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@  wonko the sane? : (18 November 2017 - 08:37 AM)

You won't be at school or work anymore... so mitigated success.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2017 - 05:21 PM)

Just don't try to plug yourself into an outlet. It won't end well.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2017 - 04:57 PM)

Trying to stay awake at work or school is a lot like using your controller when it's on low battery

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

If you're used to doing it with tabs, that makes sense. It doesn't feel weird for me.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:28 AM)

Also, it just feels weird if switching between webpages uses the same actions as switching between programs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:21 AM)

I switch between different things on the browser and click on various plugins and stuff far more often than switching from program to program.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 10:19 AM)

Yeah I'm mostly just venting from frustration rather than trying to convince anyone, though @NotVeryNightly I will point out that the windows for the other programs I'm running are at the bottom of the screen as well.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 10:09 AM)

Tabs are on the top, near the address bar, browser tools, plugins and whatnot so the cursor will be there frequently anyway. Switching windows would require going down the screen.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 10:03 AM)

I mean, you do you. No bigs. You've just got a fairly unique stance that surprised me.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 09:54 AM)

I haven't seen words on the bottom bar of the screen since XP.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:13 AM)

All of which is put on the point that I don't care if people want to use tabs, I just want the option to not have them present for me on my browser.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:12 AM)

@Shrug- A quick glance at the bottom of the screen shows me what is open and where. Load times are basically so trivial that the load indicator on a tab is something I didn't notice until you mentioned it. The "which instance is playing noise" is a fair point but has basically only really been approaching meaningful for me maybe twice in all the time tabs have existed.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:07 AM)

@NotveryKnightly- I have never encountered a situation where that is true, especially given that tabs are on the other side of the screen to the other things I'm switching through.

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 09:06 AM)

@ Nevermore- The windows at the bottom have the names of the websites on them, presuming you don't collapse them.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:08 AM)

Geez, this is reminding me of the awful pre-tab days.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

I can look at the tab to see if it hasn't finished loading yet. Now you can see which tab is playing sound, so no need to hunt through windows to find a video ad that started playing.

@  Shrug : (17 November 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And a quick glance lets me know whats open and where. No clicking multiple windows hunting for something. No waiting for some window preview to pop up (which wasn't available when tabs first started.)

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 November 2017 - 06:03 AM)

Switching between tabs is way quicker than between windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:09 AM)

It's like having a clear structore with sub-directores, instead of just having all files on your computer stored in one giant directory.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:08 AM)

This way, I can switch between windows and then select the tab, instead of always trying to remember which window is for which website.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:07 AM)

I find one browser window with multiple tabs a lot easier to handle alongside other windows than multiple browser windows alongside other windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

I find multiple tabs a lot more comfortable than multiple windows.

@  Nevermore : (17 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

erm... no?

@  Pennpenn : (17 November 2017 - 03:26 AM)

On mobile devices and whatever I understand why tabs would be a thing, but on a full desktop browser it's just- "Hey, here's a thing that's kind of like opening a new window, but objectively worse in every practical way"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 November 2017 - 01:41 AM)

Someone remind me again: which versions of the CW Hot Spot mold did not suffer from bad hip ratcheting?

@  BlackMax : (16 November 2017 - 06:33 PM)

Holy crap I just pushed the F11 key for the first time on a keyboard since about 1994.

@  Shrug : (16 November 2017 - 01:11 PM)

tabs being wretched bs is definitely an opinion I've never seen before

@  RC85747 : (16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM)

Vivaldi lets you hide the tab bar

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM)

Yeah but that gets rid of everything else as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (16 November 2017 - 07:33 AM)

Hit F11 Pennpenn

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:15 AM)

I get that people like tabs. Fine. Whatever. I just detest the fact that most current browsers don't let you have the option of just hiding the bar away so I don't have to even think about the wretched bullshit things.

@  Pennpenn : (16 November 2017 - 04:06 AM)

Does anyone know of a browser that doesn't force tabs on you? Just... any sodding browser that doesn't have tabs.

@  Telly : (16 November 2017 - 01:59 AM)

being mostly wrong is better than being TOTALLY wrong!

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@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 08:24 PM)

I really hope so. All of my high school drawings and notes (Hand-written notes! God, I'm old.) from girls are in a chest in the attic of my parents house. I'll check when I visit!

@  MEDdMI : (15 November 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Do you still have those drawings?

@  BlackMax : (15 November 2017 - 06:31 PM)

I think lesbian ninjas is just an unmitigated good idea. *shrug*

@  Devcon : (15 November 2017 - 05:56 PM)

well, that and Balloon Doggies, Mr secretary

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:12 PM)

It's my crowning Allspark achievement! You're welcome.

@  Strafe : (15 November 2017 - 04:05 PM)

"Someone" being me. No mystery to it, I used to draw a lot during class when I was in high school. I came up with lesbian ninjas, which were a specialized team of assassins with amazing hair and impeccable style. I scanned some of my drawings and mentioned them a few times on the ezboard 17 years ago, and people seemed to like the idea.

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Thanks in any case!

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 01:05 PM)

Oh, wow. That is ages ago. 

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:03 PM)

ages ago meaning when the spark was still on ezboard

@  Telly : (15 November 2017 - 01:02 PM)

i think maybe it was part of a title of a movie someone posted ages ago and the "lesbian ninja" part stood out and people just latched on to it. please note this is possibly totally and completely wrong cause my memory is terrible anymore

@  Copper Bezel : (15 November 2017 - 12:11 PM)

I don't think it's a fandom thing, I think it's an Allspark thing. Or that's been my perception. Mayhem has some lesbian ninja regulars now but I think the reference is much older. = ] 

@  Robowang : (15 November 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Who knows. I always thought it was stupid.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 November 2017 - 10:31 AM)

What is this fandom's deal with lesbian ninjas? Is it some fantheory about Nightbird or something?

@  OrionPax44 : (15 November 2017 - 08:26 AM)

Huh my phone didn't even alert me for some reason. Guess it only does on the Mayhem Discord Hangouts??

@  BlackMax : (14 November 2017 - 09:41 PM)

Telly, you are FIRED as my PR agent. :D

@  Telly : (14 November 2017 - 09:05 PM)

you all dont know what you missed. there was fun. there were games. lesbian ninjas. tang and even a couple human sacrifices.

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#1 Kalidor



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:37 PM

Hey everyone - we're about to reach that time again where computer old age is catching up with us. 


We've had a good run for the several years since our previous update after a disaster and I'm actually pretty happy with the uptime we've had thus far. Aside from a few glitches here and there that were quickly resolved, we've had a solid run. 


What we're seeing now is the aging of the software and the need for a few more hardware add-ons to make things run even smoother, as well as easier to upgrade.


Before I get into the specifics of what we need and what it's going to cost (Still working out the best possible way) I want to get some feedback.



Several of you have prompted me to start another one and I told you I would when the time was right, but before I even do that I want to get some feedback on what you want to get out of it.


My first big question is in terms of rewards. A lot of drives have had perks and benefits - would you like to see something like that or just do a straight run to the finish line to get as much out of the contributions as possible?


Examples would be T-Shirts or mugs or posters or something of that nature. It can be done, but in doing so it does offset the actual amount used for the updates by a certain margin. But at the same time, I'd like you guys to feel like you're definitely getting something out of it besides new stuff you can't see first hand (Only the benefits it will present)


And of course we can still do things like "Supporter" ranks and maybe even spread them out.


Patreon is definitely something I'm going to move to in the future, but that will have to wait until I have the tools to truly maximize our potential and future. 


With things getting better in terms of traffic and content, and the knowledge that some of this stuff is getting outdated (We've been on this message board platform since 2006, through various upgrades, but it is no longer supported by the creators) it's time to up our game.


All thoughts are welcome - and remember, nobody is ever required to contribute anything. Just having you here enough makes this place great. But for those who can, every little bit helps.


Let me know what you think. 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:51 PM

I think the only reward needed outside of the place existing should be the Supporter title for the very cost offset reasons you mention. Rewards should only come into play for a Patreon setup, not the initial drive itself. As far as what I want out of it, just the site and forum is all I expect. Add ons are probably more trouble than they're worth. I will say be wary with the upgrade since some site/forum software doesn't seem all that good.

#3 Maruten

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:51 PM

Personally I think rewards are unnecessary. The Supporter badges are nice, I love those (why did I join the staff?!) and I think diluting the money to hand out gaudy trinkets is unnecessary. 


But plenty of people may love those trinkets, and enjoy showing off their love of the Allspark more widely. So we'll see how everyone else feels. 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 08:56 PM

Physical rewards seems like it could be a risk money-wise. Shipping costs can be a hidden problem.


It'd be better to stick to digital stuff. The supporter thing was a decent enough idea the first time.

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#5 Darth Irian

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:00 PM

I'm with these guys as rewards seem unnecessary, but if we're talking about new Allspark Tee's I do think it's long overdue :D My old T is fading out and is rather snug these days.

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:49 PM

Wholly separate from the idea of rewards, I think having a shop to buy Allspark swag would be a great idea. Pay x dollars, get a t-shirt, or a mug, or whatever, and a percentage of every purchase goes to supporting the site.

#7 DarkeklawGW


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:15 PM

Greg, is there any chance that supporters could get a version of Battle Protocol (If it still even exists) as a reward in a digital format.  I think since it's something that Already Existed and you could supply it as a PDF and not everyone got a chance to get it the BotCon we worked on it...  Maybe if there's a copy that exists somewhere that could be turned into a PDF and emailed to those who supported the fund drive.... That way it would be something that you didn't have to spend money on... and a Perk people could get that would be Allpsark Unique.  Basically a second chance to grab something we as a community worked on. 

If no copy is available I understand that.  Was just trying to think of a cool perk that wouldn't run up your costs. 

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#8 Kalidor



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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:29 PM

I have a complete copy of the original so that is certainly a viable reward option. Good suggestions! Keep them coming. 

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Posted 19 July 2017 - 10:42 PM

I've never been a big fan of spending the money we get in a fundraiser to buy stuff other than what we're fundraising for.


Conversely, I've always figured we should have an Allspark store. I'd buy a t-shirt or something - especially in this beautiful Classic Purple.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 11:52 PM

I like the idea of a shop aside from the fundraiser.  Wouldn't mind picking up an Allspark mug to show off next to my Autobot/Decepticon mug.  Maybe have it done somewhere that allows customization options, like printing our screen name on it or something.


#11 Confuzor


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 01:17 AM

I have no problem donating to keep this place movin.

I too would dig a purchasable-whenever Allspark shirt to buy with actual human-money.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 02:16 AM

yeah I'm all for the fundraiser money only going to the goal of having funds raised. 


but that store idea is also a neat way to get additional funding and let us walk around town in Allsparkle t-shirts XD 

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 03:34 AM

I don't need more physical trinkets/clothing I barely wear. I'd rather the money goes straight to the site and any reward be of the kind that doesn't cost additional funds to produce.

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#14 MEDdMI


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 05:54 AM

I don't *need* anything special, but I would love to see an Allsparkle theme for this site! Though I get that won't appeal to everyone. :D

A store seperate from fundraising sounds good. Tee Public seems like a decent site. They pay a commission per shirt sold-eg buyer pays $20 for a T-shirt, $4 goes to the designer. The designer can offer multiple background colors for apparel, and also offer the print on mugs, stickers, phone cases, etc. They're sold shirt by shirt, so the buyer can choose the fit they want on the background color they want without worrying if it's in stock. Sizes range from S to 2XL. I want to see if I can come up with a fun Allspark-related shirt design now!

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#15 Gizmoboy


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:58 AM

This is great feedback everyone.  Honestly, I was one that though people might like the "swag" as a reward.  The idea of doing something on the digital side as a reward instead of something physical to help keep the money for just the server is a great idea.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 10:09 AM

Well if you have any of those allspark cyber keys left.. could be a way to unload them.

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 12:12 PM

I would still absolutely buy an Allspark Cyber key; I never did get a shot at those before. A Cyber key-shaped keychain in purple anodized aluminum would be cooler still.

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#18 Zamuel


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 12:43 PM

As someone who wasn't here at that time, what exactly were the Allspark Cyber Keys?

#19 Copper Bezel

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Posted 20 July 2017 - 01:10 PM

Like Transformers: Cybertron cyber keys, fully functional ones that could trigger the toy gimmicks and everything, but with a unique design and using the Allspark logo as the emblem.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?


Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

#20 Gizmoboy


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 01:58 PM

The Allspark Cyberkey was never released... yet. ;)

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