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@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:04 AM)

'Take that! People who care about things!'

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:02 AM)

With Brian, he stopped being the voice of reason and started to be the right wing notion of a liberal, someone who's lazy, pretentious, doesn't work at anything, is every bit as abusive as the rest of the cast and only wins arguments with strawmen.

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

Of course, I stopped enjoying Family Guy around that time, so my bias is clear. XP

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:54 AM)

Is it because they changed or we changed?  Stuff that was charming, or at least, funny at first can get really annoying the longer you know a person... and I find that can go for fictional characters as well.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

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@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:45 AM)

One example is Family Guy where around season 8 Brian is suddenly reviled by everyone and has acted way out of character since.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:44 AM)

My least favorite thing in fiction is when it changes hands so you get a author, writer or showrunner who hates a character or messes with a arc/layout.

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

You'll shoot yer eye out, kid.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I shot the sheriff.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:24 PM)

han wasn't even in the movie until later

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:23 PM)

the stormtroopers shot first

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 03:33 PM)

Maclunkey

@  Paladin : (14 July 2020 - 06:18 AM)

the correct answwer to "who shot first" will always be "Harrison Ford if he ever hears that hugging question again."

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.


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Posted 26 August 2017 - 05:11 PM

The current series of direct to video movies is mostly based on the comics and is not related to the old DCAU at all.  Some of them take 16-20 issues of a comic and compress them down to 75 minutes of animation.  Unrelated to either is the Unlimited setting, which turned out a few movies and a bunch of toys but seems to have run its course.  And they seem to be trying to make the Batman 66 stuff more than a one-shot.

 

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:06 PM

Nope. I don't even think that this is Timmverse either. I think that it is its own thing.


It couldn't be any more blatantly Timmverse. They just don't specifically acknowledge that, so they have an excuse to get around the "You're ruining my childhood!" people.

But, regardless of what they say on the record, in the most practical and reasonable sense, it's pretty much Timmverse, with some deliberate childhood-ruining perversions.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 10:06 PM

I thought Nightwing was involved with Starfire in this new DCAU (at least that seemed to be the case in Justice League vs Teen Titans)?  So I'm guessing, whatever ambiguity about it the creators have left, this isn't really canon with the main DCAU.

 

You're confused. JL vs Teen Titans is part of the animated new 52 continuity which is distinctly separate from the old DCAU.  Batman Harley is a stand-alone that capitalizes on but is not actually linked to the old DCAU.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:31 AM

Ah, I just figured people were calling these new animated movies (everything since Flashpoint, anyway) the DCAU now.  There's a "DC Universe" boxset coming out soon that contains all of them.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 01:22 AM

Sorry if this was already posted, but there's a mid-credits and a post-credits scene.

 

Overall, don't spend money on this.  Catch it whenever it arrives free on streaming services.


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

Sorry if this was already posted, but there's a mid-credits and a post-credits scene.
 
Overall, don't spend money on this.  Catch it whenever it arrives free on streaming services.


I've heard this way too many times to ignore it. I have it on my Netflix DVD queue. It says long wait and it was discounted to $16 at Best Buy. So I was tempted. But then I remember everything said about it and though...hug it. Long wait be damned. I'm waiting. And I'm not really looking forward to it so much the more I hear to be honest.
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Posted 09 September 2017 - 08:47 PM

 

 

I wasn't adverse to doing a DCAU/Timmverse film that could poke fun at itself.  And early on...there were some legitimately good bits...but every good "bit" is crapped on by something that I either rolled my eyes at or just pissed me off...often right together!  FAR too much of this felt like a pure indulgence to Timm and the crew...for their own amusement.  It took itself too seriously for a comedy, yet was too eager to stick in any old bit of comedy it could scrap together.  And much of it hung pretty low on the tree, so to speak.  There was some solid ideas at play in the overall story...but the film itself never seemed sure of what it really wanted to do.

 

But the point I went "Meh" to "Oh for hugs sake" was the henchmen shack.  I was all over the easter eggs and in jokes, regardless the sense it made, even if it spent FAR too much time INDULGING in song sequences.  But then the henchmen obviously ganged up on the heroes...for Batman to hork down a glass of milk (?), DROP HIS GODDAMN UTILITY BELT and smile like a sadistic bastard to beat them up to 60s style exclamations over a damn still shot of the exterior.  And just minutes before we spent several minutes and a fairly elaborate "chase sequence" for Harley to attack a schoolmate that stuck her up.  REALLY?

The film is FULL of shit like this: a solid sequence or set up...flushed down the toilet for cheap gags.

WTF?!

 

 

Feels like a longstanding issue anymore: a creator comes to fame making or reinterpreting classic material in a new and popular way.  Then they ride this success to future projects where they have less and less oversight...and we get crap like this.  

Saw it in the Killing Joke adaption.  In the Star Wars prequels.  IN pretty much anything Frank Miller has produced over the last 20 years.  If it isn't some sort of meme, it should be.



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Posted 09 September 2017 - 09:09 PM

I went and rented it off of Amazon. Admittedly it looks like I had seen the majority of it on someone's YouTube channel save for a couple of scenes . Frankly I enjoyed it. It was an aged up and lengthened Batman TAS episode. Too many call backs to say otherwise. One can consider it non canonical but it was a fun romp to me. Sure the bedroom scene with Harley and Nightwing was there but it wasn't even close to as bad as some have made it out. Sure Dick hesitates for understandable reasons, but you can't tell me he wasn't willing.

And really other than a few fart jokes I had a good time with the flick. Sure it was a bit out of character considering the strong TAS leanings and the ending was just huh?! But it's meant to be more of a comedy than anything else. And with Harley starring why would you expect otherwise?

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 03:42 AM

Harley has serious eps. Not just Mad Love with her origin. Harliquinade (spelling) had her entertain in a club too but had a real dark ending that bothered me as a kid. (when she was threatening to shoot the Joker and he was daring her, saying she would never go against him etc etc then she actually pulls the trigger! Shocking that they had her shoot him in the face. Of course, it was the wrong gun but they both didn't know that. But even more twisted that Joker welcomed her gleefully into his arms, I guess cuz he knew she was just as crazy. Couldn't quite wrap my young head around their damage relationship dynamic.

Actually, I kinda enjoyed the henchmen guess who's who and, surprisingly, I enjoyed hearing the twins' song. If it wasn't for the atrocious dancing animation (ye gods), I would have thought it a highlight.

Nightwing's jerk motion surprised me more than the him getting excited in bed.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 12:57 PM

There once was a man named Bruce Timm

And everyone used to love him

But he made some bad flicks

Now everyone's sick

Of that creepy old pervert Bruce Timm


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 03:30 PM

Sorry if this was already posted, but there's a mid-credits and a post-credits scene. Overall, don't spend money on this.  Catch it whenever it arrives free on streaming services.

I've heard this way too many times to ignore it. I have it on my Netflix DVD queue. It says long wait and it was discounted to $16 at Best Buy. So I was tempted. But then I remember everything said about it and though...hug it. Long wait be damned. I'm waiting. And I'm not really looking forward to it so much the more I hear to be honest.
Well, in spite of the fact that the list said "long wait," I just got an email saying it's been sent.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:46 PM

There once was a man named Bruce Timm

And everyone used to love him

But he made some bad flicks

Now everyone's sick

Of that creepy old pervert Bruce Timm

 

The thing is, the perverted side was always there...just restrained. It started peeking out in The New Batman Adventures and he alluded to it in Beyond, but it was his "help" with the Killing Joke that made everyone realize that it wasn't some uncomfortable/awkward bit of history...this man has a ship and dammit is he going to share it with the world.


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

There once was a man named Bruce Timm
And everyone used to love him
But he made some bad flicks
Now everyone's sick
Of that creepy old pervert Bruce Timm

 
The thing is, the perverted side was always there...just restrained. It started peeking out in The New Batman Adventures and he alluded to it in Beyond, but it was his "help" with the Killing Joke that made everyone realize that it wasn't some uncomfortable/awkward bit of history...this man has a ship and dammit is he going to share it with the world.

Still not sure why this is surprising. Naughty and Nice: The Good Girl Art of Bruce Timm was published like 5 years ago
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:28 PM

Wait, really? I did not know that at all.

But yeah, Timms Bruce/Babs ship has been there all along. Its just really depressing to see him use it unrestrained and in places it shouldn't be.

Also, Nightwing and Harley flirting, and the rest. Just, why?

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:38 PM

The time honored, slightly NSFW, addage springs to mind:

 

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EDIT: ....

 

OH MY GAWD I JUST GOT IT!

BRUCE TIMM YOU SLY [censored]!

Ya got me!

 

Hint: Nightwing's name


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:18 PM

What the ever loving hug did I just watch? Like...seriously! What...the ever loving hug...did I just watch?

I mean, I would just write an essay for the next few pages doing my own personal Cinema Sins of this whole thing, but that would kill me. KILL...ME...!

I mean, I knew it was going to be bad...but...damn! I mean...damn!
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:55 PM

So am I going to watch this and find the overreactions to be heavily unwarranted?

As people tend to overreact to these types of things very heavily. :)

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:39 PM

I would say so. But I seem to be the odd one out here. I like cartoons and all but I don't usually consider them serious business. By all means this wasn't a good movie but it's not as bad as everyone here seems to be making it out as.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:48 PM

It really is bad. And as much as it pains me to say it, the Nightwing/Harley sex thing wasn't even the worst of it, though that's pretty bad too. They bullied and basically blackmailed Harley into joining even though she was only trying to live the straight life after a life of crime, Batman kept treating her like shit even though (again) she was trying to straighten out her life, a long chase scene that predictably goes nowhere and could have been cut, a long driving scene from point A to B that could have been significantly cut down, fart joke sequence (I never thought I'd say the words 'fart joke' in a sentence in relation to a Batman movie, but, hey, here we are), a deus ex machina that goes nowhere...and you never see the villain defeated. They come up with the plan and...CUT TO MOTHER HUGGING BLACK!!!!

Oh...and also...

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It's bad. It's just really bad. So much could've been cut and made absolutely no difference to the "plot." If it were funny stuff, I'd have been okay with it. But I never laughed once and more often than not was just face palming.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:30 PM

On the plus side, you didnt pay for it!
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