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@  Maximus Ambus : (23 September 2020 - 01:20 PM)

@Bass X0 Shockwave did it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 11:56 AM)

At least it's not Suntwerker.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

I read that name as "suntweaker" the first time, and was terrified for a moment...

@  Bass X0 : (23 September 2020 - 03:41 AM)

Prowl did nothing wrong.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 01:50 AM)

Smashy, Stabby, Selfy, and Shieldy.

@  Xero Prime : (22 September 2020 - 08:52 PM)

RunFast, MuckyTrail, TrackBreaker and Sunstreaker

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 September 2020 - 06:16 AM)

Runamuck, Fasttrack, Sunstreaker, and Trailbreaker.

@  Nevermore : (22 September 2020 - 06:13 AM)

Cardboard and plastic.

@  Paladin : (22 September 2020 - 05:52 AM)

what's IN Wave 3, anyway?

@  Telly : (21 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

i dont think theyre due for release until november. at least thats when target says ill get trailbreaker and sunstreaker. thought the wiki says theyre out in singapore

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 September 2020 - 06:01 PM)

Has wave 3 actually reached anywhere yet?

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 September 2020 - 04:40 PM)

A few more Bearimy's for Earthrise wave 3 to reach the UK

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 05:07 PM)

Cheers pal.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2020 - 04:42 PM)

Welcome aboard!

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 04:38 PM)

Hey, new to the boards

@  RichardT1977 : (20 September 2020 - 02:29 PM)

I had an idea for a Spiral Zone/Go-Busters crossover fanfic...

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:18 PM

Inspired by Spacewarp's BotCon fiction re-read, I have made a dedicated thread for discussing all things Shattered Glass: mainline SG, Shattered Expectations, SG Animated, Epilogue Two, etc. What did you like about it, what did you not like about it, would you like to see Shattered Glass in some form in the future?

 

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"One Generation Shattered" by Alex Milne

 

Previous discussion threads:

 

Transhuman

Coalescence

 

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 1

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 2

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 3

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 4

 

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 1 in TCC #49

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 2 in TCC #50

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 3 in TCC #51

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 4 in TCC #52

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 5 in TCC #53

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 6 in TCC #54

 

Another Light Prologue in TCC #60

Another Light Chapter 1 in TCC #61

Another Light Chapter 2 in TCC #62

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #63

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #64

Another Light Chapter 5 in TCC #65

Another Light Chapter 6 in TCC #66


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:47 PM

I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:03 PM

It was a good concept that was kinda run into the ground

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:09 PM

I want to see Shattered Glass pop up in a cartoon one of these days. I NEED to hear Peter Cullen cackling like a madman about how DOOMED the foolish Decepticons are.



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:29 PM

For the most part I really loved the storyline & concepts I can't say I enjoyed Prime getting increasingly smaller & less imposing figures. I also would have liked to see him stay the villain, but oddly I can't say that I didn't like the Nova Prime direction. Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:48 PM

Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

"Considered" is an arbitrary term. The FP people were thinking of ideas all the time.

But to the point you're making, PeteCon also revealed that SG Metalhawk, Ratchet, Rollbar, Swindle, and Trailbreaker were early ideas for BotCon 2011, when the theme was SG vs. Classics. When the tentative theme became Beast Wars Shattered Glass, SG versions of Megatron, Ravage, Dinobot, Waspinator, Ramulus, Quickstrike, and Ultra Mammoth were considered.

And the concepts panel at BotCon 2014 revealed SG Stranglehold.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:48 PM

Not making Pretender Dirge a bug who jumped out of a robot was a shameful lapse in judgment.



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:54 PM

Shattered Glass kinda reminds me of some of Geoff Johns ideas, where they're neat at first but then used so much you just get tired of them.

 

I mean, I like the prose, but really....it got tiring after a while, and it's at its beast when its just more about making fun of TF tropes than "the battle ground of the multiverse" stuff.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:09 AM



I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.

 

Agreed, though Jazz is a bit of a special case - he was kept similar because he had a toy in the boxset and they were trying to provide a "Classics" Jazz (SG was 2008, Reveal the Shield Jazz was until 2010). So they basically short-shifted the fiction at the expense of selling the boxset.

 

I'll add that I didn't like the characters who simply had the color schemes of their other-faction counterpart - Grimlock having a Trypticon color scheme, or Starscream having a Jetfire color scheme, for example. The Technobots and Terrorcons just switching color schemes struck me as extremely lazy. The best ones were guys like Optimus or Rodimus, who had fully unique decos that felt like what an opposite version of that character might choose, or using an obscure alt color scheme, like Thundercracker.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:19 AM

Something I always wondered.

 

SG Dinobot.

 

Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 01:11 AM

Something I always wondered.
 
SG Dinobot.
 
Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?

"Coalescence" states that on the Predacon side, Scorponok, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Scavenger, Waspinator, plus the extradimensional Depth Charge survived Earth. Megatron, Terrorsaur, and Dinobot from "Shattered Destiny" are nowhere to be seen. On the Maximal side, Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Rhinox survived. Whatever went down is left to our imaginations, I guess.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 03:12 AM

I will never forgive SG Waspinator not being a Terminator expy.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:12 AM

I honestly love Shattered Glass. It was actually the first BotCon fiction I ever heard of back when I was younger, and I dug the concept enough to track down the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror."

SG also inspired one of the first projects I tried to do on the internet, a Super Smash Bros. machinima called "Smashed Glass" (I was 11 and very unoriginal), which would've seen Pit travel to a mirror version of the SSB world.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:00 AM

I don't think Shattered Glass was "run into the ground", but it did have a few stories where it seemed to have lost its way. The best part of Shattered Glass was that it was fun. It could go dark and creepy, but there was always a quick 180 degree play on something G1 that put a smile back on your face... Or made you groan knowingly. lol.

 

But for some of the stories in the middle of its run, it seemed to get mired or bogged down in its own plot. Or it tried to do too much, making the stories a slog to work through and the characters paper thin and the character quirks that made the mirror-versions a joy were reduced to caricatures or tropes. If they even had any dialog or focus at all. I tried to bring the fun back into it with "Another Light" and "Coalescence", so hopefully that worked for at least a few readers. Even given the direction to include the 1986 movie stuff, I tried to find an interesting way to flip most of those scenes - I do think there was a mistake in those though with the scene where Rodimus drops the gun for Galvatron. That was just too on-the-nose.

 

And then Epilogue 2... Eh. I have mixed feelings about that one. I actually really rather like a negative polarity Axiom Nexus and negative polarity Multiverse existing elsewhere. Trying to cram the set-up into a page and three panels though made the writing cumbersome. And the intro of the negative Sunbow universe is just slapped on at the end. So I guess I'm glad the concept got established, but I have almost zero pride in the execution (of the story telling).


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:11 AM

I just want confirmation that Black Convoy/Scourge could easily whip SG Optimus' skidplate.

Also, I am SO thankful for Shattered Glass (and Walky, of course) for bringing an official Batbot into reality and a part of my collection.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:18 AM

I always pictured it that SG Optimus was still a little more librarian than fighter, so a one-on-one engagement would probably result in Scourge being the winner.

 

But I'm not sure SG Optimus would ever even get into such a fight; he'd probably put machinations in motion so that he could try to eliminate Scourge without ever meeting him on a battlefield.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:44 AM

I like how SG Starscream can hop on one leg in leg mode.

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#18 Xaaron

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:31 AM

How else would he do it...?



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:45 AM

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?

 

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:51 AM

I remember being disappointed by SG Drift not being a stereotypical anime fan.

Also what Spacewarp said. It was fun as its own side thing. Once it became A BATTLE BEYOND GOOD, BEYOND EVIL, BEYOND YOUR WILDEST IMAGINATION I just checked out.

That being said...I dug the "ending" that paid homage to TFTM. Crazy SG Optimus becoming wise and enlightened Nova was interesting, and the ending was, for the most part, a nice way to wrap it all up.
I just didn't care for all the universe hoping and EPIC MULTIUNIVERSAL SINGULARITY exposition/the Shroud stuff that it took to get there.

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?
 
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I don't think he changed bodies in the fiction. He just started calling himself "Rodimus Prime."

Edited by LordGigaIce, 18 July 2017 - 08:52 AM.

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