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@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."


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#1 SHIELD Agent 47

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:18 PM

Inspired by Spacewarp's BotCon fiction re-read, I have made a dedicated thread for discussing all things Shattered Glass: mainline SG, Shattered Expectations, SG Animated, Epilogue Two, etc. What did you like about it, what did you not like about it, would you like to see Shattered Glass in some form in the future?

 

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Previous discussion threads:

 

Transhuman

Coalescence

 

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 1

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 2

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 3

Spatiotemporal Challengers Part 4

 

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 1 in TCC #49

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 2 in TCC #50

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 3 in TCC #51

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 4 in TCC #52

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 5 in TCC #53

Beast Wars Shattered Glass Chapter 6 in TCC #54

 

Another Light Prologue in TCC #60

Another Light Chapter 1 in TCC #61

Another Light Chapter 2 in TCC #62

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #63

Another Light Chapter 4 in TCC #64

Another Light Chapter 5 in TCC #65

Another Light Chapter 6 in TCC #66


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 10:47 PM

I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:03 PM

It was a good concept that was kinda run into the ground

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:09 PM

I want to see Shattered Glass pop up in a cartoon one of these days. I NEED to hear Peter Cullen cackling like a madman about how DOOMED the foolish Decepticons are.



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:29 PM

For the most part I really loved the storyline & concepts I can't say I enjoyed Prime getting increasingly smaller & less imposing figures. I also would have liked to see him stay the villain, but oddly I can't say that I didn't like the Nova Prime direction. Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:48 PM

Was the only 3 shattered figures that were considered that we didn't get was Rodimus Prime, Bugly & Omega Doom right?

"Considered" is an arbitrary term. The FP people were thinking of ideas all the time.

But to the point you're making, PeteCon also revealed that SG Metalhawk, Ratchet, Rollbar, Swindle, and Trailbreaker were early ideas for BotCon 2011, when the theme was SG vs. Classics. When the tentative theme became Beast Wars Shattered Glass, SG versions of Megatron, Ravage, Dinobot, Waspinator, Ramulus, Quickstrike, and Ultra Mammoth were considered.

And the concepts panel at BotCon 2014 revealed SG Stranglehold.

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:48 PM

Not making Pretender Dirge a bug who jumped out of a robot was a shameful lapse in judgment.



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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:54 PM

Shattered Glass kinda reminds me of some of Geoff Johns ideas, where they're neat at first but then used so much you just get tired of them.

 

I mean, I like the prose, but really....it got tiring after a while, and it's at its beast when its just more about making fun of TF tropes than "the battle ground of the multiverse" stuff.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:09 AM



I personally prefer it when SG characters have different decos from their positive polarity counterparts. SG Jazz's keeping G1 Jazz deco just makes him look like G1 Jazz in a new body, one that just happens to have some not nice sponsor text on it. He even still has a "good guy" blue visor.

 

Agreed, though Jazz is a bit of a special case - he was kept similar because he had a toy in the boxset and they were trying to provide a "Classics" Jazz (SG was 2008, Reveal the Shield Jazz was until 2010). So they basically short-shifted the fiction at the expense of selling the boxset.

 

I'll add that I didn't like the characters who simply had the color schemes of their other-faction counterpart - Grimlock having a Trypticon color scheme, or Starscream having a Jetfire color scheme, for example. The Technobots and Terrorcons just switching color schemes struck me as extremely lazy. The best ones were guys like Optimus or Rodimus, who had fully unique decos that felt like what an opposite version of that character might choose, or using an obscure alt color scheme, like Thundercracker.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 12:19 AM

Something I always wondered.

 

SG Dinobot.

 

Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 01:11 AM

Something I always wondered.
 
SG Dinobot.
 
Was he going to betray the Predacons and join the Maximals? Or was the "twist" going to be that he wouldn't? Would another SG Predacon join the SG Maximals (Scorponok?) Would a Maximal join the Predacons?

"Coalescence" states that on the Predacon side, Scorponok, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Scavenger, Waspinator, plus the extradimensional Depth Charge survived Earth. Megatron, Terrorsaur, and Dinobot from "Shattered Destiny" are nowhere to be seen. On the Maximal side, Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Rhinox survived. Whatever went down is left to our imaginations, I guess.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 03:12 AM

I will never forgive SG Waspinator not being a Terminator expy.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:12 AM

I honestly love Shattered Glass. It was actually the first BotCon fiction I ever heard of back when I was younger, and I dug the concept enough to track down the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror."

SG also inspired one of the first projects I tried to do on the internet, a Super Smash Bros. machinima called "Smashed Glass" (I was 11 and very unoriginal), which would've seen Pit travel to a mirror version of the SSB world.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:00 AM

I don't think Shattered Glass was "run into the ground", but it did have a few stories where it seemed to have lost its way. The best part of Shattered Glass was that it was fun. It could go dark and creepy, but there was always a quick 180 degree play on something G1 that put a smile back on your face... Or made you groan knowingly. lol.

 

But for some of the stories in the middle of its run, it seemed to get mired or bogged down in its own plot. Or it tried to do too much, making the stories a slog to work through and the characters paper thin and the character quirks that made the mirror-versions a joy were reduced to caricatures or tropes. If they even had any dialog or focus at all. I tried to bring the fun back into it with "Another Light" and "Coalescence", so hopefully that worked for at least a few readers. Even given the direction to include the 1986 movie stuff, I tried to find an interesting way to flip most of those scenes - I do think there was a mistake in those though with the scene where Rodimus drops the gun for Galvatron. That was just too on-the-nose.

 

And then Epilogue 2... Eh. I have mixed feelings about that one. I actually really rather like a negative polarity Axiom Nexus and negative polarity Multiverse existing elsewhere. Trying to cram the set-up into a page and three panels though made the writing cumbersome. And the intro of the negative Sunbow universe is just slapped on at the end. So I guess I'm glad the concept got established, but I have almost zero pride in the execution (of the story telling).


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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:11 AM

I just want confirmation that Black Convoy/Scourge could easily whip SG Optimus' skidplate.

Also, I am SO thankful for Shattered Glass (and Walky, of course) for bringing an official Batbot into reality and a part of my collection.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:18 AM

I always pictured it that SG Optimus was still a little more librarian than fighter, so a one-on-one engagement would probably result in Scourge being the winner.

 

But I'm not sure SG Optimus would ever even get into such a fight; he'd probably put machinations in motion so that he could try to eliminate Scourge without ever meeting him on a battlefield.



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 07:44 AM

I like how SG Starscream can hop on one leg in leg mode.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:31 AM

How else would he do it...?



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:45 AM

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?

 

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 08:51 AM

I remember being disappointed by SG Drift not being a stereotypical anime fan.

Also what Spacewarp said. It was fun as its own side thing. Once it became A BATTLE BEYOND GOOD, BEYOND EVIL, BEYOND YOUR WILDEST IMAGINATION I just checked out.

That being said...I dug the "ending" that paid homage to TFTM. Crazy SG Optimus becoming wise and enlightened Nova was interesting, and the ending was, for the most part, a nice way to wrap it all up.
I just didn't care for all the universe hoping and EPIC MULTIUNIVERSAL SINGULARITY exposition/the Shroud stuff that it took to get there.

Did we ever get to see SG Rodimus become Rodimus Prime? Which mold was used for that, if so?
 
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I don't think he changed bodies in the fiction. He just started calling himself "Rodimus Prime."

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