to the comic then :D



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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:47 AM

It's the first issue. It's setting stuff up from what is essentially zero. I didn't really expect a huge lore and continuity heavy thing. Let's see where this goes.


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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:07 AM

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#125 Maruten

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 05:04 PM

I'd be very surprised if this book doesn't do at least the numbers IDW expects. Whatever market existed for the Archie book surely will largely be onboard for this? Or will "we hate you for killing Archie" keep people away? Is there anger? Will there be boycotts?!


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#126 Daith

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:37 PM

It's tough to say. I do want to give it a chance myself and nothing especially wrong is coming from it yet. But the biggest draw for me was the classic SAT AM continuation. That's what drew me to the comic originally. Granted I never paid it mind until after the introduction of the Com-Bots. If we are sticking to strictly game and completely original new characters I'm not sure I'll continue for long.



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Posted 27 March 2018 - 06:28 AM

I'll never understand the notion that the Archie comic was ever a "continuation" of SatAM.

It came out first, left the party last, and other than sharing some characters and eventually some settings, had virtually nothing in common except for a relatively brief spell. Different MacGuffins, different death for Robotnik (yeah, I know about the planned Season 3 stuff, but it never happened)... they were ultimately two rather different beasts.

It's like calling Marvel G1 a continuation of the Sunbow cartoon.

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#128 Daith

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 11:40 AM

I know there were differences and it wasn't the same. But then there were specific instances too that the comic actually tied itself to the cartoon, like the introduction of Lupe and the Wolfpack specifically had a reference text box telling you to check out their first appearance in the cartoon. Not to mention taking the plan of using Naugus as a post Robotnik villain. It may not be a direct continuation but it continued the use of characters and ideas from the show where no other use of media had.


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#129 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 06:01 AM

Sure, but the same could be said of many comic tie-ins, but no one calls those a continuation. The aforementioned Marvel Transformers, for instance, as well as their G.I. Joe and Archi's TMNT Adventures.

Heck, with the possible exception of Joe, the others adapted cartoon episodes as well and TF expanded on unused ideas.

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#130 Daith

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:31 PM

Well whatever. Either way you want to look at it that's what brought quite a few readers in. It may not have continued the story of the cartoon completely but the characters kept going on so yes it's a continuation of some sort. If you want to be nitpicky about it go ahead.



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Posted 29 March 2018 - 06:30 AM

Nah, I'm done. I just think it's silly thing no one else (fandom-wise) seems to do, that's all.

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 02:56 AM

Well, not a lot happens in issue one but it's issue one. I liked it fine, though it didn't blow me away. I'm pretty keen to see where it goes as it develops its own identity.

Don't know how much of this came from the script and how much was Yardley, but one thing I did like is that Sonic is constantly moving, like always doing something even when he's just standing there talking to Tails. Even if it's just picking his teeth, he's almost never static. I assume we were expecting to be happy with the art given it's a beloved veteran (right?) and I was.

Bring on next week!

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:26 PM

Thinking it over, if the mystery enemy is a returning enemy and not a new guy (and also not just Eggman), I'm betting its...

 

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:00 PM

So far it's great.
Woooo!

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:52 PM

Its ok. So far its just Sonic taking down Eggbots with one of the side kicks in tow.

Though it seems like Sonic isnt totally against Amys affections as long as hes not slowed down.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:05 PM

We're still very firmly in Setup Town, but I didn't think issue 2 was quite as much fun as the first, possibly just because I didn't enjoy the art as much. Still fairly confident we'll have something solid once the whole thing gets going though.

Also, Amy... sigh. There has to be more to her than holding a hammer and crushing on a Sonic I hope? Surely. I'm surprised they didn't put more effort into making her a more compelling character for her debut in the new continuity.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:24 PM

Meh, they gave her a city planner/rallying the troops moment, so that was kind of nice.

 

And this was probably an improvement over the first issue for me, since at least there's a LITTLE bit of conflict between Amy and Sonic compared to Tails and Sonic.

 

But, yeah, looks like these first four issues are probably just going to be the same story over and over again, just inserting different characters in.  Hopefully, this "new" villain is worth the setup.



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:18 AM

I enjoyed the issues so far. Maybe it's because I'm fairly new to Sonic comics, but I don't mind the first couple of issues being set ups.

I wonder who will be revealed as the mastermind behind all of this.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:47 PM

I have high hopes for issue three since it's the first one that's introducing actual new characters, so I think there'll be a bit more going on. 


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:46 AM

Well we get our new Skunk duo in #3 and gotta say Rough and Tumble are kinda fun.

 

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I think one thing that kinda bugs me is the lack of setting. So far each issue just has Sonic taking care of a problem in random animal towns with no name. Now I know we aren't getting Robotropolis, Knothole and the like, but so far nothing really has been set up as being important other than just keeping the citizenry safe. There really doesn't seem like there isn't any stakes to raise yet. While we know guy in the chair is plotting something bigger just what that is beyond "Bwahahaha Evil!" is just too ambiguous.

 

Oh well issue 4 has Blaze and another new character appearing. I'm wondering if I'll keep going after our introductory issues. So far it's just kind of mediocre. It's not bad, but not really making me see the story as anything worth following.





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