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@  Rycochet : (13 December 2019 - 11:56 AM)

Unlike many of his peers, Morton diesn't seem to have gone out of his way to try and take every drug going so he's aged remarkably well.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Doesn't seem to have been a market for it, which is too bad, because it perfectly does what it sets out to do.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Just opened it and suddenly I'm 9 years old again.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Bought myself Fansproject Glacialord for my birthday during their Black Friday sale.

@  Nevermore : (12 December 2019 - 07:45 PM)

Morten Harket of A-ha might have aged 35 years on the outside, but his voice is still pretty much the same as it was in 1984. That's some great training and exercise for you.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 December 2019 - 06:59 PM)

Depends entirely on how badly you cooked them. What?

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 December 2019 - 05:33 PM)

Can it raise the dead?

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:33 PM)

Cheddar can do just about anything.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Cream cheese has to be on a bagel or crackers.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:31 PM)

(for example: I like Swiss cheese on sandwiches, but find it merely tolerable by itself)

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:30 PM)

I mean are you eating it by itself? With crackers? On a sandwich?

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

I would ask, but I'd rather not know.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (12 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

With my mouth, usually.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 08:48 AM)

Depends on how you're eating it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (12 December 2019 - 01:40 AM)

Havarti, without a doubt.

@  Greebtron : (12 December 2019 - 01:28 AM)

Not Don, thanks. I'd like a writer who actually cares enough to do the job properly

@  Benbot : (11 December 2019 - 09:34 PM)

What's your favorite cheese? I'm not sure, but it's hard to beat muenster.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 05:10 PM)

Man I wish IDW could do a season 2.5 with a few writers like Michael Charles Hill or Donald F Glut or Paul Davids involved.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 December 2019 - 04:33 PM)

They were looking for Skids, but the animators forgot he existed again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 02:58 PM)

He regrouped with Omega Supreme, the Dinobots, Skyfire and the Protectobots.

@  Benbot : (11 December 2019 - 08:20 AM)

Did he get infected with the rest of the Autobots or did he smartly remain off-planet?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 December 2019 - 05:38 AM)

He really just went to the beach for a couple of days, then called it in. Who's gonna follow up on it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 05:05 AM)

Anyone really believe Cosmos searched far enough for more ingredient for Corrostop?

@  Nevermore : (11 December 2019 - 03:48 AM)

Oh, we are pretty good at "forgetting" about that. Insisting on sending people home on their overtime, THEN suddenly rushing to do the "backlog" stuff when it's really overdue.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 December 2019 - 05:43 PM)

I've yet to find an organization which didn't have a backlog of "stuff" that needs to be done, but isn't important enough to put on the schedule proper.

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 December 2019 - 05:01 PM)

I'm sure most good/bad (depending on your POV) bosses would be able to find something for the worker to do, in most cases, even if it's spending 8 hours pretending to push a broom around

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 December 2019 - 04:39 PM)

Still better than American jobs. x.x;

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 December 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I'm pretty sure you've already mentioned this before. Especially that last one.

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:05 AM)

That can be fun if you're strong-willed enough. "Hey, you want to go home? Overtime reduction, there's nothing to do..." - "Nah, not today. I want to work."

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:04 AM)

This applies to the field of work as well. Meaning, your boss orders you to show up for a full shift, you show up on time and are absolutely willing to work, and then your boss realizes he has no work for you, your boss has to pay you for a full shift even if you don't work at all.

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:03 AM)

Fun fact: German law has a concept named "default in acceptance", which postulates that if there is a "service for payment" contract, the party that should provide the service correctly offers their due service, and the party that should pay fails to accept the service within due time, the second party still has to pay the first party even if there was no service delivered.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:54 PM)

If it's seasonal affective disorder, check with your doc about vitamin D supplements.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:46 PM)

That's what I was thinking too, It's the christmas rush and if that's not stressful enough the cold weather can also impact mental health.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 12:41 PM)

Might be a stupid question given the comment, BUT: have you done anything outside the ordinary lately? Might just be a stress reaction.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I've experienced sleep paralysis with ghostly images and similar things in the past and can snap out of it through moving my fingers. I've definitely hallucinated before and members of both sides of the family have had similar experience, some suffered forms of mental instability in two cases schizophrenia.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:47 AM)

So... either a hallucination or night terrors. Are you prone to this kind of thing?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:55 PM)

It kept repeating until I sat up.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:54 PM)

I've been up since three and when sheepish I was hallucinating something knocking twice against my bedroom door.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 December 2019 - 06:58 PM)

Then repaint Apeface and Snapdragon as Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron. It's crazy enough to work.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Moral imperative.

@  Nevermore : (07 December 2019 - 05:13 PM)

Wishful thinking, rumor or leak?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Snapdragon for Earthrise.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

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#1 Johnny Here

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:34 PM

Id argue that bar Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all heroes can be replaceable. The main original Leaguers dont have really definable personality traits to me.

I was reading Justice League the other day and Flash said something about running up and pranking Captain Cold during the stint where he was Luthors body guard...and i totally thought that sounds like dcau Wally West.

Hal Jordan's only defining trait is really hes a jerk who really likes women...and i really felt like they amped it up higher than it needed to be.

And more than that...other than comic fans no one really cared about who's who. If you asked random ppl on the street whos who i doubt the average person could really answer.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:49 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:57 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:18 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:26 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.
 
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My biggeat thing is, theyre not even like they used to be.

And this is unrelated but i miss the old shit talking cyborg, the modern one is really boring.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:28 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.
There is a reason. The writers want to write about the guy they read as kids which aligns with the crusty old readers that form the majority of readers since kids barely read at all, let alone comic books, nowadays. Is it a good reason? Not particularly, but eh, there are worse things to happen in comics

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:05 PM

As much as I respect Geoff Johns, I'll never forgive him for being responsible for Wally being essentially shelved for YEARS.

 

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

 

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

 

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.

 

Personally? I'd love stories. Long form stories, single-issue stories, just good stories and good art. I'd love an escape from everything I'm seeing on the news. Give me fantastic, unrealistic, but well written and well drawn comics, like what drew people into comics in the first place.

 

DC's Rebirth touched on this. I was skeptical about bringing in the Watchmen, but it's working. DC feels exciting these days. Marvel...there's some select titles that I love.

 

However bad the first issues Jane Foster as Thor was, the current stuff has been FUN. The recent Asgard/Shi'ar War story arc with the Shi'ar gods was absolutely fun. Infamous Iron Man, even with Bendis, is a fun look into the mind of Victor Von Doom trying to redeem himself. The Ultimates has a very diverse cast, but that's not the focus. The focus is STORYTELLING and it's been fantastic. I wouldn't have bought Good Guy Galactus (apart from Hickman writing him) but here we are. Al Ewing's been experimenting with continuity and explaining a lot of continuity gaffes in the process, and this is the type of Cosmic Marvel stuff I've personally been missing since DnA's Guardians ended.

 

And as controversial as Steve Rogers: Captain America has been, it's actually a damn good look into how much Steve's been altered. It's like a train wreck. And goddammit, it's been written well.

 

As for DC, the recent Button story arc and Superman regaining his pre-New 52 history have been really, really good reads.

 

Marvel's gonna try the Legacy thing with Generations. I HOPE it leads to more good titles, because lord knows they need more of those these days. I was all for Amadeus Cho as the Hulk, but they didn't need Bruce dead. Same with Tony (well, he's comatose, but STILL), Thor, Cap being Evil, Wolverine encased in Adamantium and suffocating...at lest Peter Parker and Miles Morales coexist. As do Richard Rider and Nova. And Carol and Kamala. Marvel has a lot to learn about Legacy characters, but I hope they're not following DC's example.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:12 PM

I did like how briefly before New 52, Jay, Barry and Wally were all active as the Flash.

Likewise in the late 90's-early 2000's Justice League where Wally was the middleman between the senior members and the newbies. Like how he could talk to Superman about the League's future then the next panel gets into a "last one's a rotten egg" race with Kyle

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:26 AM

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.


Here's the problem with that. The "Most people/actual audience/old school fan" you are talking about is mostly a tiny little handful of middle age guys. It's too small a number to support the comic book industry any more and it's a number that's absolutely shrinking every year.

The industry absolutely and absolutely desperately needs those "casual fans who probably don't read comics" to start reading and kids too. If those don't happen the industry could be dead or dwindled to bookstore tpbs in our lifetime or shortly after.

I agree that good stories are a key thing you want but let's face it, Good stories were generally NOT what comics had going for them when they were a growing, suceeding or healthy industry. They were absolutely disposable junk. But they were fun, and bright, eminently CHEAP AND ACCESSIBLE, inspiring, exciting, disposable junk. You can judge by my caps the two I think they have lost that have hurt them the most.

The big two have absolutely not captured the new/casual/non-90s/00s audience they need as well as they need but giving up and running back to the shrinking old reader base isn't gonna put them in good shape either. We're aging/pricing out or dying off too fast and that's not gonna stop. Things like Squirrel Girl and Hell Cat, Moon Girl or the Unstoppable Wasp and I don't know Gotham Academy on DC's side that have strong appeal outside the main old man audience are absolutely a good necessary idea. They absolutely need that audience as much as they need us old guys.

-ZacWilliam, which is a bit off course from what the thread was started to talk about but kinda needed pointing out. There's a lot of things the industry could absolutely be doing different/better that could maybe save it, but playing solely to their small and shrinking base (even though I'm absolutely that base) isn't gonna do it.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 11:41 AM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back.

 

I don't know, I think the simple fact that their return helped streamline some of history and bring forth the Spectrum of Light that led to Darkest Night was a justifiable reason.

 

The return of Hal Jordan is actually what got me back into reading comics. I hold no bias towards him. In fact, I prefer almost all the other lanterns over him, but his return jump started a string of stories that were pretty awesome.

 

Even then, the whole 'coming back to life' thing was covered in Darkest Night / Brightest Day. At least they addressed it and provided an in-universe reason.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 04:01 PM

Hal's return fortunately actually helped bring the others relevant as well outside of Alan Scott. Even after the start of the New 52 we continued with Kyle, Guy, and John and actually swelled the ranks with Simon and Jessica.

But as said Barry's Return did eventually shelve the majority of the Flash family for the majority of comics since Flashpoint. And similarly portions of the Bat family have been out of commission since but it was an odd mix since the majority of Robins were kept in form but the Batgirls were all shelved in favor of Barbra coming back.

Marvel on the other hand has been odd mixes. For a time we had a team of Hulks and now we only have Amadeus running around active. Peter was usually only sharing the Spider mantle with a Spider-Girl or Woman and Venom, but now there's a nest of spiders. Tony has been back and forth usually only sharing his tech with Rhodes, but now we have Pepper, Riri, and oddly Doom wearing the Iron Mantle in the last decade. Marvel just has always had a back and forth relationship with Legacy. Danny Ketch was Ghost Rider for a good portion of the 90's but eventually got booted back for Johnny only for him later to get replaced by Robbie now.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:14 PM

Don;t mind who it is really but car Ghost Rider just isn't the same.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:39 AM

What about Giant Mining Bucketwheel Excavator Ghost Rider?
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:35 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:38 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:44 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:26 PM

Given the alien weapon armor thing, he's going to be more interesting as a fighting game character than Ted Kord and is more likely to appeal to children.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:37 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

Probably because the original Blue Beetle wasnt that popular so they decided to do something with the legacy.

Hes pretty differeent from Spider-Man, the only thing they have in common is being young heroes with a bug motif.

I dont know where the mandate for diversity thing came from, thats a pretty weird comment.

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:06 AM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.
Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

Well Marvel tried the Ultimate Universe and DC had the New 52 to create new jumping on points for new readers, but it seems like people just want more simplified back-to-basics stories (i.e., an encyclopedic knowledge of the universe isn't needed to really appreciate the stories) with the original characters instead of new versions of them.

So, they had to each reboot again. Marvel killed off the Ultimate Universe, while DC "undid" the New 52 with Rebirth.

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