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@  Bass X0 : (18 July 2019 - 07:54 AM)

Racism must be stopped. No matter the cost.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2019 - 07:49 AM)

Tine to stop buttering it up.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 July 2019 - 09:43 PM)

Well shucks.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 July 2019 - 08:14 PM)

The joke is a husk of its former self.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 01:15 PM)

Pop.

@  Shrug : (17 July 2019 - 10:15 AM)

Something something... corn bread?

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2019 - 07:21 AM)

Ok, ok. Enough of the puns and let's all thank Kal for the amaizeing job he did.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 06:24 AM)

by now I think this jokes' been creamed.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

The kernel.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

Who gives the orders in cybernetic warfare?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:59 PM)

Zea mays

@  Xellos : (16 July 2019 - 09:53 PM)

Isn't that a kernel of truth.

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 08:43 PM)

huh. suddenly the Squawk is popping.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 07:47 PM)

Not placing much stalk in this conversation.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 06:22 PM)

That's so corny.

@  Shrug : (16 July 2019 - 06:07 PM)

It's absurd how happy I am that a post of mine made the front page of Reddit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:46 PM)

Aww, shucks.

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:45 PM)

Not till I taste the corn

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 05:43 PM)

You guys aren't being very nice. You're supposed to tell me I did "good, really good!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:40 PM)

Just don't go beyond the rows.

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

Left over from the failed Beast Machines sequel, Beast Farmers

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

It's techno-organic corn

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:26 PM)

We have a cornfield? Can I get a few ears?

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:56 PM)

And lastly, if it becomes too much hassle to deal with - it might just get sent into the cornfield and replaced with a Discord box anyway. So cool it.

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Second thing is we do actually have the ability to ban users specifically from using Shoutbox if it's being abused like that

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Hey all - just a reminder and heads up. The Shoutbox has been kept here as a courtesy because it's what you folks like in lieu of Discord - but a few things to remember is that P&R should stay in P&R and isn't really something that needs to be dragged out here in the most public of spaces.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Done.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 10:25 AM)

You can make a new one. I doubt anybody would stop you.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 10:16 AM)

There was a thread but it appears to have disappeared. Might have been lost in one of the older forum sweeps.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 09:58 AM)

Yeah this is pretty much circumventing the fact that we have different rules for political talk.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2019 - 09:55 AM)

Okay, so, basically, can we not do politics in here anymore? I mean, considering how often @Nevermore, you talk about your work conditions, don't you think it's time for a dedicated thread in P&R?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:39 AM)

Scratch that; that's insulting to honest salads. Whatever that was was the text equivalent of hamburger.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:38 AM)

Would you like some dressing to go with your word salad?

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 09:34 AM)

yes; it now goes "shit piss hug *BLEEP* ^$@^ motherhuger **** turd fart encyclopedia & Socialism."

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:24 AM)

This is an American site, but isn't that unnecessarily severe language? IIRC it's one of the top four offensive pejoratives to English people

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 July 2019 - 08:52 AM)

It's amusing how so many (U.S.) wankers in this world love to whine "capitalism good socialism bad!" in the abstract while simultaneously pretending that megacorporations dominating de facto monopolies is anathema to the core capitalistic principle of competition benefits everyone.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 05:17 AM)

I know Shockwave's super mode is pretty lame and Magnus is kinda greebly but it's not that bad.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 July 2019 - 12:38 AM)

Though with the luck and caliber of leaders we've had of late in the darkest timeline, maybe it's too much to hope for.

@  TM2-Megatron : (16 July 2019 - 12:36 AM)

Just like democracy, it's not perfect but better than the present alternatives. Capitalism as it's practiced today won't be able to weather the coming wave of automation, though. Best to plan for it and hope for a gentle transition rather than the aforementioned collapse

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 12:27 AM)

Capitalism is the worst amiright? Sent from my iPhone

@  Vexwing : (15 July 2019 - 11:24 PM)

Because the collapse is gonna be just great.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 July 2019 - 10:41 PM)

Let's hope this is late stage and we're on the cusp of something better.

@  abates : (15 July 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Late stage capitalism is the absolute best.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 July 2019 - 01:33 PM)

So, welcome to all retail, everywhere.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 01:24 PM)

Oh, and Greenpeace also conducted a protest at a German Amazon facility, to protest against Amazon's practice of throwing customer returns in the trash.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 01:17 PM)

Right, because with Amazon, it's just the employees that have to step in dog shit while having no space to breathe.[/slightexaggeration]

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 July 2019 - 01:03 PM)

At least I can use Amazon without losing the ability to breath or step in dog shit.

@  RichardT1977 : (15 July 2019 - 12:58 PM)

Considering that Amazon is the new Walmart...

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 12:39 PM)

All of my best wishes go out to the brave women and men who have the balls (and ovaries) to go on strike at an Amazon facility in the US.

@  Nevermore : (15 July 2019 - 12:38 PM)

Speaking of. Not only are we in Germany on strike today, but so is the fulfillment center in Shakopee, Minnesota!


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#3881 Copper Bezel

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

Yeah, it's the same, old Basics. Randy to Clocker to Seaspray.

 

Edit: Like how the word "Deluxe" went away and came back during the UT, really. 


Edited by Copper Bezel, 10 December 2017 - 01:43 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 01:59 PM

"SuperCon" will be back. Just you watch!

(Or don't. Because it won't.)

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:29 PM

"Headmaster Base" will be back! We will get every artistic variant of Fortress Maximus as Titan Class figures!


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:35 PM

I hate saying "Legends Seaspray" and it being ambiguous, so I actually still say "Scout" sometimes, too. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:24 PM

So I was once a Voyager Scouting the Legends of the Supercons.  A totally Mega-Deluxe experience, if you could get past the Ultra-Leader pretensions of some of the crew.  A really Titan endeavor, a Super upgrade from our Supreme efforts of those Basic early days. Legions were sent out in those times...



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:26 PM

If those cards do have a market I might sell them as I get them, to offset some costs of the actual toys I want.

</jumps up and down waving arms wildly>

 

 

"SuperCon" will be back. Just you watch!

(Or don't. Because it won't.)

Awwwwww. I want MaxCon back just for the sheer, Homer Simpsonian ridiculousness of its sound.

 

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:28 PM

I tend to use the actual name of the class from its release when possible. Probably the only intentional exception would be the old Legends that are the equivalents of modern Legions.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:28 PM

So far I've got Alpha Trion Jazz, and I have the two Dinobots and the Prime Masters incoming, though I don't think they have the cards.  All the Legends are pre-ordered through Amazon, they CLAIM the 15th, dunno about that.

 

And MaxCon sounds like something Swindle would run.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:56 PM

I think "Scout" sounds like a better name for that particular class price point, because (a) that's what a lot of the characters in that relative size were considered to be back in the days of G1, and (b) "Legends" is the name of the entire line in Japan so that leads to potential confusion.



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:04 PM

Yeah it was "Legends" when we were getting Optimus, Starscream, Megatron, etc. Now that it's just all Minicars and Insecticons, we can get a new name any time.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:08 PM

Also a valid point, yeah, the whole reason for branding it as such came out of the Cyberverse / Legion / whatever tangle (and I love that both of those names mean other things now but whatever) and has jack all to do with a price point of figures that, by all rights, are "scouts" in the way that Voyagers are "voyagers" and Leaders are "leaders", which is to say, that those are the price points that tend to contain such things in some chess-y interpretation of hierarchical scale. (Leaving Deluxes aside because the name is older than both Generations in its broadest possible sense, and the majority of its consumers.)


Edited by Copper Bezel, 10 December 2017 - 06:09 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:10 PM

I think "Scout" sounds like a better name for that particular class price point, because (a) that's what a lot of the characters in that relative size were considered to be back in the days of G1, and (b) "Legends" is the name of the entire line in Japan so that leads to potential confusion.

 

Yeah, "Scout" is an intuitive term.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:39 PM

I've never experienced a pre-Legends/Deluxe/Voyager/Leader era, but Scout seems like nonsense to me. Basic makes much more sense. 

 

Voyager and Leader are fairly rubbish as well. But Basic and Deluxe go well together. 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:40 PM

When they first introduced the size class names they were all fairly generic and obviously just based on toy size.  It only started to get weird after Armada switched them up to match with the core gimmick that just went away when they got a new core gimmick.  But I imagine they don't want to use "basic" anymore for the same reason they stopped calling non-peanut m&ms plain.

 

Fast forward to now and non-generations product has so many pricepoints that even Hasbro can't keep their own names straight anymore.

 


Edited by Shrug, 10 December 2017 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:44 PM

Yeah, it's really unavoidable, "Basic" just doesn't sound like a positive selling point, it sounds like you're advertising what you're not getting there.

 

I've never experienced a pre-Legends/Deluxe/Voyager/Leader era, but Scout seems like nonsense to me. Basic makes much more sense. 

 

Voyager and Leader are fairly rubbish as well. But Basic and Deluxe go well together. 

 

Basic and Deluxe were coined together in Beast Wars, followed by Mega (Voyager-ish?), Ultra, Super (Leader-ish?), and eventually Supreme (still smaller than Titan) price points. 

 

"Voyager" and "Leader" don't make sense with "Deluxe", but they definitely fit into a theme with "Scout".

 

Edit: I'd personally accept In-Training ($10), Rookie ($20), Champion ($30), Ultimate ($50), and Mega ($150).


Edited by Copper Bezel, 10 December 2017 - 06:45 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:54 PM

I really like Scout as a name over Legends, and hope it makes a comeback!

But the size whose name I find the silliest is Voyager. I mean when you really think about it how does Voyager relate to the size class? Bots who are bigger than a Deluxe are better at traveling? I guesss...? Doesnt really make sense.

Scout -> Deluxe -> Ultra -> Leader -> Titan
feels like a better progression imo. (or Mega instead of Ultra) If you want to keep the V and the made up class title sounding name, then maybe Vanguard or soemthing like that?

 

The notion that the proportions "don't fit Starscream's character" kind of strike me as odd because G1 Starscream has never had a design that fits his character. He's a sniveling, self-important character whose design comes from a robot designed to be a typical heroic robot, because that's what the Diaclone toy was designed as, and every design afterwards just adopted that. The only Starscream design that was designed towards what media classically associates with Starscream traits is Prime, and to a lesser extent Animated, which give him a silhouette that compliments how shifty and kraven he is.
 
POTP Prime just doubles down on G1 Starscream's powerful anime robot look, so essentially it just built off of what was already there.

 
Are you suggesting that shifty scientists can't hit the gym and get swole, bro?  :-P
 
no, I'm saying popular media tends not to associate those two things with each other when figuring out how to have character design reflect personality.
The way popular media tends to associate being shifty and villainous with being thin and effeminate is just standard queer coding. Like Prime Starscream even has heels! Lol
I like it when media does the opposite: the heroic looking dude (PotP and most G1 Starscreams) is secretly evil and backstabbing. I do wish they did more of its theoretical counterpart and not have every guy thats a hero be super hypermasculine and have a hero thats queer coded. That would be cool to see.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

I hate saying "Legends Seaspray" and it being ambiguous, so I actually still say "Scout" sometimes, too. 

Legends Legends Seapsray (Seaspray).



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 07:01 PM

I really like Scout as a name over Legends, and hope it makes a comeback!

But the size whose name I find the silliest is Voyager. I mean when you really think about it how does Voyager relate to the size class? Bots who are bigger than a Deluxe are better at traveling? I guesss...? Doesnt really make sense.

Scout -> Deluxe -> Ultra -> Leader -> Titan
feels like a better progression imo. (or Mega instead of Ultra) If you want to keep the V and the made up class title sounding name, then maybe Vanguard or soemthing like that?

Well, the first-ever Voyager was Classics Optimus Prime. It was a weird name, but kinda made sense in some stretchy way that associated larger vehicles with longer hauls. If there was scale in Transformers, it might make a kind of sense. 

 

And to think of it, RiD solves the problem going the other direction to get a set of size classes that work together coherently:

 

Scout -> Warrior -> Voyager -> Leader -> Titan


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 07:04 PM

I like how Legion/Commander/Scout/Voyager/Leader all loosely imply a role. Not perfect by any means, but when you first jump into the brand it establishes something resembling order across all the billion+ toys floating about. Same with the factions, really... and add those two together and you can start off making rivalries. Even that cheap little gift toy automatically comes with a purpose!



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Posted 10 December 2017 - 07:12 PM

Every time I see UT Megatron's toy wiki page, I have to force myself to remember the difference between the Hasbro Super Class Energon toy and the Takara Ultra  Class Super Link toy. That page could really use a comparison image.

 

EDIT: Damn, I can't even remember which way it goes.


Edited by SHIELD Agent 47, 10 December 2017 - 07:13 PM.

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