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@  TM2-Megatron : (18 April 2019 - 05:03 PM)

Switching shifts constantly is never good for one's health. There was a time when I worked overnights steady for about 2 years; did wonders for my health, as well

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Don't miss early shift (and especially switching back and forth every two weeks) a bit.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Man, permanent late shift really has done wonders for my overal well-being. Never having to get up early for work, staying up late, weekends off... a ot of my coworkers think I'm crazy, but late shift is really my preferred shift.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

(My total lack of sleep on that day might have contributed, though.)

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

At noon, it was warm.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

On Monday, we went on strike early in the morning, I was also wearing to jackets and gloves and my toes and fingers were freezing.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 April 2019 - 04:31 PM)

Nope, right now my days are doing that. Frigid at night (Well, just below zero, but still.) and warm enough to be always be ill prepared during the day.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Today it's so warm I had to take a shower to wash off the sweat after a lengthy bike trip.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

This past Friday I was wearing two jackets and winter gloves outside and took a hot bath when I returned home.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

Is "April weather" an issue in other countries as well, or is that specifically a German phenomenon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Runa runa!

@  Sabrblade : (14 April 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Wocka wocka!

@  The Doctor Who : (14 April 2019 - 06:59 AM)

Lewd

@  Paladin : (14 April 2019 - 06:57 AM)

troutstick.

@  MEDdMI : (14 April 2019 - 06:34 AM)

With a trout.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 05:44 AM)

With a stick?


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

Suddenly scrapping everything to do with the franchise based on one break-even movie would be a wild overreaction. I think this is actually a pretty good place, in a way, for TF to be faltering at the box office. If Bay really is stepping away, and Bee Movie does well, then Paramount sees there's still a market for TF without going purse in hand to Bay's house for the next main sequel.

 

If Bee Movie is a flop too, then I can easily see us getting a few years off, and probably a reboot, a result to which my personal response largely depends on the TF designs. I'd like to say I have faith that they'd never try to trot out big cartoon Dery designs on a movie screen, but reboot desperation does a lot of things.

 

Speaking of reboots: Transformers made all its money as an action-movie franchise. That's what they'd be rebooting it as. I think there's this weird idea among certain segments of the fandom that a reboot would suddenly get us a movie that's all about robots having conversations, and there's no way - the robots cost way too much for that right off the bat, even if you ignore that that's not what audiences go see. (Those of you who are about to insist that's not true are welcome to list the top-grossing non-Disney movies without a principally human cast.)



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:09 PM

Some how Bumblebee will be the 2019 Concept Camaro.  Won't make sense in the story, but it doesn't have to.  ;)

 

I'm only half joking with the above, but I do hope they make a nice var mode choice.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:12 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:19 PM

If you look at the box office trend of the last 3 movies domestically, the shrinking amount of shelf space at retail, the declining numbers at the newsstand and the waning interest overseas, actually it is far from an overreaction.

Everyone seems to be forgetting one thing. Paramount has had a series of flops. You really think thy are gonna invest hundreds of millions of dollars in to a franchise that is clearly on the decline in its current format? I would actually be extremely surprised if things continued on as is as opposed to a major course correction. Audiences have finally caught on. The live action movies since RoTF are awful and not kid friendly. Time for a complete overhaul.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:24 PM

Paramount has had a series of flops.


Can you elaborate for someone not familiar with the general movie scene? (as in, me)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:25 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

 

They clearly could do more with the Transformers in terms of characterization and personality with the screen time they have, if it were a priority for Bay. They're often just there, in the background, hanging around, while the humans talk among themselves. By taking advantage of all of the TFs' screentime and including vehicle-mode dialogue, I don't think there's any question you could make them more fully-realized characters.

 

That doesn't mean the movies are suddenly going to be movies about the TFs hanging out with no humans, though.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:33 PM



Everyone seems to be forgetting one thing. Paramount has had a series of flops. You really think thy are gonna invest hundreds of millions of dollars in to a franchise that is clearly on the decline in its current format?

It's true, you can't look at this in a vacuum.  The more expensive movies that Paramount's released this year have underperformed or flat out failed.

 

We've got:

Baywatch (didn't make back budget)

Ghost in the Shell (underperformed)

Monster Trucks (underperformed, but predictions were all over the place on it anyway)

 

Rings and xXx: Return of Xander Cage performed fine, mostly since Rings was relatively cheap to make in the first place and xXx was marketed pretty well and riding off the return of Vin Diesel.

 

If we get into 2016, we've also got the underperformance of Star Trek Beyond, TMNT Out of the Shadows, 13 Hours, Allied, Zoolander 2 (no production budget released, but it made less than $60 million), Ben Hur remake, etc.  Almost every film Paramount released last year underperformed or failed, with rare exceptions.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:35 PM

Ah, thanks.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:38 PM

It costs even less to have cars talk. Or start using holographic actors like they did in Infiltration to carry on conversations.

It's hard to make engaging characters when they only speak like a sentence a movie.

 
They clearly could do more with the Transformers in terms of characterization and personality with the screen time they have, if it were a priority for Bay. They're often just there, in the background, hanging around, while the humans talk among themselves. By taking advantage of all of the TFs' screentime and including vehicle-mode dialogue, I don't think there's any question you could make them more fully-realized characters.
 
That doesn't mean the movies are suddenly going to be movies about the TFs hanging out with no humans, though.

Oh yeah, if people think we're going to "Lost Light" or something they're delusional.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:38 PM

I could definitely see a potential future iteration of a Transformers movie shifting more towards a quippy Guardians of the Galaxy-type movie.

It's important to remember, I think, that Transformers came out 10 years ago... and back then there was no MCU, or nostalgia-based reboots, and this idea of taking an increasingly moribund, largely-forgotten-by-adults toyline, and then turning it into an actual movie was such a bizarre idea at the time that there was definitely a veneer of "THIS IS A BIG SERIOUS MOVIE!" hanging over its head. Compare the Transformers movies (especially the dour, gloomy Age of Extinction) to something like Guardians of the Galaxy, or Avengers, or Star Wars, where there are big stakes, yeah, but there's also a sense of adventure and optimism underpinning it all.

 

I think that might also explain the decline of TLK compared to previous outings -- the Transformers movies have (more or less) stayed in that grim n' gritty cubbyhole, but the cinematic nerd landscape around the Transformers franchise has changed so drastically that teens and adults are now happily lauding a movie where a baby tree monster dances to ELO for 2 minutes.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:40 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:47 PM

All the talk of the Bumblebee movie becoming a reboot reminds me of what a Sony did with the idea for "Spider-Man 4" and reworked into "The Amazing Spider-Man". Might we see the Bee movie delayed a year or two to retool? It hasn't started production yet, right?

But honestly what I'd hope for from a reboot just echoes what others are saying: I want the bots to feel like characters and less like ornaments. Have them interact with the humans more, less of them awkwardly standing in the background or staying silent sitting there as a car. Besides Bee (and Hot Rod in the newest movie from what I hear?) it strikes me as completely ludicrous that any of the Transformers in these films don't talk in vehicle mode! I just don't understand how that was never a thing in these films
(Oh also I just remembered, I guess the movie 1 Decepticons get their introduction lines in Cybertronian in their vehicle modes. That was cool!)

But yeah I think in a post Marvel Cinematic Universe world that movie goers are going to be way more accepting of talking, thinking, feeling, giant cybernetic lifeforms from another planet that happen to be a whole lot like us. The reboot doesn't even have to go into their origin completely, audiences know who they are. Pull a "Spider-Man Homecoming"/"Captain America Civil War" or a "Batman vs Superman" (wait wait, trust me on this!) and work off the previous movie franchises basic idea of an origin. People know Peter Parker is a nerdy kid who gets spider powers or that Batman is a dark brooding guy who fights crime and pretends to be a playboy... and likewise they know that the Autobots and Decepticons fought for millions of year, and now their war has come to Earth and Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are here to protect us from the tyranny of Megatron!

Also maybe drop the military propaganda/porn schtick too, drop the sexism and misogyny, and make the films more friendly too women so that way you're not alienating like half of your potential audience. That would also make it easier to market towards kids and families.
It would still be an action movie franchise, just a more modern one suitable for this decade

And yeah, a Bumblebee movie set in the 80s could be the perfect way to start all that imo :3
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:50 PM

But Dawn of Justice went over Batman's origin on its own.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:54 PM

I believe I read that the Bumblebee film has begun production / filming somewhere.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:56 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).

 

Star Trek Beyond also had two predecessors which did only moderately well at the box office.  TLK has four predecessors which did gangbusters.

 

The Bumblebee movie is supposed to be a smaller, less expensive movie.  It might be fortuitously timed to guide the direction of the franchise going forward.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:56 PM

Do whatever they want, I doubt Hollywood will ever be able to crap out the kind of TF movie I'd like to see without it being a financial bomb, so as long as they find a way to keep making money so the franchise parts that I do like keep going strong I'm already happy. 

 

Don't know where people are getting this idea that the Bumblebee movie is "promising" though. Yeah it's not Bay, but it's the guy who was ANIMATOR, not director, on his best movies, directed a few bland forgetable films whose method of animation are the only reason they remotely stood out, lead actor is not much, lead writer is a literal nobody. It might be good, but it's so so so very damn far from being ''likely'' good. It's a wildcard at best.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

ST Beyond underperformed enough to make Paramount question ST4 if I'm not mistaken, and it made way more money than Transformers (and was enjoyable to boot!).

The first part of that is true, the second part isn't quite true, at least globally.  Star Trek Beyond's lifetime take was about $344 million.  The Last Knight will probably reach that over the weekend unless it really completely tanks everywhere.  


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:59 PM

I think one of the biggest problems facing TF now is, story, people are getting tried of these swtich off your brain movies and want something different in their action movies and TF until now hasn't had a real plan of direction, I doult this writers room buiness has helped much, besides, people are taking more of a interst in comic book movies, sure the second and third films of DC comics got panned and Fox had a sudden smash hit with Deadpool and they cranked that up to a higher age rating that most comic book movies of late. TF troubles start before filming of any movie, what kind of age rating are they aimming for, which charaters do they want to have in, of course Micheal Bay, might be a big name director but sadly these films are not really showing off the charaters, Bay mind seems to be focused primary on where the next explosion going to be or where to have the product placement of say a fizzy drink, also woman are being turned into nothing but eye candy. Effectively at the moment, the TF movies are on a slippy slope in a big race to the distant finishline of highest grossing which is the bottomline for movies, to make as much money as possible and Bay excel's in that department. I have no doult Last Knight or the BB spin off will make their production budgets back but the question is, what kind of takings will they bring in at the end of the day, thus far with Last Knight, its lower than AOE.

 

If they do get around to a reboot what I think needs to be happening:

1. Change up the director between films, don't stick to just one director, let more creative energies in

2. Don't kill your main villian in the first film

3. Make the charaters stand apart, don't slap large names on charaters who are not going to have any screentime aside from dying on screen in a fight against someone with a name, that one of the problems with Bay films, they attach names to cannon slaughter and get fans hopes up only to see them die shortly after appearing and not make a impact on screen.

4. Having humans is ok, so long as their not:

                              A: There for nothing but to shout a charater name

                              B: Being eye candy

 

5: Have the human charater go through a jorreny that changes them a bit

 

That's pretty much my thoughts on the subject


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:12 PM

I always find myself puzzled when people bring up Guardians of the Galaxy as "this films success shows that audiences are more accepting CGI characters" because liked, you realize that three fifths of the main cast are people (two of which are aliens admittedly but obviously human in alien makeup) and two of which had more screen time than Rocket or Groot. Admittedly Rocket and Groot have more character than the earlier tf films, but even the main villains are still "thrwe who have character and a bunch of generics"

 

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:18 PM

GotG's Groot and Rocket are successful because they're actually accepted as characters and not weird CGI set pieces (see: every CGI character in the Star Wars prequels) that hit the uncanny valley.


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