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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#41 Chris McFeely

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:04 AM

Another great episode.

 

How many episodes are you planning to make, Chris?

 

No set limit! Like I said I've got the "big four" this month, but there'll always be something to talk about, I reckon! 



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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:43 AM

It'd be cool later on to do an ep about personal canons (since I've noticed they tend to be bigger in the Transformers fandom than in others), reaching back to these eps to talk about how some fans can repurpose these name reuses into new (or obscure fan-favourite) characters (since Bumblebee, Bumblebee, and Bumblebee don't really have much in common, while Bumper and Tigertrack have vanished into obscurity).

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:59 AM

 

Another great episode.

 

How many episodes are you planning to make, Chris?

 

No set limit! Like I said I've got the "big four" this month, but there'll always be something to talk about, I reckon! 

 

Awesome! I wasn't sure if you had planned this to be a mini-series or an ongoing project. Either way, this is great stuff. :thumbsup


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Posted 10 June 2017 - 12:24 PM

Another great episode.
 
Minor nitpicking by a Beast Wars fan: That picture is of Santon, who is officially a separate character from BW Ironhide (and yes, there is a difference in their fictional designs). Meanwhile, BW Ironhide is G1 Ironhide in a new body, but only through retcons. All I'm saying is that Ironhide is a bigger mess to sort out than the video lets on.


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Posted 10 June 2017 - 06:09 PM


Great job again Chris. It's wonderful to have these out there for new fans. Thanks for doing all the work that goes into them and producing them at such a high level.

-ZacWilliam. I feel like the Wiki should have a little "For Beginners" box on the front page that links to this series. Just to help those coming in to everything for the first time get a good foundation.
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#46 Copper Bezel

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:13 AM

All I'm saying is that [Transformers] is a bigger mess to sort out than the video lets on.

You have to stop somewhere, particularly with woefully obscure characters like this. I figure as long as the simple description given is technically correct and doesn't do anything to confuse the bigger picture, it's probably fine. No one for whom this video is primarily intended needs to know, right at that moment, that there are two or three different characters represented by that particular image. Ironhide came in a set with G1 names and no story and then somebody said later on that, yeah, he's probably the same guy, while he was released in slightly different colors in Japan as a different dude.

 

But to say that BW Ironhide is the same guy as the original character is both technically accurate now and also passes the squint test, since in this context we don't care about the toy mold, only that Hasbro decided to release a new Ironhide in the same continuity as the original and say it was the same guy, which they did.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 June 2017 - 12:14 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:26 AM

Beast Wars Ironhide was introduced into a line where Scorponok, Inferno, and other classic names were assigned to unrelated characters, with no bio and no obvious similarity to G1 Ironhide other than them both having red. The toy probably wasn't designed with the intent of being the same guy.



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:34 AM

Beast Wars Ironhide was also sold in a box with guys named Prowl and Silverbolt.

Edited by Copper Bezel, 11 June 2017 - 12:34 AM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:19 AM

 

I like it!

Any ideas of what future episodes will entail?

 

Yup! My theme for this month of weekly episodes is "Who, What, Where, and How." Episode #1 is HOW does the world of TF work. Episode #2 is WHO - all about characters, the story behind name re-use and the evolution of "legacy" characters. #3 is WHAT  - what is a Transformer? A biology ep! And #4 is WHERE - where did they come from? Creation stories from atechnogenesis to Quintessons to Primus!

 

 

https://youtu.be/5drjr9PmTMA?t=2m10s

 

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:38 AM

I think that ticks all the biggest boxes for the debut month, and after that - on what'll likely not be a weekly schedule - it'll get more spotlight-y, with episodes dedicated to particular concepts (like the Matrix, Energon, Spacebridges, the Thirteen, the multiverse/singularities),

 

Speaking of singularities, fellow Allsparker Verity Carlo recently found a previously-undiscovered Ask Vector Prime answer in the Complete AllSpark Almanac that features a singularity-related question:

 

 

Q: Optimus Prime is sometimes one of the Thirteen, does this make him a multiversal singularity?

 

A: In a sense, yes. Most Universes have an Optimus Prime, and they tend towards exemplifying the best expressions of Autobot ideals. Megatron, Starscream, Grimlock, Shockwave, Bumblebee and the like could be similarly contextualized; as archetypes they are transcribed universally.

 

Really glad this one wasn't found until after the dissolution of the singularity concept.

 

I mention it here in case you'd need it to cite as one more official source of info for if/when you get to making a singularity-related episode. :thumbsup


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Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

#51 Copper Bezel

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 07:57 AM

Really glad this one wasn't found until after the dissolution of the singularity concept.

I dunno, I kinda like that it presciently reduces the MS concept to "brand-central characters tend to look sorta like other versions of themselves." Like, really take it seriously, and it's almost as good as the Shrouding at breaking the whole thing.


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Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:03 AM

I think any talk at length about singularities and such kind of takes a few steps above a series called The Basics.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:07 AM

It's not really CALLING them singularities-they're definitely not, no fiction ever would even portray them as such-all it's saying is that the quantum harmonic resonance around their identities is so strong, that most incarnations of them are virtually identical.

 

But then I'm sure every facebook poster would take it literally and not understand because they like to poke and proddle.



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:18 AM

An episode about the long running fandom memes could be fun.



#55 Copper Bezel

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 10:00 AM

It's not really CALLING them singularities

It certainly is, "in a sense"!

 

the quantum harmonic resonance around their identities is so strong

Fun fact: "quantum" is not sciencese for "a wizard did it". I'm sure that phrase has been used canonically somewhere to refer to the thing that you're referring to, but I'm also pretty sure that the thing you're referring to is also called "branding".

 

But then I'm sure every facebook poster would take it literally and not understand because they like to poke and proddle.

Given AVP was a Facebook thing, the thing you're describing is literally fan reaction by the target audience. It's not a side effect at that point, it is the efficacy, good or ill.


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 10:06 AM

Well, yes, that is the real world term for it.



#57 Copper Bezel

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 10:23 AM

I think any talk at length about singularities and such kind of takes a few steps above a series called The Basics.

I could see eventually coming around to almost anything that has had a large effect on a number of stories or continuities such that it's likely to be referenced in a lot of other The Basics videos. The question then would be whether or not it was ever a serious enough consideration to have influenced actual decisions made by Hasbro about story, continuity, and characters in major lines - which I think would be a hard argument to make. I imagine it'd probably come up if Chris does a video on Club fiction, though, in the same way that the Continuity video notes the special framing of the Aligned family.


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Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 11:40 AM

Informatively:

 

http://tfwiki.net/wi...monic_Resonance


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 11:46 AM

Anyway.
It bugged me that you referred to Shockblast as "Shockwave", Chris. Like, I get why, but..

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 11:46 AM

Ah yes, exactly the sort of thing I want to be showing someone who's new to the brand.


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