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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (25 January 2020 - 11:17 PM)

Twitter's revamp is so dumb. Nowadays, even when I am logged out of my account, right-clicking an image on Google Chrome won't let me access a URL to easily get the image's full size. That functionality was so useful!

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 January 2020 - 10:01 PM)

But when was the last time you saw a major retailer (since TRU) actually allot shelf space for a Transformers Titan? Or the Vintage Collection Poe X-Wing? There's clearly some sort of disparity between "girls" and "boys" toys that give companies justification to create $100+ items in the girls segment in FAR greater frequency than in boys.

@  fourteenwings : (25 January 2020 - 12:56 AM)

"how expensive they were" Tell that to L.O.L. O.M.G. and the $129 Amazing Surprise (I mean I guess when it comes to the toy aisle Power Rangers isn't a juggernaut like L.O.L.)

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:18 PM)

I think the big reason we didn't see the actual combining Zords at retail was because of how expensive they were. It would cost $100 to get enough of them to make a Megazord, $160+ if you want the Ultrazord. Or parents could just get the dang Ultrazord for $40 even if it didn't combine.

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Because they are "kids toys" not "collector toys"

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 03:27 PM)

1) I don't have Target. 2) can't go into my walmart. I'm surprised Hasbro won't sell the toys on Pulse

@  Bass X0 : (24 January 2020 - 02:43 PM)

I dreamt my phone was ringing and woke up to answer it.

@  Sabrblade : (24 January 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Lightning Collection figures, the smaller normal-sized Beast Morphers Ranger/enemy/Beast-Bot figures, the role-play morpher and weapon toys, and the simplistic non-combining megazord toys have all been very easy to find at various Targets and Walmarts. It's only been the actual combining Beast Morphers zord toys (which are bizarrely being sold individually this time) that have been hard to find in stores.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Thought I do question Hasbro's almost reluctance to have the toys available anywhere.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 01:44 PM)

i've been trying to sell mine for weeks...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I hadn't opened mine yet, but from what I've seen, the general agreement is that the Beast Morpher zords are much better than Bandais.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

I'm guessing if they're going to do anything on the level of Legacy Zords, it's being discussed behind NDAs at Toy Fair

@  Rodimus Supreme : (24 January 2020 - 10:38 AM)

Lightning Collection is good, and they're taking their sweet time on making Zords that are better than Bandai's Zords.

@  ThunderWear : (24 January 2020 - 10:34 AM)

So, what's the general PR fandom consensus of the Hasbro run of PR so far? I pretty much stepped out of the community after I got the Bandai Legacy zords I wanted.

@  Paladin : (24 January 2020 - 08:46 AM)

that would require someone to BUY Hasbro PR toys...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 07:17 AM)

Well hopefully see some cool PR stuff. Wish BBTS sold Hasbro PR toys.

@  fourteenwings : (24 January 2020 - 07:01 AM)

February 22nd through 25th, I feel like it was earlier last year...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (24 January 2020 - 06:32 AM)

When is NY TF?

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:43 PM)

I don't know about Hasbro's general policy but I know everybody was on lockdown for Frozen II, which included both LEGO and Hasbro. Plus, I'm guessing everybody is holding off PR for NY Toy Fair? Overall, it's best to remember that Toy Fairs are for buyers, not fans.

@  fourteenwings : (23 January 2020 - 11:41 PM)

LEGO has been doing this for ages, including sending cease and desists when outlets get leaked images.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:42 PM)

And then they ended up selling off the brand, so I guess I wasn't the only one.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:41 PM)

Last time a toy brand I followed tightened down on toy fair and all the invited guests posted glowing reviews of what they saw, I ended up being disappointed as heck.

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:34 PM)

JediNews UK basically said they got a walkthrough of Lego's showcase...but were legally bound to NOT talk about anything, much less take pics.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 10:24 PM)

I wondered why I had seen basically nothing newsworthy from the event

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 January 2020 - 10:14 PM)

Word is that Hasbro and Lego have their UK Toy Fair stuff on MAJOR lockdown. Full NDAs and everything.

@  ThunderWear : (23 January 2020 - 09:28 PM)

Seeing people say the $0.99 + $20 shipping item is cheaper than the $19.99 + free shipping item and getting tons of likes for it... I just don't know anymore.

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 09:11 PM)

if you havent already, y'all check your walmarts clearance aisle. i found siege six shot for $5. course, it could just be my walmart, but never hurts to look

@  Vexwing : (23 January 2020 - 07:20 PM)

Candlejack is going to need more ro

@  Patch : (23 January 2020 - 06:30 PM)

I thought you had to type out Candlejack's full name bef

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 02:46 PM)

I typed in the wrong tab.

@  Paladin : (23 January 2020 - 02:32 PM)

must've been the works of Candleja

@  Telly : (23 January 2020 - 02:06 PM)

looks like maximus wiped himself out mid-sentence

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 January 2020 - 08:42 AM)

Disregard this.

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 January 2020 - 06:58 PM)

Bold of you all to assume we won't wipe ourselves out in 50 years.

@  Benbot : (22 January 2020 - 04:27 PM)

There will be no UBI, people will just live in a ditch while they celebrate owning the libs.

@  Rycochet : (22 January 2020 - 03:24 PM)

In 50 years, retail will be dead because all stores are staffless fully automated operations controlled by Amazon. The UBI will be less than a fifth of what it actually costs to live after two decades of cuts and.a steadfast refusal to match inflation.

@  Maximus Ambus : (22 January 2020 - 02:55 PM)

In fifty years retail will be a thing of the past through robots, printers and Universal Basic Income.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (21 January 2020 - 11:16 AM)

Big retailers just don't want money anymore, so let's not give them any,

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:12 PM)

This place is a madhouse, feels like being cloned.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 January 2020 - 03:38 PM)

I took one step beyond the outer limits to the twilight zone.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 10:19 AM)

All retail is basically the same.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2020 - 10:00 AM)

Walmart just needs to go bankrupt already.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:19 AM)

They didn't put the 35th anniversary stuff back out until after new year. I'm no retail expert, but I feel like having stock on the shelf is better than the back. Especially toys at christmas time.

@  ThunderWear : (20 January 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Yeah, my local walmart took away the 35th anniversary endcap weeks before Christmas and left the Transformer section empty well past Christmas.

@  TheMightyMol... : (20 January 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Mine only has the 35th Anniversary Voyagers. A whole lot of them.

@  Telly : (19 January 2020 - 11:35 PM)

just be happy your walmart even stocks voyagers. mine doesnt

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 January 2020 - 08:53 PM)

Figures that Walmart finally restocks Studio Voyagers...with Wave ONE

@  ThunderWear : (19 January 2020 - 09:27 AM)

I snagged Rainmakers for half off.  They make me want jolly ranchers.

@  Trpodeca : (18 January 2020 - 04:21 PM)

I was using my account on another comptuer, and oddly it seemed to default to $US rather than converting it.

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 January 2020 - 02:02 PM)

You should be able to set eBay to display in your local currency, although personally I like to know the actual currency the item is listed in so I know if I need to account for forex fees or not


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 12:46 PM

This is without a doubt the biggest scandal we've seen involving an artist inserting 'subliminal' background messages into his art. This time it's direct messages of hate to non-Muslims, particularly Christians and Jews. The culprit is artist Ardian Syaf, and the comic is X-Men Gold #1. These are just some examples: Colossus is shown wearing a shirt with the text 'QS 5:51', as in Quran Surah (chapter) 5,verse 51, which references not taking Christians or Jews as allies or leaders (the artist, Ardian Syaf, is Indonesian, so the references were very much made with an Indonesian interpretation of the Quran in mind). Syaf also references hardline Muslim protests which took place in Indonesia, and on a splash page highlighting team leader Kitty Pryde he's put a store sign right next to her head, where a caption box might normally go. It's a stylised 'Jewelry' sign, with a spacious 'w' providing some separation to the eye of the first 3 letters. Subtle.

Later on in a baseball scene, it also appears that, due to suspicious placement and foreshortening, he's drawn Kitty getting smashed in the face by the baseball bat (note this isn't shown in the initial Bleeding Cool article).

Marvel's been on nothing but a downhill slide for me, and it's entirely of their own doing. This time though, I do genuinely feel for them, as there's simply never been an artist whose wanted to end his own career this badly, so how could they have predicted this? Since this came to light, and Marvel announced future printings would be altered, the book has moved to a sold out status at Diamond, as people try and get their hands on what they think will be a valuable curiousity: 'the really racist Marvel comic'. It seems this may be the only way Marvel can get a chart-topper these days (that isn't Star Wars). Pretty sad.

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 01:02 PM

The fact Marvel's stated they will be taking "disciplinary action" as opposed to "termination" speaks volumes here. Like they literally can't afford to let him go or something.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 01:47 PM

It's a tough political call. On one hand Syaf pushing his views in like this was some strong. But if they terminate him for his views it's a strike against Freedom of Speech move. But chances are they won't be using his services in the future much longer afterwards.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 02:09 PM


That's not how freedom of speech works. He was under contract to produce a certain thing for Marvel. If he inserted offensive political opinions in that work without Marvel's knowledge that's not exercising any protected freedom it's breaching his contract and his employers trust.

ZacWilliam, I would say it's pretty unlikely he'll work for Marvel or any big name western comic company again.
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Posted 09 April 2017 - 02:23 PM

Well I'm not wanting to argue the whole thing here but there's no doubt he just tanked his career in the western world.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:29 PM

I don't care to enter any big debate. But simple fact is that careers and reputations have been tanked for less. If Marvel wants to save face over this, they pretty much have to disavow being any part of this and distance themselves from this guy.

Not defending or condemning, but Mel Gibson and Micheal Richards both became pariahs for things said in the heat of the moment. What this guy did was premeditated. So yeah, if he has a job at Marvel for any amount of time after this, Marvel's going to look pretty bad.
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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:48 PM

Thread title was very worrying, I'm super happy to see that this wasn't something inserted in the book deliberately by the writer, or an error like that time Wolvie called Sabretooth a [bleep].

 

Artists put a heap of weird junk into their pages and one can't expect editors and writers to catch or question all of it. Colossus' shirt, though, looks to me like it obviously has some meaning that perhaps the editors should have shot out a quick email to clarify. So that's unfortunate. 

 

And perhaps this is all more innocent than it looks, though that seems unlikely. 


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:50 PM

It's a tough political call. On one hand Syaf pushing his views in like this was some strong. But if they terminate him for his views it's a strike against Freedom of Speech move. But chances are they won't be using his services in the future much longer afterwards.

 

Yeah; there's no "freedom of speech" about this. 

 

He inserted his own personal political and religious views into something without sanction, views that are so to the extreme of what is acceptable in North America that he's pretty much killed the title. His antics are going to cost Marvel dearly, and so they have all the right in the world to can him. 



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:50 PM

"Freedom of speech" means the government can't censor you.

It don't mean you can sneak religious hate speech into contracted work in a story-world based around protection, inclusion, and celebration of diversity and not have the commissioner throw out and replace your work for undercutting your themes and decide to not work with you anymore.

If they do keep him on I hope they publically appoint someone with specific training to comb through specifically his work to pick out any further hate speech, remove it, and post it on a Continuing Wall Of Shame.

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 05:57 PM

Thread title was very worrying, I'm super happy to see that this wasn't something inserted in the book deliberately by the writer, or an error like that time Wolvie called Sabretooth a [bleep].

 

Artists put a heap of weird junk into their pages and one can't expect editors and writers to catch or question all of it. Colossus' shirt, though, looks to me like it obviously has some meaning that perhaps the editors should have shot out a quick email to clarify. So that's unfortunate. 

 

And perhaps this is all more innocent than it looks, though that seems unlikely. 

If the artist simply threw in some in-jokes or nods to his soccer pals, it'd be one thing. 

 

If the writer had two characters sitting down to have a chat about an issue, that'd be another. 

 

But something like this is so blatant and so persistent throughout the issue that there's no "oops" about it. He knew what he was doing the entire time. 



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:03 PM

 

 

And perhaps this is all more innocent than it looks, though that seems unlikely. 

 

It isn't. Bleeding Cool has the pictures of social media of people bringing these to the artist's attention with remarks of acknowledgement.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 06:17 PM

Ehh.. Honestly I have no problem with it, even if I don't agree with the ones he's quoting. People enter bible verses and crap like that -ALL- the time. 



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 07:05 PM

I just wonder what's involved in the discussions he's apparently having with Marvel given that supposedly he thinks it's all above board and has offered an explanation supporting that ("he has sent an explanation for the numbers used in the comic to Marvel and is waiting for a reply"). I can't see that flying but we're not privy to those conversations and I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

Regardless of whether he can justify his actions to Marvel, the damage is done, they've taken a hit and they're out of pocket correcting future prints. So I don't think there's any chance of a happy ending for that business relationship. (Which is not to say there's no chance of an ending!)


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 08:45 PM

Yeah, I think Marvel need to cut their losses and get a new artist on there quick.


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:05 PM

This is the baseball bat image I mentioned, one of the few that is still open to debate.

 

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Considering everything else, I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I find the placement of the characters in the second panel suspicious, especially the way the bat is foreshortened perfectly, and somewhat unnaturally, so it 'strikes' Kitty's face. Surely as an artist your instinct would be to leave the character's faces visible? I believe it's also notable that elements of the panel look like they could be taken out and viewed on their own as a political cartoon completely as is, and they'd fit perfectly. You've got the German hitting the Jew in the face with a baseball bat. 

 

 

IMO it's every bit the message that this confirmed one is: 

 

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:05 PM



Ehh.. Honestly I have no problem with it, even if I don't agree with the ones he's quoting. People enter bible verses and crap like that -ALL- the time. 

The issue is what what he inserted. 

 

If it was just some random reference, I doubt most people would care. But the reference in question is something that a lot of folks are basically taking to mean "if this person isn't of the same religion you are, make sure they stay a slave class or you'll regret it." 



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:23 PM

Ehh.. Honestly I have no problem with it, even if I don't agree with the ones he's quoting. People enter bible verses and crap like that -ALL- the time. 

 

But the quotes are encouraging divisiveness and hate against others, particularly Christians and Jews. That's particularly galling for people because this is the X-Men, which is the industry bastion for promoting tolerance and inclusion of people of all kinds, regardless of colour, gender, sexual identity, whatever. If that's not the pinnacle of misguided attempt at inflammation of hate, it's tippy-topped off by the fact that the X-Men were created by two Jewish guys, and X-Men Gold itself is actually being written by a Jewish guy. So promoting barriers and hate on this book is particularly misguided, as by its very nature this book stands for tolerance itself. 


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Posted 09 April 2017 - 09:37 PM

Yeah, even if the argument "People put Bible verses in" was comparable, you don't often see people sliding in Levitical passages.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:03 PM

They should just can him and be done with it.  If this were a white artist who had inserted anti-Semitic or Islamophobic imagery or references in their work, would there even be a question of what to do with them?  I hope not.  There's enough divisiveness in our society as it is, we don't need more garbage like this.



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Posted 09 April 2017 - 10:07 PM

Wait, X-Men Gold is Marvel's biggest book now?

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