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@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 08:19 PM)

I'm also only reading the trades. So I'm still missing... two volumes that are currently only available as hardcovers? Three?

@  Trpodeca : (17 January 2019 - 06:22 PM)

Astro City is great. Since I only read the trades, there probably won't be a big change for me.

@  ZakuConvoy : (17 January 2019 - 05:34 PM)

I have. Great series. Hopefully the transition to OGNs will be a smooth one.

@  Nevermore : (17 January 2019 - 07:20 AM)

Anyone here reading Kurt Busiek's Astro City?

@  Verity Carlo : (16 January 2019 - 01:12 PM)

https://sites.google...ations---part-1awwwww shit

@  Benbot : (16 January 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Remember the Noid? He steals pizzas!

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:47 AM)

That said, the old "Nester" character from Nintendo Power IS owned by Nintendo, and I could see a homage in there

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 January 2019 - 10:46 AM)

Because technically DiC created the character, Nintendo does not own him.

@  Paladin : (16 January 2019 - 10:28 AM)

sidebar- why is "Captain N" not in Smash yet? that seems like such an easy option.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 January 2019 - 09:18 AM)

The 90's mario cartoons had exactly three character aspects to work with: fat, italian and plumber. He wasn't exactly wrenching pipes in every episode, so they had to do something...

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 January 2019 - 07:31 AM)

It's in another castle.

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:24 AM)

i HOpE sHe mADe LotSA SPAGHETTI

@  Locoman : (16 January 2019 - 06:17 AM)

Mario, wherever you are, HEEEEEEEELP!

@  unluckiness : (16 January 2019 - 06:07 AM)

That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario *wheeze*

@  Pennpenn : (16 January 2019 - 02:24 AM)

It's too hot here.

@  Echowarrior : (15 January 2019 - 11:03 PM)

I liked the Super Mario Brothers Super Show the best myself.

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There's always the three Mario cartoons DiC made back in the 80s.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 09:48 PM)

So they could make a show that everyone would scream was an adventure time knockoff? I get what you're saying, but I can't see it being well received.

@  Sean Whitmore : (15 January 2019 - 08:47 PM)

The fact that Adventure Time was on the air for 8 years and at no point did Nintendo hand the creators a large sack of money and say, "Please make a Mario thing for us" will forever anger me.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 07:03 PM)

There was so much awesome put into design and conception of the super mario bros. movie, and it didn't even need the branding: but it wouldn't have made it to the screen without the branding.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:56 PM)

Many aspects of it have stuck in my memory, though. The boots, the devolution ray, the aesthetic of the dinosaur city

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

I had no idea there was another Mario Bros. movie coming out, though. Doubt it'll top the first one, it was just so bizarre

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 06:55 PM)

They already act a bit like minions; they just aren't stupid

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 05:35 PM)

The trouble is: I honestly can't decide if making them minions would be better or worse than the continuously shrill voices they've used for the last 20 years.

@  Paladin : (15 January 2019 - 05:27 PM)

hope everyone's ready for Toads to look, act & sound like the Minions forever...

@  Lancer : (15 January 2019 - 04:54 PM)

I mean, considering Illumination is making the new Mario movie, Super Mario Bros. 1993 won't be the worst Mario movie anymore

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 04:36 PM)

"Sir, your pizza's here." "Not now!"

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Actually, yeah. I think I need to watch it again. Great movie.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 03:44 PM)

It's a fun movie with amazing sets. As long as you don't try to connect it to anything else Mario, it's fine.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 January 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Damn, I haven't thought about the Super Mario Bros. feature film in forever. Need to watch it again, soon; I can only imagine it gets better with time.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

Re:Zero is a fantastic series.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 03:10 PM)

Yeah it's not a bad concept, it's just that lately the term is associated with "I, a Loser Everyman, Woke Up In a Generic Fantasy Setting Where I'm Super Special So Now Girls Orbit Me"

@  Sabrblade : (15 January 2019 - 12:59 PM)

So too is the old Super Mario Bros movie

@  wonko the sane? : (15 January 2019 - 12:28 PM)

I went and looked up the term "isekai"... that's not actually as bad as I thought it was going to be.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 January 2019 - 12:19 PM)

I'm not sure, but the cartoon segments of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show are.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Wait. A. Minute. Is Blaster Master an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (15 January 2019 - 08:49 AM)

*Dragon Slave*

@  Xellos : (15 January 2019 - 06:22 AM)

I used to use a pic like that as my avatar for years, but that... is a secret.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 January 2019 - 02:07 AM)

Is Flatland an isekai?

@  MEDdMI : (14 January 2019 - 11:16 PM)

@Xellos Every time I see you post, I picture Xellos' infuriating smug grin and finger waggling with the "sore wa hi*mi*tsu*desu <3"

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 09:50 PM)

The Last Starfighter is also one of those

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

Astronaut gets shot through a wornhole and ends up on a living starship full of escaped alien prisoners.

@  Cybersnark : (14 January 2019 - 09:28 PM)

I realized a few months ago that Farscape is a sci-fi-based Isekai.

@  Sabrblade : (14 January 2019 - 09:03 PM)

The Thor movies and Enchanted, as well.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (14 January 2019 - 08:45 PM)

@xellos We get to many of those in Hollywood movies.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 January 2019 - 08:13 PM)

Re:Creators!

@  Xellos : (14 January 2019 - 07:47 PM)

There is also Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero, where people regularly get summoned to a fantasy world, then eventually sent back with their accumulated powers (and the main character smuggles the demon lord's daugher by his request, which is a no-no)

@  Waspinator : (14 January 2019 - 07:23 PM)

We need more inverse isekais, like The Devil is a Part-Timer

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 January 2019 - 04:11 PM)

I feel like Tron is pushing it but I can't actually come up with an argument to that effect

@  Pennpenn : (14 January 2019 - 03:21 PM)

To Arazyr- I don't see why it wouldn't be.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:52 AM

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

There's also the question of how much was spent on promotions, and how significantly viewed the domestic take is vs international.

 

I don't think it's a death knell for the franchise either -- that'll need another film underperforming this dramatically or worse -- but it probably could and should cause a sea change in the way things are done.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:57 AM

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:02 AM



Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

Making back your production budget isn't the same as making back your marketing budget (which is usually not disclosed).  For a summer blockbuster, it usually needs to make back twice the production budget to actually break even.

 

...This makes me so glad The Hub folded and Hasbro's "We're An IP Company!" stuff backfired, or they'd be in for some rough times.


Edited by Spark, 28 June 2017 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

 

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

 

 

I suspect that's just as much Hasbro tailoring things more (or a bit too) conservatively for the current retail environment, but yeah, Generations has really taken off in a big way seemingly starting with T30. That said, I think the franchise is MUCH healthier than something that needs an IV drip.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:35 AM

Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

It's not that simple. The studio only keeps a percentage of the gross. A good rule of thumb is 60% domestic, 40% International. China is on the low side at 25%. Then you also have to factor in marketing expenses. Figure that those expenses will come in at a quarter to a third of the production budget. Then you have to figure that there are opportunity costs to having your money invested in a movie. If you're spending 200 million on Transformers, you're not putting 200 million in the stock market. Over the last 18 months, we've seen pretty massive gains in that sector. So your target isn't to make back your money, it's to make more money than you would have if you'd gone with a conservative investment.

So your real target is production budget times 1.25 (marketing) times 1.15 (opportunity cost) times maybe 2.2 (to account for how much of the profits you actually keep, and realizing the Transformers weights towards the international.) My rough estimate puts 686 million as the effective Break Even point. Less than that and they really might as well have stayed home. Less than 600 and they probably actually lost money, not just underperformed the market. You could go into greater granularity but those figures should be roughly correct, give or take 20 million.

(Product placement should be already factored into the production budget. This does not take into account other revenue streams from things like merchandising, nor does it include any future revenue streams from home video or streaming or broadcast rights. But because of accounting quirks, movies are expected to make back their own budget without recourse to merchandising and future broadcast rights. Basically the future money goes to a different department.) (Generally speaking. Of course, there are exceptions. With a project like, say, Cars 3, the merchandising is the whole point and anything the movie makes is basically gravy.)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:16 AM

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:32 AM

 

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.

 

It really is, completely.  Brand new director with a decent pedigree from Laika, new screenwriter (and only one), set in the '80s, no returning actors, featuring just Bumblebee and whatever enemy.  Introduce a new Bumblebee design and eliminate any stagnating ties to AoE or TLK (if any) and you've got a reboot.

 

Fastest way to cut ties would be to have Bumblebee actually talk.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:37 AM

A "prequel" to a series with confusing, contradictory, and abandoned continuity would be suicide. Are they going to start talking about the Allspark Cube again, in 2018?

Make Bee speak normally and not be the Camaro again.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:40 AM

Compromise, just have Bumblebee turn into the front half of a Camaro and the back half of a VW beetle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

And he's voiced by Dan Gilvezan randomly shouting radio slogans.
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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:53 AM

It's quite likely he'll be a Beetle, Volkswagen being the only piece missing (and they did already sign off on a Masterpiece, so...). If that aspect coincides with the good reboot we're waiting for, I can't wait to see the smug Geewunning associating any success with the vehicle mode and 80s setting more than anything else.

And by "can't wait" I mean I wonder how much MORE distance I'm going to have to keep from the usual suspects.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

I still don't think he should be a VW bug.  The '80s nostalgia wave has basically passed as far as most people are concerned, so pick something new.  Keep the stripes, though.

 

Voting for a Nissan Skyline R32 (although the dates make that tricky, since it happend in '89) or Toyota Corolla, personally.  An '80s Camaro is pretty distinctive, but that tie probably needs to be cut.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

Amen.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

Y'know, unlike a lot of other 80's and 90's-era "muscle" cars, 80's model Camaros are actually fairly cool-looking, so I think it'd be cool if he turned into one of those.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

I hope the Bumblebee movie doesn't get scrapped.  Everything I've seen about it so far seems very promising.  I'm not opposed to the idea of using it as a reboot, but a reboot just a year after the last installment in the franchise would be some kinda record.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:13 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:22 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.

 

From that link, make him a Piaggio T5. Backdoor Gobots movie! :p


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

this thread is starting to sound a lot like the other gi joe thread. 


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:04 PM

There's a lot I find disappointing about the movie series. But I'd rather have TF6 finish the story and we move on instead of a half reboot/half prequel Bumblebee story.

Make it a 90 minute direct to DVD, wrap up the plot threads intentionally left dangling in TF5, and take a 5 year break. Reboot like ST09
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