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@  TM2-Megatron : (18 April 2019 - 05:03 PM)

Switching shifts constantly is never good for one's health. There was a time when I worked overnights steady for about 2 years; did wonders for my health, as well

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Don't miss early shift (and especially switching back and forth every two weeks) a bit.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Man, permanent late shift really has done wonders for my overal well-being. Never having to get up early for work, staying up late, weekends off... a ot of my coworkers think I'm crazy, but late shift is really my preferred shift.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

(My total lack of sleep on that day might have contributed, though.)

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

At noon, it was warm.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

On Monday, we went on strike early in the morning, I was also wearing to jackets and gloves and my toes and fingers were freezing.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 April 2019 - 04:31 PM)

Nope, right now my days are doing that. Frigid at night (Well, just below zero, but still.) and warm enough to be always be ill prepared during the day.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Today it's so warm I had to take a shower to wash off the sweat after a lengthy bike trip.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

This past Friday I was wearing two jackets and winter gloves outside and took a hot bath when I returned home.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

Is "April weather" an issue in other countries as well, or is that specifically a German phenomenon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Runa runa!

@  Sabrblade : (14 April 2019 - 09:10 AM)

Wocka wocka!

@  The Doctor Who : (14 April 2019 - 06:59 AM)

Lewd

@  Paladin : (14 April 2019 - 06:57 AM)

troutstick.

@  MEDdMI : (14 April 2019 - 06:34 AM)

With a trout.

@  Xellos : (14 April 2019 - 05:44 AM)

With a stick?


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:52 AM

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

There's also the question of how much was spent on promotions, and how significantly viewed the domestic take is vs international.

 

I don't think it's a death knell for the franchise either -- that'll need another film underperforming this dramatically or worse -- but it probably could and should cause a sea change in the way things are done.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:57 AM

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:02 AM



Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

Making back your production budget isn't the same as making back your marketing budget (which is usually not disclosed).  For a summer blockbuster, it usually needs to make back twice the production budget to actually break even.

 

...This makes me so glad The Hub folded and Hasbro's "We're An IP Company!" stuff backfired, or they'd be in for some rough times.


Edited by Spark, 28 June 2017 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

 

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

 

 

I suspect that's just as much Hasbro tailoring things more (or a bit too) conservatively for the current retail environment, but yeah, Generations has really taken off in a big way seemingly starting with T30. That said, I think the franchise is MUCH healthier than something that needs an IV drip.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:35 AM

Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

It's not that simple. The studio only keeps a percentage of the gross. A good rule of thumb is 60% domestic, 40% International. China is on the low side at 25%. Then you also have to factor in marketing expenses. Figure that those expenses will come in at a quarter to a third of the production budget. Then you have to figure that there are opportunity costs to having your money invested in a movie. If you're spending 200 million on Transformers, you're not putting 200 million in the stock market. Over the last 18 months, we've seen pretty massive gains in that sector. So your target isn't to make back your money, it's to make more money than you would have if you'd gone with a conservative investment.

So your real target is production budget times 1.25 (marketing) times 1.15 (opportunity cost) times maybe 2.2 (to account for how much of the profits you actually keep, and realizing the Transformers weights towards the international.) My rough estimate puts 686 million as the effective Break Even point. Less than that and they really might as well have stayed home. Less than 600 and they probably actually lost money, not just underperformed the market. You could go into greater granularity but those figures should be roughly correct, give or take 20 million.

(Product placement should be already factored into the production budget. This does not take into account other revenue streams from things like merchandising, nor does it include any future revenue streams from home video or streaming or broadcast rights. But because of accounting quirks, movies are expected to make back their own budget without recourse to merchandising and future broadcast rights. Basically the future money goes to a different department.) (Generally speaking. Of course, there are exceptions. With a project like, say, Cars 3, the merchandising is the whole point and anything the movie makes is basically gravy.)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:16 AM

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:32 AM

 

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.

 

It really is, completely.  Brand new director with a decent pedigree from Laika, new screenwriter (and only one), set in the '80s, no returning actors, featuring just Bumblebee and whatever enemy.  Introduce a new Bumblebee design and eliminate any stagnating ties to AoE or TLK (if any) and you've got a reboot.

 

Fastest way to cut ties would be to have Bumblebee actually talk.


Edited by Spark, 28 June 2017 - 10:33 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:37 AM

A "prequel" to a series with confusing, contradictory, and abandoned continuity would be suicide. Are they going to start talking about the Allspark Cube again, in 2018?

Make Bee speak normally and not be the Camaro again.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:40 AM

Compromise, just have Bumblebee turn into the front half of a Camaro and the back half of a VW beetle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

And he's voiced by Dan Gilvezan randomly shouting radio slogans.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:53 AM

It's quite likely he'll be a Beetle, Volkswagen being the only piece missing (and they did already sign off on a Masterpiece, so...). If that aspect coincides with the good reboot we're waiting for, I can't wait to see the smug Geewunning associating any success with the vehicle mode and 80s setting more than anything else.

And by "can't wait" I mean I wonder how much MORE distance I'm going to have to keep from the usual suspects.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

I still don't think he should be a VW bug.  The '80s nostalgia wave has basically passed as far as most people are concerned, so pick something new.  Keep the stripes, though.

 

Voting for a Nissan Skyline R32 (although the dates make that tricky, since it happend in '89) or Toyota Corolla, personally.  An '80s Camaro is pretty distinctive, but that tie probably needs to be cut.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

Amen.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

Y'know, unlike a lot of other 80's and 90's-era "muscle" cars, 80's model Camaros are actually fairly cool-looking, so I think it'd be cool if he turned into one of those.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

I hope the Bumblebee movie doesn't get scrapped.  Everything I've seen about it so far seems very promising.  I'm not opposed to the idea of using it as a reboot, but a reboot just a year after the last installment in the franchise would be some kinda record.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:13 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:22 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.

 

From that link, make him a Piaggio T5. Backdoor Gobots movie! :p


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

this thread is starting to sound a lot like the other gi joe thread. 


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:04 PM

There's a lot I find disappointing about the movie series. But I'd rather have TF6 finish the story and we move on instead of a half reboot/half prequel Bumblebee story.

Make it a 90 minute direct to DVD, wrap up the plot threads intentionally left dangling in TF5, and take a 5 year break. Reboot like ST09
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