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@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I'm also only reading the trades. So I'm still missing... two volumes that are currently only available as hardcovers? Three?

@  Trpodeca : (17 January 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Astro City is great. Since I only read the trades, there probably won't be a big change for me.

@  ZakuConvoy : (17 January 2019 - 05:34 PM)

I have. Great series. Hopefully the transition to OGNs will be a smooth one.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 07:20 AM)

Anyone here reading Kurt Busiek's Astro City?

@  Verity Carlo : (16 January 2019 - 01:12 PM)

https://sites.google...ations---part-1awwwww shit

@  Benbot : (16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Remember the Noid? He steals pizzas!

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:47 AM)

That said, the old "Nester" character from Nintendo Power IS owned by Nintendo, and I could see a homage in there

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:46 AM)

Because technically DiC created the character, Nintendo does not own him.

@  Paladin : (16 January 2019 - 10:28 AM)

sidebar- why is "Captain N" not in Smash yet? that seems like such an easy option.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2019 - 09:18 AM)

The 90's mario cartoons had exactly three character aspects to work with: fat, italian and plumber. He wasn't exactly wrenching pipes in every episode, so they had to do something...

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2019 - 07:31 AM)

It's in another castle.

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:24 AM)

i HOpE sHe mADe LotSA SPAGHETTI

@  Locoman : (16 January 2019 - 06:17 AM)

Mario, wherever you are, HEEEEEEEELP!

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:07 AM)

That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario *wheeze*

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2019 - 02:24 AM)

It's too hot here.

@  Echowarrior : (15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM)

I liked the Super Mario Brothers Super Show the best myself.

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There's always the three Mario cartoons DiC made back in the 80s.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 09:48 PM)

So they could make a show that everyone would scream was an adventure time knockoff? I get what you're saying, but I can't see it being well received.

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.


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#41 LV!

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

Suddenly scrapping everything to do with the franchise based on one break-even movie would be a wild overreaction. I think this is actually a pretty good place, in a way, for TF to be faltering at the box office. If Bay really is stepping away, and Bee Movie does well, then Paramount sees there's still a market for TF without going purse in hand to Bay's house for the next main sequel.

 

If Bee Movie is a flop too, then I can easily see us getting a few years off, and probably a reboot, a result to which my personal response largely depends on the TF designs. I'd like to say I have faith that they'd never try to trot out big cartoon Dery designs on a movie screen, but reboot desperation does a lot of things.

 

Speaking of reboots: Transformers made all its money as an action-movie franchise. That's what they'd be rebooting it as. I think there's this weird idea among certain segments of the fandom that a reboot would suddenly get us a movie that's all about robots having conversations, and there's no way - the robots cost way too much for that right off the bat, even if you ignore that that's not what audiences go see. (Those of you who are about to insist that's not true are welcome to list the top-grossing non-Disney movies without a principally human cast.)



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:09 PM

Some how Bumblebee will be the 2019 Concept Camaro.  Won't make sense in the story, but it doesn't have to.  ;)

 

I'm only half joking with the above, but I do hope they make a nice var mode choice.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:12 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:19 PM

If you look at the box office trend of the last 3 movies domestically, the shrinking amount of shelf space at retail, the declining numbers at the newsstand and the waning interest overseas, actually it is far from an overreaction.

Everyone seems to be forgetting one thing. Paramount has had a series of flops. You really think thy are gonna invest hundreds of millions of dollars in to a franchise that is clearly on the decline in its current format? I would actually be extremely surprised if things continued on as is as opposed to a major course correction. Audiences have finally caught on. The live action movies since RoTF are awful and not kid friendly. Time for a complete overhaul.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:24 PM

Paramount has had a series of flops.


Can you elaborate for someone not familiar with the general movie scene? (as in, me)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:25 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

 

They clearly could do more with the Transformers in terms of characterization and personality with the screen time they have, if it were a priority for Bay. They're often just there, in the background, hanging around, while the humans talk among themselves. By taking advantage of all of the TFs' screentime and including vehicle-mode dialogue, I don't think there's any question you could make them more fully-realized characters.

 

That doesn't mean the movies are suddenly going to be movies about the TFs hanging out with no humans, though.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:33 PM



Everyone seems to be forgetting one thing. Paramount has had a series of flops. You really think thy are gonna invest hundreds of millions of dollars in to a franchise that is clearly on the decline in its current format?

It's true, you can't look at this in a vacuum.  The more expensive movies that Paramount's released this year have underperformed or flat out failed.

 

We've got:

Baywatch (didn't make back budget)

Ghost in the Shell (underperformed)

Monster Trucks (underperformed, but predictions were all over the place on it anyway)

 

Rings and xXx: Return of Xander Cage performed fine, mostly since Rings was relatively cheap to make in the first place and xXx was marketed pretty well and riding off the return of Vin Diesel.

 

If we get into 2016, we've also got the underperformance of Star Trek Beyond, TMNT Out of the Shadows, 13 Hours, Allied, Zoolander 2 (no production budget released, but it made less than $60 million), Ben Hur remake, etc.  Almost every film Paramount released last year underperformed or failed, with rare exceptions.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:35 PM

Ah, thanks.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:38 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

 
They clearly could do more with the Transformers in terms of characterization and personality with the screen time they have, if it were a priority for Bay. They're often just there, in the background, hanging around, while the humans talk among themselves. By taking advantage of all of the TFs' screentime and including vehicle-mode dialogue, I don't think there's any question you could make them more fully-realized characters.
 
That doesn't mean the movies are suddenly going to be movies about the TFs hanging out with no humans, though.

Oh yeah, if people think we're going to "Lost Light" or something they're delusional.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:38 PM

I could definitely see a potential future iteration of a Transformers movie shifting more towards a quippy Guardians of the Galaxy-type movie.

It's important to remember, I think, that Transformers came out 10 years ago... and back then there was no MCU, or nostalgia-based reboots, and this idea of taking an increasingly moribund, largely-forgotten-by-adults toyline, and then turning it into an actual movie was such a bizarre idea at the time that there was definitely a veneer of "THIS IS A BIG SERIOUS MOVIE!" hanging over its head. Compare the Transformers movies (especially the dour, gloomy Age of Extinction) to something like Guardians of the Galaxy, or Avengers, or Star Wars, where there are big stakes, yeah, but there's also a sense of adventure and optimism underpinning it all.

 

I think that might also explain the decline of TLK compared to previous outings -- the Transformers movies have (more or less) stayed in that grim n' gritty cubbyhole, but the cinematic nerd landscape around the Transformers franchise has changed so drastically that teens and adults are now happily lauding a movie where a baby tree monster dances to ELO for 2 minutes.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

All the talk of the Bumblebee movie becoming a reboot reminds me of what a Sony did with the idea for "Spider-Man 4" and reworked into "The Amazing Spider-Man". Might we see the Bee movie delayed a year or two to retool? It hasn't started production yet, right?

But honestly what I'd hope for from a reboot just echoes what others are saying: I want the bots to feel like characters and less like ornaments. Have them interact with the humans more, less of them awkwardly standing in the background or staying silent sitting there as a car. Besides Bee (and Hot Rod in the newest movie from what I hear?) it strikes me as completely ludicrous that any of the Transformers in these films don't talk in vehicle mode! I just don't understand how that was never a thing in these films
(Oh also I just remembered, I guess the movie 1 Decepticons get their introduction lines in Cybertronian in their vehicle modes. That was cool!)

But yeah I think in a post Marvel Cinematic Universe world that movie goers are going to be way more accepting of talking, thinking, feeling, giant cybernetic lifeforms from another planet that happen to be a whole lot like us. The reboot doesn't even have to go into their origin completely, audiences know who they are. Pull a "Spider-Man Homecoming"/"Captain America Civil War" or a "Batman vs Superman" (wait wait, trust me on this!) and work off the previous movie franchises basic idea of an origin. People know Peter Parker is a nerdy kid who gets spider powers or that Batman is a dark brooding guy who fights crime and pretends to be a playboy... and likewise they know that the Autobots and Decepticons fought for millions of year, and now their war has come to Earth and Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are here to protect us from the tyranny of Megatron!

Also maybe drop the military propaganda/porn schtick too, drop the sexism and misogyny, and make the films more friendly too women so that way you're not alienating like half of your potential audience. That would also make it easier to market towards kids and families.
It would still be an action movie franchise, just a more modern one suitable for this decade

And yeah, a Bumblebee movie set in the 80s could be the perfect way to start all that imo :3
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:50 PM

But Dawn of Justice went over Batman's origin on its own.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:54 PM

I believe I read that the Bumblebee film has begun production / filming somewhere.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:56 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).

 

Star Trek Beyond also had two predecessors which did only moderately well at the box office.  TLK has four predecessors which did gangbusters.

 

The Bumblebee movie is supposed to be a smaller, less expensive movie.  It might be fortuitously timed to guide the direction of the franchise going forward.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:56 PM

Do whatever they want, I doubt Hollywood will ever be able to crap out the kind of TF movie I'd like to see without it being a financial bomb, so as long as they find a way to keep making money so the franchise parts that I do like keep going strong I'm already happy. 

 

Don't know where people are getting this idea that the Bumblebee movie is "promising" though. Yeah it's not Bay, but it's the guy who was ANIMATOR, not director, on his best movies, directed a few bland forgetable films whose method of animation are the only reason they remotely stood out, lead actor is not much, lead writer is a literal nobody. It might be good, but it's so so so very damn far from being ''likely'' good. It's a wildcard at best.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).

The first part of that is true, the second part isn't quite true, at least globally.  Star Trek Beyond's lifetime take was about $344 million.  The Last Knight will probably reach that over the weekend unless it really completely tanks everywhere.  


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:59 PM

I think one of the biggest problems facing TF now is, story, people are getting tried of these swtich off your brain movies and want something different in their action movies and TF until now hasn't had a real plan of direction, I doult this writers room buiness has helped much, besides, people are taking more of a interst in comic book movies, sure the second and third films of DC comics got panned and Fox had a sudden smash hit with Deadpool and they cranked that up to a higher age rating that most comic book movies of late. TF troubles start before filming of any movie, what kind of age rating are they aimming for, which charaters do they want to have in, of course Micheal Bay, might be a big name director but sadly these films are not really showing off the charaters, Bay mind seems to be focused primary on where the next explosion going to be or where to have the product placement of say a fizzy drink, also woman are being turned into nothing but eye candy. Effectively at the moment, the TF movies are on a slippy slope in a big race to the distant finishline of highest grossing which is the bottomline for movies, to make as much money as possible and Bay excel's in that department. I have no doult Last Knight or the BB spin off will make their production budgets back but the question is, what kind of takings will they bring in at the end of the day, thus far with Last Knight, its lower than AOE.

 

If they do get around to a reboot what I think needs to be happening:

1. Change up the director between films, don't stick to just one director, let more creative energies in

2. Don't kill your main villian in the first film

3. Make the charaters stand apart, don't slap large names on charaters who are not going to have any screentime aside from dying on screen in a fight against someone with a name, that one of the problems with Bay films, they attach names to cannon slaughter and get fans hopes up only to see them die shortly after appearing and not make a impact on screen.

4. Having humans is ok, so long as their not:

                              A: There for nothing but to shout a charater name

                              B: Being eye candy

 

5: Have the human charater go through a jorreny that changes them a bit

 

That's pretty much my thoughts on the subject


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:12 PM

I always find myself puzzled when people bring up Guardians of the Galaxy as "this films success shows that audiences are more accepting CGI characters" because liked, you realize that three fifths of the main cast are people (two of which are aliens admittedly but obviously human in alien makeup) and two of which had more screen time than Rocket or Groot. Admittedly Rocket and Groot have more character than the earlier tf films, but even the main villains are still "thrwe who have character and a bunch of generics"

 

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:18 PM

GotG's Groot and Rocket are successful because they're actually accepted as characters and not weird CGI set pieces (see: every CGI character in the Star Wars prequels) that hit the uncanny valley.


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