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@  Dekafox : (19 February 2020 - 06:14 PM)

Count Zero?

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 February 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Oh boy, here we go.

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:34 PM)

Or do Japan's cultural values vary depending on exactly who you're trying to shut down?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:33 PM)

Could it be that, perhaps, these different cultural values might lead to a different approach seeming appropriate?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Hm. Back when we were arguing about the Legends comic, I seem to recall being repeatedly told that Japan had different cultural values than the US (and therefore anyone who had a problem with anything at all was wrong to voice that opinion ever).

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:23 AM)

Plus, as much as I hate to admit it, every single anime character is built to suit the audience's tastes so they buy more merch/do other things that allow $$$ to flow in the production committees direction, so the authenticity is certainly not for representation's sake.

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Both those anime air at midnight and are aimed at a very specific audience in a whole other media landscape. Major projects have press releases about almost everything, and there are groups just waiting to pat anybody on the back for doing what they want (GLAAD, HRC, etc)

@  B-Fox : (19 February 2020 - 03:16 AM)

It's funny that a friggin' anime about zombie idols and an anime about a school of anthropomorphic animals can have really positive trans characters WITHOUT a press release about their inclusion in the series prior to the episodes airing or having the creators announcing it on social media and patting themselves on the back for doing a thing.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2020 - 10:26 PM)

Vegan meat needs bacon

@  Paladin : (18 February 2020 - 08:43 PM)

vegan meat must taste delicious. they're grass-fed and regularly exercised....

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Vegans are better than kids if you don't talk to them. They'll keep the lawn trimmed anyway.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Do you want vegans? Because that's how you get vegans.

@  CORVUS : (18 February 2020 - 04:33 PM)

Hook up your sprinkler system to a canister of healthy organic carrot-juice. The kids won't be able to get off your lawn fast enough.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 03:59 PM)

Just use the hose.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 03:52 PM)

Ask bing. It'll be a FAR more effective answer.

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Google, how do I get those durned kids off my lawn?

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Please ignore.  Old man here apparently doesn't know the difference between the "Search" field and the "Shoutbox" field.

 

Also doesn't know how to delete from the shoutbox

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM)

iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

@  fourteenwings : (17 February 2020 - 12:41 AM)

The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 03:54 PM)

Think of all the horror and mystery movies that involve the bad guys cutting the phone line. Now think about how many people don't even have a land line to cut anymore.

@  Telly : (16 February 2020 - 03:47 PM)

its like that scene in commando. the bad guy has to get to a phone to call the big bad to tell him arnold isnt on the plane. that wouldnt happen today

@  Rycochet : (16 February 2020 - 03:18 PM)

Watching early episodes of the x-files will make you feel super old once you start to notice the techology they use, and the technology they lack.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 February 2020 - 01:00 PM)

This guy.

@  Roddie Luver : (15 February 2020 - 10:55 PM)

Hey

@  Kalidor : (14 February 2020 - 03:01 PM)

The ones that get me are the "Uploaded 12 years ago" ones

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 02:49 PM)

Makes you feel old, don't it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 February 2020 - 02:38 PM)

While browsing Youtube vids I read these comments: 'The X Files is such an underrated show' and another 'Brent Spiner is a underrated actor' I want to punch something.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:16 PM)

Besides: cupid freaks me out. "Find someone to love, or I'll SHOOT YOU".

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 February 2020 - 12:11 PM)

It's just the day before Cheap Chocolate Day.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 February 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Meh, just more game time.

@  Paladin : (14 February 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Valentine's day. Bummer.

@  Otaku : (14 February 2020 - 10:41 AM)

So is that an occasion for congratulations or condolences, Telly?  I see it as a good thing, but that is a matter of personal preference; easier for me to keep straight who is who when the names don't change. XP

@  Telly : (14 February 2020 - 12:48 AM)

damn. ive been going by "telly" on here for nearly 14 years...

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 February 2020 - 08:06 PM)

I've seen it. It didn't really deliver on the title

@  Paladin : (11 February 2020 - 05:28 PM)

we don't need to see that. we're living it.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 February 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Anyone seen an old British movie called 'The Earth dies screaming' it's like a Doctor Who serial minus the Doctor.

@  TriBlurr : (09 February 2020 - 11:58 AM)

Needs more zone defense. Call Scrapper

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 February 2020 - 11:29 AM)

MORE POINTS FOR BLITZWING!

@  Donocropolis : (09 February 2020 - 09:33 AM)

MP-7 Thundercracker recovers....he's at the 40....the 20....AND HE SCORES!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (08 February 2020 - 10:37 PM)

Reserved for Masterpiece Kup.

@  Sabrblade : (08 February 2020 - 09:49 PM)

MP-10 Convoy redecoed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 February 2020 - 06:56 AM)

MP-9 Rodimus self-destructed.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:52 AM

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:53 AM

There's also the question of how much was spent on promotions, and how significantly viewed the domestic take is vs international.

 

I don't think it's a death knell for the franchise either -- that'll need another film underperforming this dramatically or worse -- but it probably could and should cause a sea change in the way things are done.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 08:57 AM

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:02 AM



Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

Making back your production budget isn't the same as making back your marketing budget (which is usually not disclosed).  For a summer blockbuster, it usually needs to make back twice the production budget to actually break even.

 

...This makes me so glad The Hub folded and Hasbro's "We're An IP Company!" stuff backfired, or they'd be in for some rough times.


Edited by Spark, 28 June 2017 - 09:04 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:05 AM

 

I'm not that attached to the live-action movie universe as its own thing, but I do realize that they are basically the IV drip that keeps the rest of the franchise alive and moving forward...


Is that really the case? I mean, the live-action toylines have been growing smaller and smaller so it seems like the others have become more reliable.

 

 

I suspect that's just as much Hasbro tailoring things more (or a bit too) conservatively for the current retail environment, but yeah, Generations has really taken off in a big way seemingly starting with T30. That said, I think the franchise is MUCH healthier than something that needs an IV drip.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 09:35 AM

Like I get that it isn't performing as well as the other films but......making back your budget and going at least 12 million over doesn't really sound like a failure to me

It's not that simple. The studio only keeps a percentage of the gross. A good rule of thumb is 60% domestic, 40% International. China is on the low side at 25%. Then you also have to factor in marketing expenses. Figure that those expenses will come in at a quarter to a third of the production budget. Then you have to figure that there are opportunity costs to having your money invested in a movie. If you're spending 200 million on Transformers, you're not putting 200 million in the stock market. Over the last 18 months, we've seen pretty massive gains in that sector. So your target isn't to make back your money, it's to make more money than you would have if you'd gone with a conservative investment.

So your real target is production budget times 1.25 (marketing) times 1.15 (opportunity cost) times maybe 2.2 (to account for how much of the profits you actually keep, and realizing the Transformers weights towards the international.) My rough estimate puts 686 million as the effective Break Even point. Less than that and they really might as well have stayed home. Less than 600 and they probably actually lost money, not just underperformed the market. You could go into greater granularity but those figures should be roughly correct, give or take 20 million.

(Product placement should be already factored into the production budget. This does not take into account other revenue streams from things like merchandising, nor does it include any future revenue streams from home video or streaming or broadcast rights. But because of accounting quirks, movies are expected to make back their own budget without recourse to merchandising and future broadcast rights. Basically the future money goes to a different department.) (Generally speaking. Of course, there are exceptions. With a project like, say, Cars 3, the merchandising is the whole point and anything the movie makes is basically gravy.)

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:16 AM

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:32 AM

 

 

My guess is Bumblebee and everything else Hasbro related is gonna get scrapped now. Look for a complete reboot for all their cinematic properties. It's all toxic now.

https://www.forbes.c...u/#37c6779b7543

It might be a case where the Bumblebee is early enough that they can tweak the script and use it as a reboot springboard.

 

I've been thinking about this, too. If they want to reboot in a hurry, it's an ideal place to begin.

 

It really is, completely.  Brand new director with a decent pedigree from Laika, new screenwriter (and only one), set in the '80s, no returning actors, featuring just Bumblebee and whatever enemy.  Introduce a new Bumblebee design and eliminate any stagnating ties to AoE or TLK (if any) and you've got a reboot.

 

Fastest way to cut ties would be to have Bumblebee actually talk.


Edited by Spark, 28 June 2017 - 10:33 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:37 AM

A "prequel" to a series with confusing, contradictory, and abandoned continuity would be suicide. Are they going to start talking about the Allspark Cube again, in 2018?

Make Bee speak normally and not be the Camaro again.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:40 AM

Compromise, just have Bumblebee turn into the front half of a Camaro and the back half of a VW beetle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:48 AM

And he's voiced by Dan Gilvezan randomly shouting radio slogans.

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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:53 AM

It's quite likely he'll be a Beetle, Volkswagen being the only piece missing (and they did already sign off on a Masterpiece, so...). If that aspect coincides with the good reboot we're waiting for, I can't wait to see the smug Geewunning associating any success with the vehicle mode and 80s setting more than anything else.

And by "can't wait" I mean I wonder how much MORE distance I'm going to have to keep from the usual suspects.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:54 AM

I still don't think he should be a VW bug.  The '80s nostalgia wave has basically passed as far as most people are concerned, so pick something new.  Keep the stripes, though.

 

Voting for a Nissan Skyline R32 (although the dates make that tricky, since it happend in '89) or Toyota Corolla, personally.  An '80s Camaro is pretty distinctive, but that tie probably needs to be cut.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

Amen.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:01 AM

Y'know, unlike a lot of other 80's and 90's-era "muscle" cars, 80's model Camaros are actually fairly cool-looking, so I think it'd be cool if he turned into one of those.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:03 AM

I hope the Bumblebee movie doesn't get scrapped.  Everything I've seen about it so far seems very promising.  I'm not opposed to the idea of using it as a reboot, but a reboot just a year after the last installment in the franchise would be some kinda record.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:13 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:22 AM

Actually, you really want to make it clear this is a new Bumblebee?  Make him a motorcycle.

 

From that link, make him a Piaggio T5. Backdoor Gobots movie! :p


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:24 AM

this thread is starting to sound a lot like the other gi joe thread. 


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Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:04 PM

There's a lot I find disappointing about the movie series. But I'd rather have TF6 finish the story and we move on instead of a half reboot/half prequel Bumblebee story.

Make it a 90 minute direct to DVD, wrap up the plot threads intentionally left dangling in TF5, and take a 5 year break. Reboot like ST09
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