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[SHIELD Agent 47]

Inspired by Spacewarp's BotCon fiction re-read, I have made a dedicated thread for discussing all things Shattered Glass: mainline SG, Shattered Expectations, SG Animated, Epilogue Two, etc. What did you like about it, what did you not like about it, would you like to see Shattered Glass in some form in the future?

 

"One Generation Shattered" by Alex Milne

 

Previous discussion threads:

 

Transhuman

Coalescence

 

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 1

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 2

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 3

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 4

 

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 1 in TCC #49

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 2 in TCC #50

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 3 in TCC #51

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 4 in TCC #52

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 5 in TCC #53

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 6 in TCC #54

 

Another Light Prologue in TCC #60

Another Light Chapter 1 in TCC #61

Another Light Chapter 2 in TCC #62

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #63

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #64

Another Light Chapter 5 in TCC #65

Another Light Chapter 6 in TCC #66

Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 07 July 2019 - 01:27 AM.

[Sabrblade]

I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.

Edited by Sabrblade, 17 July 2017 - 10:48 PM.

[unluckiness]

It was a good concept that was kinda run into the ground

[Noideaforaname]

I want to see Shattered Glass pop up in a cartoon one of these days. I NEED to hear Peter Cullen cackling like a madman about how DOOMED the foolish Decepticons are.

[Twilight Noisemaze]

For the most part I really loved the storyline & concepts I can't say I enjoyed Prime getting increasingly smaller & less imposing figures. I also would have liked to see him stay the villain, but oddly I can't say that I didn't like the Nova Prime direction. Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

"Considered" is an arbitrary term. The FP people were thinking of ideas all the time.

But to the point you're making, PeteCon also revealed that SG Metalhawk, Ratchet, Rollbar, Swindle, and Trailbreaker were early ideas for BotCon 2011, when the theme was SG vs. Classics. When the tentative theme became Beast Wars Shattered Glass, SG versions of Megatron, Ravage, Dinobot, Waspinator, Ramulus, Quickstrike, and Ultra Mammoth were considered.

And the concepts panel at BotCon 2014 revealed SG Stranglehold.

Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 17 July 2017 - 11:51 PM.

[LV!]

Not making Pretender Dirge a bug who jumped out of a robot was a shameful lapse in judgment.

[Jenny]

Shattered Glass kinda reminds me of some of Geoff Johns ideas, where they're neat at first but then used so much you just get tired of them.

 

I mean, I like the prose, but really....it got tiring after a while, and it's at its beast when its just more about making fun of TF tropes than "the battle ground of the multiverse" stuff.

[Magnusblitz]

I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.

 

Agreed, though Jazz is a bit of a special case - he was kept similar because he had a toy in the boxset and they were trying to provide a "Classics" Jazz (SG was 2008, Reveal the Shield Jazz was until 2010). So they basically short-shifted the fiction at the expense of selling the boxset.

 

I'll add that I didn't like the characters who simply had the color schemes of their other-faction counterpart - Grimlock having a Trypticon color scheme, or Starscream having a Jetfire color scheme, for example. The Technobots and Terrorcons just switching color schemes struck me as extremely lazy. The best ones were guys like Optimus or Rodimus, who had fully unique decos that felt like what an opposite version of that character might choose, or using an obscure alt color scheme, like Thundercracker.

[MrBlud]

Something I always wondered.

 

SG Dinobot.

 

Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Something I always wondered.
 
SG Dinobot.
 
Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?

"Coalescence" states that on the Predacon side, Scorponok, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Scavenger, Waspinator, plus the extradimensional Depth Charge survived Earth. Megatron, Terrorsaur, and Dinobot from "Shattered Destiny" are nowhere to be seen. On the Maximal side, Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Rhinox survived. Whatever went down is left to our imaginations, I guess.

Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 18 July 2017 - 01:11 AM.

[Broadside]

I will never forgive SG Waspinator not being a Terminator expy.

[Daniel Adkins]

I honestly love Shattered Glass. It was actually the first BotCon fiction I ever heard of back when I was younger, and I dug the concept enough to track down the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror."

SG also inspired one of the first projects I tried to do on the internet, a Super Smash Bros. machinima called "Smashed Glass" (I was 11 and very unoriginal), which would've seen Pit travel to a mirror version of the SSB world.

[NightViper]

I don't think Shattered Glass was "run into the ground", but it did have a few stories where it seemed to have lost its way. The best part of Shattered Glass was that it was fun. It could go dark and creepy, but there was always a quick 180 degree play on something G1 that put a smile back on your face... Or made you groan knowingly. lol.

 

But for some of the stories in the middle of its run, it seemed to get mired or bogged down in its own plot. Or it tried to do too much, making the stories a slog to work through and the characters paper thin and the character quirks that made the mirror-versions a joy were reduced to caricatures or tropes. If they even had any dialog or focus at all. I tried to bring the fun back into it with "Another Light" and "Coalescence", so hopefully that worked for at least a few readers. Even given the direction to include the 1986 movie stuff, I tried to find an interesting way to flip most of those scenes - I do think there was a mistake in those though with the scene where Rodimus drops the gun for Galvatron. That was just too on-the-nose.

 

And then Epilogue 2... Eh. I have mixed feelings about that one. I actually really rather like a negative polarity Axiom Nexus and negative polarity Multiverse existing elsewhere. Trying to cram the set-up into a page and three panels though made the writing cumbersome. And the intro of the negative Sunbow universe is just slapped on at the end. So I guess I'm glad the concept got established, but I have almost zero pride in the execution (of the story telling).

Edited by NightViper, 18 July 2017 - 07:01 AM.

[D Buster Prime]

I just want confirmation that Black Convoy/Scourge could easily whip SG Optimus' skidplate.

Also, I am SO thankful for Shattered Glass (and Walky, of course) for bringing an official Batbot into reality and a part of my collection.

[NightViper]

I always pictured it that SG Optimus was still a little more librarian than fighter, so a one-on-one engagement would probably result in Scourge being the winner.

 

But I'm not sure SG Optimus would ever even get into such a fight; he'd probably put machinations in motion so that he could try to eliminate Scourge without ever meeting him on a battlefield.

[Powered Convoy]

I like how SG Starscream can hop on one leg in leg mode.

[Xaaron]

How else would he do it...?

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

[LordGigaIce]

I remember being disappointed by SG Drift not being a stereotypical anime fan.

Also what Spacewarp said. It was fun as its own side thing. Once it became A BATTLE BEYOND GOOD, BEYOND EVIL, BEYOND YOUR WILDEST IMAGINATION I just checked out.

That being said...I dug the "ending" that paid homage to TFTM. Crazy SG Optimus becoming wise and enlightened Nova was interesting, and the ending was, for the most part, a nice way to wrap it all up.
I just didn't care for all the universe hoping and EPIC MULTIUNIVERSAL SINGULARITY exposition/the Shroud stuff that it took to get there.

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?
 
--LBD "Nytetrayn"

I don't think he changed bodies in the fiction. He just started calling himself "Rodimus Prime."

Edited by LordGigaIce, 18 July 2017 - 08:52 AM.