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@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 October 2020 - 02:58 AM)

Which probably adds to the "reasons they should just stop making more of The Simpsons" pile.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 October 2020 - 02:58 AM)

You make it sound like The Simpsons becoming less repetitive is a bad thing.

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 October 2020 - 02:48 AM)

Remember when Simpsons Halloween specials parodied horror movies and would have the characters make off out of character remarks like "we chucked donuts at a old man for kicks."? they don't and can't do that any more.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 October 2020 - 08:00 PM)

Tired of the same old Halloween stuff? Check out Tubi. The depths of the schlock available is astounding.

@  Donocropolis : (27 October 2020 - 11:51 AM)

Not sure if it's news or not, but I'm at Ross right now and they have Masterpiece Movie Ironhide for $24.99

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 October 2020 - 12:45 AM)

Final Fantasy 7 Remake’s Best Buy exclusive deluxe version is available for $10 as one of today’s daily deals

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 October 2020 - 08:50 PM)

We can play the "Is it a real headline or an Onion headline" game.

@  Steevy Maximus : (26 October 2020 - 08:22 PM)

It's weird to see how much of Larry Hama's "satire" from the old GI Joe comic has no longer become satire in the past few years.

@  Maximus Ambus : (26 October 2020 - 11:29 AM)

Funny how 2020 gave me new appreciation for Dawn of the Dead 1978.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 07:43 PM)

@Fenix Twilight Sure. Just not a good one.

@  Fenix Twilight : (25 October 2020 - 04:02 PM)

@Sukoshiko Well his clothes left an impression on you didn't they?

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 October 2020 - 06:09 AM)

I just read "Tesla Cybertruck" like AC/DC's "Thunderstruck", now it won't get out of my head, so I inflict it on all of you as well.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Tesla Cybertruck: amazing or just silly looking? I can't decide.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:24 AM)

Weird question: I had to deal with a guy today... I'm not exactly up on modern fashions... or even archaic fashions... But this guy... Tuxedo Jacket and shirt, studs in all the button holes except the bottom one, blue jeans, and cowboy boots... Take a moment to imagine that get up. And this was to a business meeting, trying to impress someone. What look is that? Who on earth would dress that way? (I mean on purpose)

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:04 PM)

I think the few up here were lost to bad placement, poor weather, and the usual language trap.

@  TM2-Megatron : (24 October 2020 - 04:25 PM)

There are 5 spread around southwestern Ontario, all run by the same company. I've only been to the one in my area, but it seems to do good business even in non-pandemic times. On long weekends, when they do triple features, there's a normally a lineup to get in Friday and Saturday nights

@  Telly : (24 October 2020 - 01:51 PM)

there been one outside of my town for as long as ive been alive at least. its gone through its share of owners and periods of being closed down, but its been open for the past decade at least

@  Otaku : (24 October 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Bias from personal experience, but drive-in theaters are nearly extinct.  I grew up near one but it went out of business in the late 80s, and was torn down and replaced with some other business by the early 90s.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

Out here, I mean. Couldn't comment on their popularity in place where they actually exist.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:44 AM)

I wouldn't know. They've only come back into vogue with the social distancing from the plague, and while some places have made an effort to shoestring the places together, it's all largely too distant to be accessible.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:46 PM)

I'd hate to see ours replaced by condos. They're a great way to spend an evening, whether with family or on a date. And they've never been as common in Canada as the US, so we cna't afford to lose as many

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:45 PM)

Largely they were either poorly placed or bought out and torn down to be replaced by something other than over priced short term parking. Mostly condos.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:14 PM)

I guess your winters are worse, so they have a shorter operating season. Drive-ins in the Toronto area can usually operate until early or mid-December; maybe even into early January if there's no real snowfall, and open up again sometime in March.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:13 PM)

THere's really only 1 left in the entire province?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Ha! It's probably faster for me to drive to your drive in than to make my way to the only one left in quebec.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Fortunately we still have a drive-in theatre that's exempt from the closures about a 10 minute drive away

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Theatres around here are closed again for at least another couple weeks (wouldn't be surprised if it's extended by another month or so, either), but that's what they've been doing here as well. Playing the old classics

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 October 2020 - 02:36 PM)

I got Earthrise Megatron, he's better then I thought he'd be though Netflix Megatron is still tops.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:44 AM)

The original Rocky movie is also showing. May go next weekend. That’s how you get people back in the theatres - show the old classics every adult loves.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 10:35 AM)

They did a limited run showing of it up here too, back when the theaters were open... red zones suck.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:13 AM)

The original Back To The Future is showing in the Odeon in the UK now. I think I will go see it tomorrow.

@  Donocropolis : (23 October 2020 - 05:51 AM)

It was either the Bumblebee or Cliffjumper. Can't remember the colors.

@  Kalidor : (22 October 2020 - 06:43 PM)

What did it look like?

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 01:34 PM)

I swear I remember getting the Happymeal G1 minibot as a child, but I live 2.5 hours from St. Louis, which is the only place they apparently came out. It's possible that I got it on a family vacation, though, as we went to Six Flags pretty often.

@  ▲ndrusi : (22 October 2020 - 01:07 PM)

Conversely, I had the Gobot helicopter from Wendy's and I was absolutely convinced it was an actual Transformer.

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 08:13 AM)

I used to rubber-band Hot-Wheels style construction vehicles together and pretend it was Devestator.

@  Bass X0 : (21 October 2020 - 05:26 PM)

When I was about four years old, my parents bought me Bugbite and tried to tell me it was Bumblebee. I was not yet a fan of Transformers, but I knew that wasn't Bumblebee. I didn't even have the real Bumblebee at that time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:39 PM)

It would come with two soundtracks: the eighties classic and one featuring dubstep and the VAs are popular Youtubers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 12:13 PM)

But yeah, reading it: I came off as a bit of an ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:52 AM)

I just couldn't think of worse music than disco...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 11:35 AM)

What were you trying to imply with the mocking sarcasm, though? Nobody suggested that '80s music was any more "of it's time" than '70s music.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:18 AM)

I said that disco wouldn't fare much better with the same context: media is property of it's time; biases, culture and limitations are all inherent in that. Some stuff can be brought forward because of an inherently timeless nature or the simplicity with which it was made but lots of media is a time capsule of the period of when it was made.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 08:46 AM)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, or what you even think I said.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 08:11 AM)

Yeah, cause disco would make the transition so much better...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 07:17 AM)

I feel the '80s music would be jarring when running over current-day CGI instead of well, '80s visuals.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 05:39 AM)

Not a remake, reanimated scene for scene, like that fan vid titled they were always real to me.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2020 - 04:37 AM)

Because we need more remakes these days.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:36 AM)

Be a hoot if these Studio Series 86 toys led to Transformers The Move Reanimated like Pokemon Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution.

@  Paladin : (20 October 2020 - 05:15 PM)

only takes three pounds to be a cereal killer.

@  Kalidor : (20 October 2020 - 04:54 PM)

5 pounds is a lot of cereal! /deadpan


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#1 Johnny Here

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:34 PM

Id argue that bar Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all heroes can be replaceable. The main original Leaguers dont have really definable personality traits to me.

I was reading Justice League the other day and Flash said something about running up and pranking Captain Cold during the stint where he was Luthors body guard...and i totally thought that sounds like dcau Wally West.

Hal Jordan's only defining trait is really hes a jerk who really likes women...and i really felt like they amped it up higher than it needed to be.

And more than that...other than comic fans no one really cared about who's who. If you asked random ppl on the street whos who i doubt the average person could really answer.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:49 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:57 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:18 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:26 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.
 
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:28 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.
There is a reason. The writers want to write about the guy they read as kids which aligns with the crusty old readers that form the majority of readers since kids barely read at all, let alone comic books, nowadays. Is it a good reason? Not particularly, but eh, there are worse things to happen in comics

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:05 PM

As much as I respect Geoff Johns, I'll never forgive him for being responsible for Wally being essentially shelved for YEARS.

 

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

 

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

 

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.

 

Personally? I'd love stories. Long form stories, single-issue stories, just good stories and good art. I'd love an escape from everything I'm seeing on the news. Give me fantastic, unrealistic, but well written and well drawn comics, like what drew people into comics in the first place.

 

DC's Rebirth touched on this. I was skeptical about bringing in the Watchmen, but it's working. DC feels exciting these days. Marvel...there's some select titles that I love.

 

However bad the first issues Jane Foster as Thor was, the current stuff has been FUN. The recent Asgard/Shi'ar War story arc with the Shi'ar gods was absolutely fun. Infamous Iron Man, even with Bendis, is a fun look into the mind of Victor Von Doom trying to redeem himself. The Ultimates has a very diverse cast, but that's not the focus. The focus is STORYTELLING and it's been fantastic. I wouldn't have bought Good Guy Galactus (apart from Hickman writing him) but here we are. Al Ewing's been experimenting with continuity and explaining a lot of continuity gaffes in the process, and this is the type of Cosmic Marvel stuff I've personally been missing since DnA's Guardians ended.

 

And as controversial as Steve Rogers: Captain America has been, it's actually a damn good look into how much Steve's been altered. It's like a train wreck. And goddammit, it's been written well.

 

As for DC, the recent Button story arc and Superman regaining his pre-New 52 history have been really, really good reads.

 

Marvel's gonna try the Legacy thing with Generations. I HOPE it leads to more good titles, because lord knows they need more of those these days. I was all for Amadeus Cho as the Hulk, but they didn't need Bruce dead. Same with Tony (well, he's comatose, but STILL), Thor, Cap being Evil, Wolverine encased in Adamantium and suffocating...at lest Peter Parker and Miles Morales coexist. As do Richard Rider and Nova. And Carol and Kamala. Marvel has a lot to learn about Legacy characters, but I hope they're not following DC's example.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:12 PM

I did like how briefly before New 52, Jay, Barry and Wally were all active as the Flash.

Likewise in the late 90's-early 2000's Justice League where Wally was the middleman between the senior members and the newbies. Like how he could talk to Superman about the League's future then the next panel gets into a "last one's a rotten egg" race with Kyle

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:26 AM

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.


Here's the problem with that. The "Most people/actual audience/old school fan" you are talking about is mostly a tiny little handful of middle age guys. It's too small a number to support the comic book industry any more and it's a number that's absolutely shrinking every year.

The industry absolutely and absolutely desperately needs those "casual fans who probably don't read comics" to start reading and kids too. If those don't happen the industry could be dead or dwindled to bookstore tpbs in our lifetime or shortly after.

I agree that good stories are a key thing you want but let's face it, Good stories were generally NOT what comics had going for them when they were a growing, suceeding or healthy industry. They were absolutely disposable junk. But they were fun, and bright, eminently CHEAP AND ACCESSIBLE, inspiring, exciting, disposable junk. You can judge by my caps the two I think they have lost that have hurt them the most.

The big two have absolutely not captured the new/casual/non-90s/00s audience they need as well as they need but giving up and running back to the shrinking old reader base isn't gonna put them in good shape either. We're aging/pricing out or dying off too fast and that's not gonna stop. Things like Squirrel Girl and Hell Cat, Moon Girl or the Unstoppable Wasp and I don't know Gotham Academy on DC's side that have strong appeal outside the main old man audience are absolutely a good necessary idea. They absolutely need that audience as much as they need us old guys.

-ZacWilliam, which is a bit off course from what the thread was started to talk about but kinda needed pointing out. There's a lot of things the industry could absolutely be doing different/better that could maybe save it, but playing solely to their small and shrinking base (even though I'm absolutely that base) isn't gonna do it.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 11:41 AM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back.

 

I don't know, I think the simple fact that their return helped streamline some of history and bring forth the Spectrum of Light that led to Darkest Night was a justifiable reason.

 

The return of Hal Jordan is actually what got me back into reading comics. I hold no bias towards him. In fact, I prefer almost all the other lanterns over him, but his return jump started a string of stories that were pretty awesome.

 

Even then, the whole 'coming back to life' thing was covered in Darkest Night / Brightest Day. At least they addressed it and provided an in-universe reason.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 04:01 PM

Hal's return fortunately actually helped bring the others relevant as well outside of Alan Scott. Even after the start of the New 52 we continued with Kyle, Guy, and John and actually swelled the ranks with Simon and Jessica.

But as said Barry's Return did eventually shelve the majority of the Flash family for the majority of comics since Flashpoint. And similarly portions of the Bat family have been out of commission since but it was an odd mix since the majority of Robins were kept in form but the Batgirls were all shelved in favor of Barbra coming back.

Marvel on the other hand has been odd mixes. For a time we had a team of Hulks and now we only have Amadeus running around active. Peter was usually only sharing the Spider mantle with a Spider-Girl or Woman and Venom, but now there's a nest of spiders. Tony has been back and forth usually only sharing his tech with Rhodes, but now we have Pepper, Riri, and oddly Doom wearing the Iron Mantle in the last decade. Marvel just has always had a back and forth relationship with Legacy. Danny Ketch was Ghost Rider for a good portion of the 90's but eventually got booted back for Johnny only for him later to get replaced by Robbie now.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:14 PM

Don;t mind who it is really but car Ghost Rider just isn't the same.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:39 AM

What about Giant Mining Bucketwheel Excavator Ghost Rider?
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:35 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:38 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:44 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:26 PM

Given the alien weapon armor thing, he's going to be more interesting as a fighting game character than Ted Kord and is more likely to appeal to children.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:37 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

Probably because the original Blue Beetle wasnt that popular so they decided to do something with the legacy.

Hes pretty differeent from Spider-Man, the only thing they have in common is being young heroes with a bug motif.

I dont know where the mandate for diversity thing came from, thats a pretty weird comment.

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:06 AM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.
Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

Well Marvel tried the Ultimate Universe and DC had the New 52 to create new jumping on points for new readers, but it seems like people just want more simplified back-to-basics stories (i.e., an encyclopedic knowledge of the universe isn't needed to really appreciate the stories) with the original characters instead of new versions of them.

So, they had to each reboot again. Marvel killed off the Ultimate Universe, while DC "undid" the New 52 with Rebirth.

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