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@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (26 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm Making The TF Roll Out Short "Gotta Go Fast!"

@  Benbot : (26 November 2019 - 12:52 PM)

That's what I was hoping for. But here I am, at work the following day.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

You say "die in bed" and I'm thinking "why is that a problem?".

@  fourteenwings : (26 November 2019 - 07:06 AM)

If you don't get out of bed ever your muscles will lock in super-uncomfortable ways and you may get blood clots

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:53 PM)

You did nothing, and so rocks fall down and you die.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 08:35 PM)

But that's not you doing something, that's something being done to you.

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Unless a meteor crashes down on your bed while you're in it.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 07:08 PM)

I've been trying for the last few hours to find an argument to counter this... and I can't do it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 03:32 PM)

The most dangerous thing you can do is get out of bed in the morning. Everything else that happens is a consequence of that one terrible, terrible decision.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Driving, by itself, is dangerous. Anything done to compromise the concentration of the pilot just makes things worse.

@  Benbot : (25 November 2019 - 12:46 PM)

Actually, I think you could make a reasonable argument for saying driving with glasses is dangerous. That is, more dangerous than driving with contacts or perfect vision. You have poor peripheral vision with glasses.


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#1 Johnny Here

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:34 PM

Id argue that bar Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman all heroes can be replaceable. The main original Leaguers dont have really definable personality traits to me.

I was reading Justice League the other day and Flash said something about running up and pranking Captain Cold during the stint where he was Luthors body guard...and i totally thought that sounds like dcau Wally West.

Hal Jordan's only defining trait is really hes a jerk who really likes women...and i really felt like they amped it up higher than it needed to be.

And more than that...other than comic fans no one really cared about who's who. If you asked random ppl on the street whos who i doubt the average person could really answer.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:49 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 05:57 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:18 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:26 PM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.
 
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 06:28 PM

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says

What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back. I and pretty much a lot of other people grew up with the third gen heroes. And yes they can share the name, but Wally West is pretty mich stuck in the horrible Titans title for now.

Like it seems a silly question to ask now because death doesnt mean anything any more but i really thought they were gone amd their succeasors had inherited the title.
There is a reason. The writers want to write about the guy they read as kids which aligns with the crusty old readers that form the majority of readers since kids barely read at all, let alone comic books, nowadays. Is it a good reason? Not particularly, but eh, there are worse things to happen in comics

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:05 PM

As much as I respect Geoff Johns, I'll never forgive him for being responsible for Wally being essentially shelved for YEARS.

 

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

 

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

 

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.

 

Personally? I'd love stories. Long form stories, single-issue stories, just good stories and good art. I'd love an escape from everything I'm seeing on the news. Give me fantastic, unrealistic, but well written and well drawn comics, like what drew people into comics in the first place.

 

DC's Rebirth touched on this. I was skeptical about bringing in the Watchmen, but it's working. DC feels exciting these days. Marvel...there's some select titles that I love.

 

However bad the first issues Jane Foster as Thor was, the current stuff has been FUN. The recent Asgard/Shi'ar War story arc with the Shi'ar gods was absolutely fun. Infamous Iron Man, even with Bendis, is a fun look into the mind of Victor Von Doom trying to redeem himself. The Ultimates has a very diverse cast, but that's not the focus. The focus is STORYTELLING and it's been fantastic. I wouldn't have bought Good Guy Galactus (apart from Hickman writing him) but here we are. Al Ewing's been experimenting with continuity and explaining a lot of continuity gaffes in the process, and this is the type of Cosmic Marvel stuff I've personally been missing since DnA's Guardians ended.

 

And as controversial as Steve Rogers: Captain America has been, it's actually a damn good look into how much Steve's been altered. It's like a train wreck. And goddammit, it's been written well.

 

As for DC, the recent Button story arc and Superman regaining his pre-New 52 history have been really, really good reads.

 

Marvel's gonna try the Legacy thing with Generations. I HOPE it leads to more good titles, because lord knows they need more of those these days. I was all for Amadeus Cho as the Hulk, but they didn't need Bruce dead. Same with Tony (well, he's comatose, but STILL), Thor, Cap being Evil, Wolverine encased in Adamantium and suffocating...at lest Peter Parker and Miles Morales coexist. As do Richard Rider and Nova. And Carol and Kamala. Marvel has a lot to learn about Legacy characters, but I hope they're not following DC's example.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:12 PM

I did like how briefly before New 52, Jay, Barry and Wally were all active as the Flash.

Likewise in the late 90's-early 2000's Justice League where Wally was the middleman between the senior members and the newbies. Like how he could talk to Superman about the League's future then the next panel gets into a "last one's a rotten egg" race with Kyle

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:26 AM

I guess this falls into MUH FLASH/NOT MUH FLASH territory, but...both Marvel and DC should consider their audience. Most people who are into comics these days grew up reading 90's and early 00's comics.

But they're not. They want the new, casual readers and they're not really buying their new, hip comics.

I'd probably look at what people actually want instead of forcing what a small section of fans (who probably don't even read comics) want.


Here's the problem with that. The "Most people/actual audience/old school fan" you are talking about is mostly a tiny little handful of middle age guys. It's too small a number to support the comic book industry any more and it's a number that's absolutely shrinking every year.

The industry absolutely and absolutely desperately needs those "casual fans who probably don't read comics" to start reading and kids too. If those don't happen the industry could be dead or dwindled to bookstore tpbs in our lifetime or shortly after.

I agree that good stories are a key thing you want but let's face it, Good stories were generally NOT what comics had going for them when they were a growing, suceeding or healthy industry. They were absolutely disposable junk. But they were fun, and bright, eminently CHEAP AND ACCESSIBLE, inspiring, exciting, disposable junk. You can judge by my caps the two I think they have lost that have hurt them the most.

The big two have absolutely not captured the new/casual/non-90s/00s audience they need as well as they need but giving up and running back to the shrinking old reader base isn't gonna put them in good shape either. We're aging/pricing out or dying off too fast and that's not gonna stop. Things like Squirrel Girl and Hell Cat, Moon Girl or the Unstoppable Wasp and I don't know Gotham Academy on DC's side that have strong appeal outside the main old man audience are absolutely a good necessary idea. They absolutely need that audience as much as they need us old guys.

-ZacWilliam, which is a bit off course from what the thread was started to talk about but kinda needed pointing out. There's a lot of things the industry could absolutely be doing different/better that could maybe save it, but playing solely to their small and shrinking base (even though I'm absolutely that base) isn't gonna do it.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 11:41 AM

Entitled Fanboys insisting that the "good one" from when they were 12 be restored.  Especially when the entitled fanboys fixated on the comics of their youth ended up in editorial.  Undo Peter Parker's marriage.  Bring back every retired character and get rid of their replacements.  Etc.

 

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

This is hardly a thing endemic to DC. In fact, I think the way they handled the Lanterns and Flashes are better as mantles to be passed down and with the originals taking on proteges and at points sharing the name. At least pre new 52 but it looks like they're bringing that back so IDK.

I don't see what the ignorance and/or apathy of random people on the street has to do with anything. In fact it's probably worse for ehat you're trying to argue since if anything, they'll only know the most prominent or recent holder of the title, hence Superman is Clark Kent, Green Lantern was John Stuart except for when he was Ryan Reynolds in bodypaint and the Flash is Barry Allen since that's what the current TV show says


What im saying is there was never really a reason for Hal Jordan or Barry Allen to come back.

 

I don't know, I think the simple fact that their return helped streamline some of history and bring forth the Spectrum of Light that led to Darkest Night was a justifiable reason.

 

The return of Hal Jordan is actually what got me back into reading comics. I hold no bias towards him. In fact, I prefer almost all the other lanterns over him, but his return jump started a string of stories that were pretty awesome.

 

Even then, the whole 'coming back to life' thing was covered in Darkest Night / Brightest Day. At least they addressed it and provided an in-universe reason.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 04:01 PM

Hal's return fortunately actually helped bring the others relevant as well outside of Alan Scott. Even after the start of the New 52 we continued with Kyle, Guy, and John and actually swelled the ranks with Simon and Jessica.

But as said Barry's Return did eventually shelve the majority of the Flash family for the majority of comics since Flashpoint. And similarly portions of the Bat family have been out of commission since but it was an odd mix since the majority of Robins were kept in form but the Batgirls were all shelved in favor of Barbra coming back.

Marvel on the other hand has been odd mixes. For a time we had a team of Hulks and now we only have Amadeus running around active. Peter was usually only sharing the Spider mantle with a Spider-Girl or Woman and Venom, but now there's a nest of spiders. Tony has been back and forth usually only sharing his tech with Rhodes, but now we have Pepper, Riri, and oddly Doom wearing the Iron Mantle in the last decade. Marvel just has always had a back and forth relationship with Legacy. Danny Ketch was Ghost Rider for a good portion of the 90's but eventually got booted back for Johnny only for him later to get replaced by Robbie now.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:14 PM

Don;t mind who it is really but car Ghost Rider just isn't the same.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 11:39 AM

What about Giant Mining Bucketwheel Excavator Ghost Rider?
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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:35 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:38 PM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.

Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 07:44 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:26 PM

Given the alien weapon armor thing, he's going to be more interesting as a fighting game character than Ted Kord and is more likely to appeal to children.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:37 PM

I sorta wondered before why DC wanted modern Blue Beetle to be a thing. I knew he existed in the comics but then he was in the first episode of Batman Brave and the Bold, appeared in Smallville, had the villains of Young Justice s2 be his, a playable character in Injustice 2... He's really just DC's answer to Spider-Man (kid given great power and responsibility) but Hispanic. Was he created to fulfill a mandate of diversity? I think Marvel came up with Reptyl (also Hispanic) for Superhero Squad around the same time?

Probably because the original Blue Beetle wasnt that popular so they decided to do something with the legacy.

Hes pretty differeent from Spider-Man, the only thing they have in common is being young heroes with a bug motif.

I dont know where the mandate for diversity thing came from, thats a pretty weird comment.

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 11:06 AM

It seems to me that bringing back the originals is more about bringing the comics in line with TV and the movies, which have a bigger presence/audience at this point.
Marvel and DC want newbies to be able to easily find the same characters they see on the big screen.


Except this happened before the movies were a thing

Well Marvel tried the Ultimate Universe and DC had the New 52 to create new jumping on points for new readers, but it seems like people just want more simplified back-to-basics stories (i.e., an encyclopedic knowledge of the universe isn't needed to really appreciate the stories) with the original characters instead of new versions of them.

So, they had to each reboot again. Marvel killed off the Ultimate Universe, while DC "undid" the New 52 with Rebirth.

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