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@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

instead of blackjack, we have dice rolls in the RP and there was an actual card game in another thread.

@  Bass X0 : (28 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

They could start their own Beast Mayhem with Blackjack and Hookers.

@  MEDdMI : (28 April 2017 - 05:16 AM)

There's plenty of talented artists in Beast Mayhem! ....though we tend to draw things that can't be posted anyway. :doh

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

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#61 BScorpinok75

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 11:37 AM

I love CW...BUT...don't care much for TR as a whole...CW did alot of characters as combiners but you didn't have to go after them all...the gimmick could be overlooked...while TR is doing alot of characters as Titans/Titan Masters...that should not really be TMs...AND...the gimmicks a lot harder to ignore...if CW was counted alone I'd vote CW...as is I'm going with Classics...its what brought me back to the dance...



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 12:03 PM

I hated it when they made Powermasters of guys who shouldn't be Powermasters, like Optimus Prime.



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Posted 20 February 2017 - 02:11 PM

I hated it when they made Powermasters of guys who shouldn't be Powermasters, like Optimus Prime.

 

Hey wait a minute

 

Has Prime had a toy that represents every major gimmick from G1 at this point?

 

Combiner - CW

Headmaster - Titans Return

Targetmaster - Generations Legends (Roller)

Powermaster - G1

Pretender - Fun Publications

Action Master - G1

Micromaster - None? but he did turn into a Micromaster base in Return of Convoy

 

G1 had other gimmicks, but I think those were all the major ones


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 02:21 PM

Overload basically is Prime with the faceplate (more or less literally) filed off.  Even has the helmet and the stripe sculpted into the side.


Edited by Spark, 20 February 2017 - 02:22 PM.

Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

#65 Dracula

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 02:37 PM

Overload basically is Prime with the faceplate (more or less literally) filed off.  Even has the helmet and the stripe sculpted into the side.

 

It's true that I used Overload as a tiny Optimus Prime when I was a kid but that probably just gave him mental baggage


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 03:04 PM

 

Overload basically is Prime with the faceplate (more or less literally) filed off.  Even has the helmet and the stripe sculpted into the side.

 

It's true that I used Overload as a tiny Optimus Prime when I was a kid but that probably just gave him mental baggage

 

That oddly recessed face of his below the eyes when pretty much all the other Micromasters had nice facesculpts sort of implied to me that he was meant to be MM Optimus until late in the game.  Bonus points for suddenly being super Prime-y if you just swap the red and blue sprues that are already there.


Edited by Spark, 20 February 2017 - 03:04 PM.

Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 07:57 AM

I hated it when they made Powermasters of guys who shouldn't be Powermasters, like Optimus Prime.

 

There is a difference between 1 toy getting an upgraded figure with a new gimmick and several toys getting their best "Classics" update with an extraneous gimmick.

 

I'm not really against the TR figures of previous non-headmasters, but I do sometimes find myself wishing it sure would be cool if Galvatron and Scourge got remolded with intact heads with better head sculpts for the character and that stay attached and stow for var modes.



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:31 AM

I'm not against Headmasters of everyone, but you do bring up a good point. Plus var mode. :thumbsup


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:40 AM

Yeah, it really sucks that obscure characters like Galvatron and Scourge who have never gotten updated toys before and never will again were made into Headmasters for their only shot at updates.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:44 AM

When the TR versions are arguably their best upgrades so far, I can see some room for lamenting.

 

I mean... Yeah. They'll get done again (and again and again and again), but if your assessing only the toys that are out now, sure. You can comment about not liking the head gimmick on them. Why not?



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:54 AM

Yeah, it really sucks that obscure characters like Galvatron and Scourge who have never gotten updated toys before and never will again were made into Headmasters for their only shot at updates.

 

Watch the Strawman stuff. I mentioned "best "Classics" update", nothing about never get an update again. Though for some figures, like Triggerhappy, I don't expect they'll have many or any more shots at updates, at least not so "Classics" style.

 

So Galvatron and Scourge got updates now in 2016 and previously got updates in was it 2008 and 2011? So waiting 5 years or more for another update? I don't know about you, but personally I intend on my collection being some more "Classics" updates and some MPs but hopefully not actively collecting in another ~5-8 years. So these updates may not be the "never again", but they may be just such "in effect" for me.

 

Plus I think the Scourge mold particularly is a great update for Scourge *and* multiple Sweeps. I wouldn't want a "different" update, except for a possible remold with an intact head. He'd be great fun to have a main Scourge and several Sweeps with good looking modes and a quick transformation. Adding in transforming the little head men for a whole group of Sweeps would get a little annoying.

 

But like I did say: "I'm not really against the TR figures of previous non-headmasters". I can see the fun of TR, but I can also see the annoyance side of it. Is it so horrible to have mixed feelings and see both sides of a subjective personal taste issue?


Edited by sparkasylum, 21 February 2017 - 08:54 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:08 AM

Retooling Scourge for a normal head would require replacing about the entire torso since most of it seems to be two huge pieces.

And since you brought up not planning to still collect for however many years until the next Scourge and Galvatron update, the only late G1 Optimuses being the Powermaster and Action Master (besides a European reissue of the original) sounds like it would've been unpleasant if anyone at the time cared like this, given that it was before "normal" updates were a guaranteed thing.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 21 February 2017 - 09:10 AM.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:29 AM

I mean yes I can see how it might be annoying to have to transform an army of heads when you transform your army of Scourges, but that information exists in the shadow of me being Stakeout Guy so my ability to sympathize is limited.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:56 AM

 

I hated it when they made Powermasters of guys who shouldn't be Powermasters, like Optimus Prime.

 

There is a difference between 1 toy getting an upgraded figure with a new gimmick and several toys getting their best "Classics" update with an extraneous gimmick.

 

 I agree, and that difference is "it happened when you were a kid".



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:13 PM

 

 

I hated it when they made Powermasters of guys who shouldn't be Powermasters, like Optimus Prime.

 

There is a difference between 1 toy getting an upgraded figure with a new gimmick and several toys getting their best "Classics" update with an extraneous gimmick.

 

 I agree, and that difference is "it happened when you were a kid".

 

 

It happened a limited number of times over the course of years vs. it's happening 40 times in one year.

 

Again, I'm not on one side or the other. I can see pros and cons on both sides, I can see nuances of differences. I'm fine and dandy with PMOP.

 

Or, if the only thing you understand is condescending snark, then: "Yes, TR Galvatron's head is complete perfection and it should never dared be dreamed of to remold him with a normal head."



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:18 PM

vs. it's happening 40 times in one year.


Did you forget Action Masters?

Which was, for a number of returning characters the only option at the time.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:21 PM

Retooling Scourge for a normal head would require replacing about the entire torso since most of it seems to be two huge pieces.

And since you brought up not planning to still collect for however many years until the next Scourge and Galvatron update, the only late G1 Optimuses being the Powermaster and Action Master (besides a European reissue of the original) sounds like it would've been unpleasant if anyone at the time cared like this, given that it was before "normal" updates were a guaranteed thing.

 

I'm not sure the points here. Yep, retooling Scourge would require changing the torso. And that's about it. Seems like you're trying to say that would be difficult, seems to me it'd be a relatively easy remold, especially compared to some of the remolds we've seen lately. Notably the first remold of Scourge: High Brow.

 

I guess so....? Again, not sure of exactly the point you're making. "Cared like this" might be implying more care than there is. I'm just saying I can see how it'd be nice to not have the Titanmaster feature on everything that's gotten it. But PM and AM Prime being the late G1 updates for original Prime actually were unpleasant in a way for me. I did enjoy PMOP quite a lot, but I did still want a "real" original G1 OP. And there's a much longer story there, but I don't care enough to continue this post and go on that tangent.


 

vs. it's happening 40 times in one year.


Did you forget Action Masters?

Which was, for a number of returning characters the only option at the time.

 

 

Yes, I did. Are you holding up Actionmasters as a popular, great selling epitome of Transformers?

 

Also, perhaps correct my count, but for US actionmasters there were 14 updated characters? Quite far from 40! ;)


Edited by sparkasylum, 21 February 2017 - 12:23 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 12:27 PM

I mean, changing the entire torso sounds like way more than any company would bother when the result would be the same character in a similar, given that not even Taktom have indicated they'd try. Even doing an entire new mold later on sounds more likely.
 

Regarding Action Masters, just mentioning those since the topic of earlier updates was brought up, a lot of it looks like a worse situation than we have now.

Edited by NotVeryKnightly, 21 February 2017 - 12:37 PM.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 01:18 PM

Gosh I can't wait to hear the arguments about whatever line-wide gimmick Power of the Primes will give us.

 

Anyway I'll be over here like

 

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