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@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 05:07 PM)

Cheers pal.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2020 - 04:42 PM)

Welcome aboard!

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 04:38 PM)

Hey, new to the boards

@  RichardT1977 : (20 September 2020 - 02:29 PM)

I had an idea for a Spiral Zone/Go-Busters crossover fanfic...

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Yeah I think at that point Lost Light is just the '86 movie without the soundtrack.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 September 2020 - 02:28 AM)

So, exctly what Triangleman just said.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 12:36 AM)

A few of the same characters.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 12:07 AM)

Now having actually read Galaxies #10, I don't actually see what it has in common with Lost Light at all besides featuring Ultra Magnus, Chromedome, and a spaceship.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 05:33 PM)

So, it's exactly like Lost Light, then.

@  Bass X0 : (16 September 2020 - 01:52 PM)

What if Lost Light was stripped bare of its charm and humor? Galaxies #10 is the answer.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 01:49 PM)

I didn't mean "*exactly* 15 years ago and no other time."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 September 2020 - 12:27 AM)

I mean, the comment was about a linewide gimmick of 15 years ago, not a gimmick only present in a minority of toys from that year.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:14 AM)

I'd like a western take on the UT for it's twentieth, like a annual CG or anime movie on Netflix that is a condensed retelling similar to the film Macross/Robotech: Do You Remember Love.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:11 AM)

Giant Planet had them, Energon had a few. I've been disappointed in Siege for not having something for the Micromasters, Earthrise has with the base bots but they've been wasted here.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 September 2020 - 10:47 PM)

Wasn't 15 years ago Cyber Keys rather than Minicons?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 September 2020 - 09:38 PM)

By and large, even the worst Minicons have some unique engineering or design elements. The nostalgia factor aside, Micromasters got pretty samey after you got several, especially the "proper" 89 series.


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:30 PM

This comes off of what I was saying in another thread about how perhaps it's time for Marvel to do a neo-Silver Age and take things back to basics in a way. 

 

It's just something I mulled over while at work, so it's far from complete. 

 

But here goes. 

 

Basically, the idea for this neo-Silver Age will be the "back to basics" approach. The idea will be to have the stories gradually build up on each other, such that each issue does contribute to something down the road, but if you miss one or two you won't have a hard time catching up. Main flagship characters like Spider-Man and The Avengers will be written with an eye to an "all-ages" audience, while select characters like Deadpool and Wolverine will be done by hand-picked teams selected for their ability to do "mature" without grimdark or 90s!extreme. Politics and social issues will be handled with wisdom, meaning sparingly and in measured doses; for example, a single well-written Luke Cage issue dealing with racism would have more of an impact than a series of slapdash issues. 

 

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Roster Breakdown:

 

1. Avengers (AKA "Avengers Blue"): In this take on things, the Avengers are a secondary arm of SHIELD; they have their autonomy and can act on threats as they feel necessary, but they ultimately report to SHIELD and SHIELD has the right to send them into the field as needs be. Captain America serves as the team leader, and regular members include War Machine, Falcon, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Hulk (for rehabilitation), Winter Soldier (ditto), Giant Man / Hank Pym, Wasp / Janet Van Dyne, Hawkeye, Tygra, and Ms. Marvel / Carol Danvers. 

 

2. "Avengers Red": SHIELD considers them an Avengers reserve element, but for the most part it's Iron Man and a loose coalition of "we help the helpless" heroes & up-and-comers he's trying to tutor. Aside from Iron Man, we have The Defenders, Ant Man / Scott, Yellowjacket, Spider-Man / Peter Parker, Iron Spider, She-Hulk, Iron Heart, Rescue, Squirrel Girl, and Ms. Marvel / (can't remember the current woman's name). Spidey, Iron-Man, and The Defenders would have their own titles, while the rest are together under the main "Avengers Red" title. (Miles Morales would be Spidey's bestie and one of the few people to know his secret; he helps Peter maintain his gear and later comes to be Oracle to Peter's Batman.)

 

3. X-Teams: Rather than keep all of the X-Men in a single location, Professor X has trusted several key leaders - such as Cyclops, Storm, and Colossus - to take charge of different groups of mutants, each team operating out of some sort of private school; X and Beast have the Xavier Institute, Cyclops has a facility near Chicago, Storm has a facility in California, and Colossus is up in Colorado. Each team has its own title. 

 

4. Loose Cannons: These are individuals like Thor, Wolverine, Black Panther, The Punisher, Deadpool, and Dr. Strange who can be game-changers when encouraged (or coerced) into fighting alongside one faction or another, but they have their reasons for being lone wolves. IE, Thor is splitting his time between realms, Wolverine is constantly being bugged by both Alpha Flight and the X-Men, Deadpool is Deadpool, et cetra. Most of these characters would have their own titles, with many of those titles being aimed at "mature" audiences. 

 

5. Guardians: Star-Lord's team will be the Guardians of the Galaxy, while Star Hawk leads the Galactic Guardians. Yandu is with the latter; in this incarnation, he's a Captain Harlock type who leads a crew of penitent space pirates, keeping him a little more in line with the movies. 

 

6. Et cetra: Of course, we'd have Alpha Flight, Excalibur (under Captain Britain), The Fantastic Four, and a few other groups in the background, with whatever characters I couldn't bring to mind filtering in and out as well. A few will have their own titles, while others will be supporting characters for others. 

 

Thoughts?



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Posted 23 May 2017 - 02:09 AM

I get the appeal of the "back to basics" approach, but I fear it's exactly the sort of new-reader-friendly thing that's repeatedly proven not to be a great seller. Obviously I'm generalising, but I think the current readership as a whole largely considers done-in-ones and the like to be too simplistic and juvenile. Which is stupid, but I think that's where the industry has taken us and I think a lot of readers would still demand a trade-sized arc with numbered chapters and an endless stream of soapy cliffhangers.

As for your example of addressing complex issues in a single... issue... well, that's tricky. It's hard to do that effectively, and easy to end up with something cheesy and cramped. I think the solution when dealing with social issues like this is probably more about just making sure your book is good, and avoiding both slapdashery and twenty page PSAs that don't have room to do the issue justice. Which obviously isn't necessarily that easy.

I'm not sure that BAU books need a line-wide retooling, there's plenty of good stuff happening there, but it's very, very true that Marvel and DC could sure stand to rethink how they handle their big events. Call me old (I'm old) but I'd love to see a return to events that are confined to the annuals of a handful of books (an Evolutionary War kind of deal, probably not quite as big as Atlantis Attacks - as much as those sexy square-bound Atlantis Attacks annuals are kind of still my idea of the perfect event, because again, I'm old). You don't need to make every crossover a world-shattering spectacular that unfolds in ten different minis AND changes the trade dress of every single title for six months.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:38 AM

Wow, talk about rude....

 

But I can't say that something like this is likely to happen on a large scale anytime soon. Sure I can see them testing the waters like they have before in years past but currently that niche is being filled by the Cartoon adaption comics from Marvel. While a reboot isn't out of the question ever, and lord knows with how convoluted Marvel has gotten in recent years people have mostly stuck with the current continuity from the 616 or whatever it is now past Secret Wars (III). Besides we've tried the reboot angle before with Heroes Reborn, the Ultimate Comics and others I'm probably forgetting. It may work for some time but it tends to fizzle out. 

 

I do think that they should make more comics targeted at younger audiences but not at the expense of the current readers. It's not easy to pass off a normal Marvel or DC comic to someone under ten and expect them to comprehend everything in this era. There are just so few comics from the big 2 that are looking to anyone below the pre teen demo. Of course it doesn't help that access to comics has become harder and slightly easier at the same time. Physically it's not easy to find a comic in a normal store these days. Sure Archie still has a presence most of the time in supermarkets, but book stores are becoming few and far between and not every community has a nearby specialty comic shop. Walmart will often have Bundles of comics recently or trades of characters with movie on the way, but normally that's it for the big two. Sure it's easy to go on a device and download them but that isn't always easy for the under 10 crowd either.

 

I could go on a while more but it's late and my  eyes are slowly drooping..


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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:39 AM

Marvel is about to do a back-to-basics relaunch, on the heels of the success of DC's Rebirth line. That means the return of classic characters in recognisable form. It also means a hard tonal shift for the MU after the heavily political Secret Empire. While not quite as far as single issues, it will be a radical shake-up for how arcs are looked at, if Rebirth is used as the model.

So maybe before you try and put forward ways Marvel can 'improve', you take a minute to look at what they're actually doing first? That way you can provide us an informed and useful opinion instead of just mindless fanfic. Your post is largely bereft of content due to your ignorance of Generations/Legacy, leaving us with just your fanfic to discuss. I'm not keen on seriously discussing someone's fanfic, let alone the 240th time you've coached us to.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 12:32 PM

Truthfully what do we know of Generations other than new version of character meets old versions. And even so I don't believe Marvel is going to scrap everything going on afterwards like rebirth. If anything we'll probably get "all new all different we really mean it this time Marvel" and it will be just another jumping on point while awkwardly returning to old numberings.

Admittedly I get a bit frustrated with FI and his fanfic threads too. But all I see is people jumping on him for trying to see something he wants to see. So far I have no real issue with this one. Frankly he's not wrong in ways. Sure he's putting his own spin on it and how's that anything different than all of us wishing to see things our own way. He just usually thinks and expresses more than most of us. Why we have to act nasty to him about it is baffling me. Not everyone keeps track of what the comics have coming ahead of time. You don't like his stuff move along or politely mention what efforts are happening. I'm getting frustrated with the hostility on here lately and while I'm not always keen on seeing FI insert another fanfic into a ongoing thread, this was his thread and if you don't like what you see you can move on. There's an ignore function here I'm sure you are aware. You have every right to use it.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 06:01 PM

We know quite a bit about the shape of the upcoming MU thanks to things like a Retailers Summit and resulting news, and even just the Legacy oneshot articles told quite a lot: http://nerdist.com/m...america-chavez/

Marvel is bringing back classic characters in recognisable costumes, with a smattering of the new characters who've taken off, in lighter stories, less political for now, with old numbering, and even a return of things like FOOM (it doesn't get much more classic than that). They want the books to be recognisable again, as they put it. You can see how close it is to what FI listed. It's like if a longtime member in TFD started a thread proclaiming their 'Fix For Hasbro The Transformers Toys', and it turned out to be 4 paragraphs culminating in the brand-saving idea from God of Transformers whose heads were also miniature Transformers. Taadaa! How brilliant, right? No, that's on the hugging shelves right now. Well, same thing here. Criticism requires at least a cursory knowledge of that which you criticise.

As for frustration and fanfic, sorry but you're projecting. My comment was stated without prejudice, and was simply pointing out that seeing his post was now devoid of other content, it was just left with the fanfic, and because of him knowing that fanfic is not allowed on these boards, he is someone who finds excuses to post it under various poorly veiled guises as often as possible. That's just a fact. I choose not to engage on it, as I have no desire to discuss anyone's fanfic. No frustration, just a statement of fact.

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:02 PM

 

Politics and social issues will be handled with wisdom, meaning sparingly and in measured doses; for example, a single well-written Luke Cage issue dealing with racism would have more of an impact than a series of slapdash issues.

 

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:11 PM

A return to original numbering?! 

 

That fixes like 80% of my complaints about the industry today. That is so great. I get that everyone wants to stop new readers being intimidated by high numbers, but I think that's less of a roadblock to new readers than the endless confusion caused by the fact that every single book is rebooted at least once every eighteen months and you never know which volume you're looking at. Remember when you used to be able to put a new writer on a book without relaunching a new #1? 

 

And you lose so much history. As a kid I found those high numbers exciting. You know a lot's been going on and dipping into that deep, storied universe was such a thrill. 


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:21 PM

I wish they weren't returning to the original numbers.

But it reflects the unfortunate reality of comics (in my eyes) of trying something new and then returning to the status quo and then doing the cycle all over again.

Unless your name is Bendis or Snyder super long comic runs arent a thing any more, si whats the point?

Just because it feels good to you that its ties into your past? Thats the problem with comics in a nutshell.

I really wish comics were more like the manga industry and stories had a finite ending but thats never going to happen, especiallt with the movie blow up.

I was reading new issues of the teen titans and for a comic thats supposed to about new super heroes, I for ONCE wish they would stop bringing in old members who should be grown and retreading trigon and Deathstroke.

I know, it seems like I fell out of love with comics but i think Secret Empire is the best event Marvel had had in a while.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 04:48 PM

I don't think the manga industry in general is a great example of finite stories. There are certainly interesting comparisons to be made -- most manga series are the creation of one artist or team whereas the vast majority of Big Two comics are work for hire gigs with huge creative turnover, so apart from anything else the business models are largely apples and oranges. A manga series driven by one or two creators (albeit with editorial oversight and reporting to the magazine it runs in, etc) is just nothing like Marvel/DC where any given creative team is a short-term handler for characters they don't own and where you have six layers of editorial and management staff leaning on you all the time and policing your decisions because they have a shared universe to run. 

 

But you look at popular manga... you have stuff like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach that run for fifteen years or more -- is a decade and a half of serialisation really "finite"? One Piece has been running for two decades and is still going. Or you have stuff like Hunter X Hunter which runs for almost twenty years, though sporadically later in its life, and may never be finished. In any case, I suspect it's probably fair to say that most manga series, like most US comics, run until the audience atrophies or the creators lose interest. Or, because again most manga won't change hands the way US books change creative teams, the creator gets old or sick or dead and the series ends mid-arc.

 

As for the numbering, even as an adult it's sometimes hard to be confident which volume you're looking at if you're trying to track down back issues or fill a gap. That's a huge challenge for kids. 


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:19 PM

I don't think the manga industry in general is a great example of finite stories. There are certainly interesting comparisons to be made -- most manga series are the creation of one artist or team whereas the vast majority of Big Two comics are work for hire gigs with huge creative turnover, so apart from anything else the business models are largely apples and oranges. A manga series driven by one or two creators (albeit with editorial oversight and reporting to the magazine it runs in, etc) is just nothing like Marvel/DC where any given creative team is a short-term handler for characters they don't own and where you have six layers of editorial and management staff leaning on you all the time and policing your decisions because they have a shared universe to run. 
 
But you look at popular manga... you have stuff like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach that run for fifteen years or more -- is a decade and a half of serialisation really "finite"? One Piece has been running for two decades and is still going. Or you have stuff like Hunter X Hunter which runs for almost twenty years, though sporadically later in its life, and may never be finished. In any case, I suspect it's probably fair to say that most manga series, like most US comics, run until the audience atrophies or the creators lose interest. Or, because again most manga won't change hands the way US books change creative teams, the creator gets old or sick or dead and the series ends mid-arc.
 
As for the numbering, even as an adult it's sometimes hard to be confident which volume you're looking at if you're trying to track down back issues or fill a gap. That's a huge challenge for kids. 


The runs are so short now and the status quos for the books are changing so quickly that its almost like youre reading a different book anyway.

And with manga is that most, or just the few series that get that big? Im seriously asking.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:28 PM

I think it's very common, but I don't know exactly how it would break down. Inevitably shorter series would be in the majority, but for a whole range of reasons. 


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 06:53 PM

Unless your name is Bendis or Snyder super long comic runs arent a thing any more, si whats the point?
Just because it feels good to you that its ties into your past? Thats the problem with comics in a nutshell.


Super-long runs have always been the exception in American comics. Always. From the Golden Age to the present, it's always been something of a rarity. People tend to think it was more common in certain eras than it really was, for various reasons, but it's always been a bit of a rarity. I think the 80's did give us a few more examples, but even then, I don't know if it's as statistically significant as people tend to make out. It's probably close to proportionate considering the explosion in the number of titles being published each month, and the publisher on every corner.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:09 PM

 

I don't think the manga industry in general is a great example of finite stories. There are certainly interesting comparisons to be made -- most manga series are the creation of one artist or team whereas the vast majority of Big Two comics are work for hire gigs with huge creative turnover, so apart from anything else the business models are largely apples and oranges. A manga series driven by one or two creators (albeit with editorial oversight and reporting to the magazine it runs in, etc) is just nothing like Marvel/DC where any given creative team is a short-term handler for characters they don't own and where you have six layers of editorial and management staff leaning on you all the time and policing your decisions because they have a shared universe to run. 
 
But you look at popular manga... you have stuff like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach that run for fifteen years or more -- is a decade and a half of serialisation really "finite"? One Piece has been running for two decades and is still going. Or you have stuff like Hunter X Hunter which runs for almost twenty years, though sporadically later in its life, and may never be finished. In any case, I suspect it's probably fair to say that most manga series, like most US comics, run until the audience atrophies or the creators lose interest. Or, because again most manga won't change hands the way US books change creative teams, the creator gets old or sick or dead and the series ends mid-arc.
 
As for the numbering, even as an adult it's sometimes hard to be confident which volume you're looking at if you're trying to track down back issues or fill a gap. That's a huge challenge for kids. 


The runs are so short now and the status quos for the books are changing so quickly that its almost like youre reading a different book anyway.

And with manga is that most, or just the few series that get that big? Im seriously asking.

 

 

A minority of series get that long, but it depends on genre, length and content. Action and adventure stuff on average lasts the shortest, so you have series that barely make it to 20 chapters before cancellation alongside really long, popular epics. Comedy and romance are kind of the same bag. Of course, even popular series tend to end in the early hundreds because of author fatigue, Super-long stuff like One Piece is the exception not the rule.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:13 AM

Politics and social issues will be handled with wisdom, meaning sparingly and in measured doses; for example, a single well-written Luke Cage issue dealing with racism would have more of an impact than a series of slapdash issues.

 
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It got a discussion going, didn't it?

#16 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 01:11 AM

Saying "one well-written issue is better than multiple slapdash ones" with no defining criteria is super unhelpful, and it makes me wonder if you even know what either means, or if you assume that a single issue story will certainly be well-written and can't possibly end up slapdash.

That, and suggesting they try to resolve a subject within single issue stories sounds like a horrendously oversimplified view of social issues.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 25 May 2017 - 01:21 AM.


#17 Spark

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:26 PM

That, and suggesting they try to resolve a subject within single issue stories sounds like a horrendously oversimplified view of social issues.

That in context of Luke Cage is more than likely what Spectre's talking about here.  Racism would be an issue constantly boiling in the background of a ex-gang member superhero that came from Harlem having to work with the likes of ultra rich white dude Tony Stark and universally beloved (current totally-not-a-Nazi) white dude Steve Rogers, not "THIS ISSUE!  RACISM ENDS!"


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 02:08 PM

That, and suggesting they try to resolve a subject within single issue stories sounds like a horrendously oversimplified view of social issues.

That in context of Luke Cage is more than likely what Spectre's talking about here.  Racism would be an issue constantly boiling in the background of a ex-gang member superhero that came from Harlem having to work with the likes of ultra rich white dude Tony Stark and universally beloved (current totally-not-a-Nazi) white dude Steve Rogers, not "THIS ISSUE!  RACISM ENDS!"

I mean, people who are going to get offended arent going to read Luke Cage anyway. Or any other books starring a black lead, which is why we dont have them.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:52 PM

That, and suggesting they try to resolve a subject within single issue stories sounds like a horrendously oversimplified view of social issues.

That in context of Luke Cage is more than likely what Spectre's talking about here.  Racism would be an issue constantly boiling in the background of a ex-gang member superhero that came from Harlem having to work with the likes of ultra rich white dude Tony Stark and universally beloved (current totally-not-a-Nazi) white dude Steve Rogers, not "THIS ISSUE!  RACISM ENDS!"

I mean, people who are going to get offended arent going to read Luke Cage anyway. Or any other books starring a black lead, which is why we dont have them.

... Wow. BRB, attempting to contact an alien civilisation in a search for appropriate words...

Edited by Cat, 26 May 2017 - 03:55 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

 

That, and suggesting they try to resolve a subject within single issue stories sounds like a horrendously oversimplified view of social issues.

That in context of Luke Cage is more than likely what Spectre's talking about here.  Racism would be an issue constantly boiling in the background of a ex-gang member superhero that came from Harlem having to work with the likes of ultra rich white dude Tony Stark and universally beloved (current totally-not-a-Nazi) white dude Steve Rogers, not "THIS ISSUE!  RACISM ENDS!"

 

 

 

This, but so much more. 

 

I get so hugging tired of this idea that "social issues and politics" aren't entrenched in every moment of our lives. Racism isn't a "social issue" that gets brought up in measured doses. Were Luke Cage a real person, he would deal with racism constantly. In every moment of his life. It is a foundational element to the character's existence and the world he inhabits. 

 

As a white boy from Texas, you don't get to decide when it's appropriate to talk about racism and when it should be swept under the rug to avoid offending your privileged sensibilities. Among so many media fandoms, there's this pervasive idea that stories that reflect ourselves should be absent the things that drive us and shape our world. It's often pushed by bigots who see anything that challenges their way of life to be "political" -- a position afforded only to the privileged who believe their lifestyle to be "normal" and that all others are abnormal, or indeed immoral.  

 

It is an idea that is as childish as it is ridiculous. 


Edited by Spectre, 06 June 2017 - 01:45 PM.




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